I'd take exception to your statement that gays were "stupid" to spread HIV/ AIDS. Most gay people who have died from complications associated with an HIV// AIDS infection contracted the virus long before the mechanism of transmission was understood. Gay people having sex is no more "stupid" than heterosexual people having sex, as far as I can tell.
I'd like to see some evidence that HIV/ AIDs patients and drug users are swamping your health system. What are the annual costs of treating citizens with AIDS relative to say the treatment of citizens with cancers, heart disease, and so on? I'd like some recent data, please.
As for smoking, my understanding is that taxes on tobacco produce a rather large income for governments. Whether it is equivalent to the cost of actually treating patients for smoking related illness I am not sure.
What about Greed? That would seem a big one to me. Eye of the needle... camels... that sort of stuff.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
yes, it's a bit scary.Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
If you're an Aussie' like in your profile, don't worry, they're coming to meet you soon
Abortion debate flares in Australia
so is it really true that there are "two americas"? the secular humanists, and the theocrats?
No, that is a very simplistic perspective. Liberals just love that perspective because it divides all of us into two groups and gives them something to whine about. The truth is that even in the churches in the south, you ask two people and you will get two answers. The topic has gotten liberal attention lately because they hate Bush and his honesty has given them this somewhat dubious handle to work with. They tried to prove that he did cocaine and various other things and never could. They even enlisted Larry Flynt (who will pay a liberals way to Canada, by the way!) to get some dirt on him in the 2000 election. He offered an award for any woman other than his wife who could prove that she had slept with him outside marriage. He failed too. They finally had to find something he does and make it evil. He admits to being a Christian, so that is their target these days. This thread is simply another bash Bush thread under guise of an attack on Christians. The broader issue that they go after is the pro-lifers. I consider both sides of that debate as a little outside the realm of reality as well. Memorise this: Female liberals have one issue and that is abortion rights. Male liberals have one issue and that is drug legalization. Any appearance beyond that is simply fog and spin.
I hardly think liberals invented this so-called meme; it was Rove's stated strategy.
Explain yourself.
Did Karl Rove not have a plan of "getting out the vote" (what a dumb phrase) among the 4 million evangelical xian suckers who did not vote in 2000?
Clearly the 'hateful' evangelicals ARE the bad guys, and something definitely has to be done about them. But first, we need to gather information on these creatures. I think a field trip is going to be necessary.
Democrats are trying to tell themselves that in order to deny that the voters just didn't like their candidate. In actuality, the base of people that voted for Bush was very diversified much like America is. More than half the voters voted for Bush. That included the northeast, Midwest, west, north central, southwest, south central and southeast. Evangelicals are mostly centered in only one of those regions and every preacher in America wishes he had that many church members attending every Sunday.
Just to take one of your fake issues in context:
--the Iraq fiasco -- 100,000 civilians dead
How many people has HIV/AIDs killed in the world since Gays propagated it in 1983?
My friend, I will answer that when you provide me with the data proving your assertion that HIV/AIDS patients are "swamping" the US health system.
Surely you don't expect me to believe something is true just because you say it is?
You prove to me that this computer that I am using works without using theories! Someone is walking on the sidewalk and a tree falls and gets diverted at the last second and they are saved from death, they thank God. You strike a key, your BS appears on the screen, and you thank electronics. How is that different? You can't see or tough an electron. You can only quote theories as well. As much as our egos want us to believe that we understand everything under the sun, we don't! The bible is an old document and many things happen daily that don't have clear explanations. Faith is as good a way to explain them as any. I will give you some points for the religious nuts that deny provable evolution, but not much else.
TastesLikeChicken
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Rove's strategy was to pander to anyone he thought would vote for Bush. Kerry's strategy was to pander to anyone he thought would vote for him. That's how campaigning works. Additionally, Rove didn't have to work hard to get the vote out to xians. They were already sold because their values more closely match that of the Republiacn party.
Rove did not invent this meme of the Evangelicals winning the election for Bush. That came from the RBH'rs. They, like you, paint the Evangelicals as hateful so the RBH sheeple will hate them reflexively without even thinking it over. 'Those xians are hateful asshats...and I hate them!' How stupid is that?
Of course, realizing how foolish this whole 'hate' thing is requires just a small amount of thinking, something I believe the RBH'rs are entirely failing to do. They'd rather point fingers of blame and call people ignorant. Problem is, they end up looking far more ignorant than the people they are indicting.
That is a problem too, but they usually just die. They don't require $30K a year of meidcations to stay alive.
The means of the spread of Aids was known as early as 1983. Playboy did articles on it.
Anything that costs $30K per year to treat can't be minimized! Not only is it costly to treat, it also threatens the lives of the medical professionals who attend the patients.
If you have any evidence that governments shared the tobacco money with medical institutions, present it!
Originally posted by: aidanjm
My friend, I will answer that when you provide me with the data proving your assertion that HIV/AIDS patients are "swamping" the US health system.
Surely you don't expect me to believe something is true just because you say it is?
I sort of expected you to have been watching the news and reading. This isn't the first grade.
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Obviously he has because he is stating that your claim is false!Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: aidanjm
My friend, I will answer that when you provide me with the data proving your assertion that HIV/AIDS patients are "swamping" the US health system.
Surely you don't expect me to believe something is true just because you say it is?
I sort of expected you to have been watching the news and reading. This isn't the first grade.
Are you proposing a "final solution"? I sure hope this is sarcasm.
Um, nearly every book in the New Testament was written by someone who saw Jesus personally (Paul saw him in a vision). I hardly think those eyewitness accounts were written to comprehend "things that are beyond our grasp of knowledge." That thesis holds no water when you actually read the Bible.
It is important to realise that the HIV virus was initially primarily spread by gay males only in the West (the US, Europe, etc.) In Africa, the illness is, and always has been, transmitted primarily through heterosexual sexual contacts. The fact that HIV/ AIDS affected gay males (in the west) was the result of an unfortunate coincidence: i.e., a gay man travelled to Africa, had sex with someone infected with the virus, contracted the virus, returned to the US, and passed the infection on within the gay community. What would have happened if it had been a heterosexual US traveller who contracted the illness and returned to the US?
What is RBH?
I do not 'hate' the evangelicals, they are an enigma to me. I seek information on this curious phenomenon of fundamentalist xian voters.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Obviously he has because he is stating that your claim is false!Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: aidanjm
My friend, I will answer that when you provide me with the data proving your assertion that HIV/AIDS patients are "swamping" the US health system.
Surely you don't expect me to believe something is true just because you say it is?
I sort of expected you to have been watching the news and reading. This isn't the first grade.
My wife ia a medical professional and she has a pretty clear understanding that is not based on reading the Internet. She has friends that have become infected with HIV simply because they closed a fluids tube incorrectly and got cut. My knowledge, like most of my postings, does come from very close.
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