where do I go to meet an "evangelical"??

[kotss]

Historical analyses can be debated, but they're still essential. Even if you disagree about specific analyses, the conflicts between different books, which ones are accepted by your Christian sect and which ones aren't, reveal that the division between Christian sects has existed from the beginning.

My point about the "bible" is that it can not be guaranteed to be the actual word of God from a factual
viewpoint (this is why faith is necessary). Unless some person has been around for 2000 years (not counting Jesus for those who believe) you cannot equivocally prove that these books are not changed or
even representative of what happened 2000 years ago.

One point of view is that viewpoints are typical of the winners of wars or revolutions and man has the nasty habit of making books and historical records reflect the "correct viewpoint". Religious texts
have no special accordance in regards to these things. How many monarchs, despots and such could
have changed the rewritten versions to match their agendas. We have no matter of proof that the words
of Jesus were recorded in accordance with his wishes. Man is the one who recorded them after all.
(Can you say, subjective thinking).

That is why it is a matter of faith, in my opinion there is nothing wrong with this. It is just not what I choose to believe. I choose to believe that most versions of religios texts have some important messages
about how to live your life in a manner that could allow for most people to live in relative peace as long
as hatred is shunned for its destructive nature. (I will say that hatred is useful in certain circumstances).
(Hate can be a powerful motivating factor if used properly.)

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Do evangelicals even use the Internet? I've never met one in my political mailing lists and discussion forums. Where would you go to find a large concentration of these people?

Hi, I?ve got a link in my sig ware you can learn to become a Christian for a reason.

The evangelicals that I know that voted for Bush all did so because of the abortion issue.

yep, abortion, my only issue.

otherwise i would have voted to split the government.

so is it really true that there are "two Americas"? the secular humanists, and the theocrats?

none of us are theocrats, it's the secular humanists vs. the traditionalists.

none of us want to make it so that people of other faith can't serve in office.

-the massive and growing inequality b/w rich and poor in your country

those who work hard advance, those who don't become educated stay poor. Going from the child of someone dirt-poor to the top 2% isn't impossible and happens every day in America.

--the lies, deceptions, of your president and his goons

one man's lies are another's "nuanced position", or "bad intelligence". So being simply wrong is much different than out-right lying.

--the Iraq fiasco -- 100,000 civilians dead

that poll had such a huge margin of error that there is an equal chance that it's 100,000 as it's 8000.

--Bin Laden on the loose, US military stretched to breaking point in Iraq

The growing Iraqi security forces are very useful.

--the loss of respect and admiration of the US among people the world over

except for the secular humanists, we honestly don't care what our allies think of what we do that we believe is necessary to protecting ourselves.

--the looming bankruptcy of your social security system

35 years off, and an increase in taxes would solve it, as would a number of republican proposals

--Bush's so called "tax cuts" (hand-outs for the wealthy) 50% of which -- one trillion dollars -- went to the wealthiest 1% of your population

When you cut taxes by a capitalistic % instead of cutting by dollars those who earn the most and pay the most tend to save the most money.

the top 1% only got a 3% tax cut while the bottom 20% got a 15% tax cut.

Clearly the 'hateful' evangelicals ARE the bad guys, and something definitely has to be done about them

yep, a generation of people with faith in God and a desire to live there lives in peace and not have the social moiré?s of other's forced on them is definitely a problem for liberals that demand a mindless hegemony.

I was thinking more along the lines of a mass de-programming effort

I?m sorry, but what's wrong with believing in Christ? Why is it wrong to allow people to believe as they want?

as for aids, it transfer faster through anal sex and people who engage in orgies faster than any other sexual group, and in the US a large portion of our homosexual male community engages in both.

ps, aidanjm:
In America, the only "bad guy" is the only trying to deny your rights, such as you in your call for re-programming, and "doing something about" the "bad guy's".

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Clearly the 'hateful' evangelicals ARE the bad guys, and something definitely has to be done about them

yep, a generation of people with faith in God and a desire to live there lives in peace and not have the social moiré?s of other's forced on them is definitely a problem for liberals that demand a mindless hegemony.

I was thinking more along the lines of a mass de-programming effort

I?m sorry, but what's wrong with believing in Christ? Why is it wrong to allow people to believe as they want?

as for aids, it transfer faster through anal sex and people who engage in orgies faster than any other sexual group, and in the US a large portion of our homosexual male community engages in both.

ps, aidanjm:
In America, the only "bad guy" is the only trying to deny your rights, such as you in your call for re-programming, and "doing something about" the "bad guy's".

What's wrong with believing in Christ? The problem lies in fundamentalist xians seeking to write their inflexible and in my opinion ludicrous dogma into law.

My comments on "de-programming" were a joke. Lighten up.

Your idea that a "large portion" of the gay male community engage in orgies is ludicrous in my opinion. Please provide statistics that support your contention. (And no -- don't bother supplying "research" from Paul Cameron, the Traditional Values Colaition, etc. I'd like data from say a national health organisation, or data from research conducted by reputable scientists and published in respected, peer-reviewed journals.)

You might be interested to know that HIV/ AIDS is now spreading fastest in your country not among the gay community, but among the heterosexual community -- particuarly within communities of color (Latinos, African-Americans). Interestingly, there is now a high rate of new infections occurring among women of colour (this group has one of the highest rates of new infection).

At any rate: even assuming that gay sex is to some extent more risky or dangerous than heterosexual sex (due to the reservoir of virus remaining within the gay male community), that does not reflect on the morality of gay sex. One cannot assume that because an activity is to some extent risky it is therefore necessarily immoral or bad: for example, snow-skiing is more dangerous than lawn bowls. Is snow-skiining therefore inherently immoral, or somehow less moral or virtuous than lawn bowls? Is lawn bowls, from a moral perspective, a more desirable activity than snow-skiining? lol.

Have I mentioned, by the way, that the vast majority of people living with HIV/ AIDS reside in Africa -- where the diease is predominently spread by heterosexual contacts. In many African countries up to 40% of the population is now infected with HIV/ AIDS. There are currently over 8 million orphans whose parents have died of this illness in Africa. HIV; AIDS will be the greatest problem facing Africa in the coming decades. This is a massive catastrophe in the making. It is odd to me that individuals on this forum, such as Condor, and yourself, are not more fully informed on this issue.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Condor
How many people has HIV/AIDs killed in the world since Gays propagated it in 1983?

It is important to realise that the HIV virus was initially primarily spread by gay males only in the West (the US, Europe, etc.) In Africa, the illness is, and always has been, transmitted primarily through heterosexual sexual contacts. The fact that HIV/ AIDS affected gay males (in the west) was the result of an unfortunate coincidence: i.e., a gay man travelled to Africa, had sex with someone infected with the virus, contracted the virus, returned to the US, and passed the infection on within the gay community. What would have happened if it had been a heterosexual US traveller who contracted the illness and returned to the US?

HIV enters the body through torn flesh with blood to blood contact. That happens very infrequently through heterosexual contact.

Perhaps you would care to explain that to the 40+ million people with this virus in Africa, where transmission is primarily through heterosexual contact.

There are fewer than 1 million US citizens who have this virus, by the way.

Fact is fact. How they do heterosexual sex and tear flesh is beyond me.

Sadly, many have died off and happily the rest have learned.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Condor
HIV enters the body through torn flesh with blood to blood contact. That happens very infrequently through heterosexual contact.

Lesbians are one of the least likely groups to contract aids. God must love them so, and have hated hemophilliacs with a heavenly passion. Damn satanic hemophilliacs.

Lesbiand don't do a lot of torn flesh. In hemophilliacs, it is blood to blood. Blame the ones who have carelessly infected themselves and then donate blood. You have to lie to give a pint of infected blood!

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Perhaps you would care to explain that to the 40+ million people with this virus in Africa, where transmission is primarily through heterosexual contact.

There are fewer than 1 million US citizens who have this virus, by the way.

Fact is fact. How they do heterosexual sex and tear flesh is beyond me.

Sadly, many have died off and happily the rest have learned.

What in doG's name are you talking about? "Torn flesh" is NOT required for the transmission of HIV/ AIDS. There are now more women than men infected with HIV/AIDS in sub-Saharran Africa. Those women did not contract the HIV virus thru sex with other women; they contracted it from their husbands, partners, whatever. Heterosexual sex. THE EPIDEMIOLOGY OF THE HIV/AIDS VIRUS DIFFERS DRAMATICALLY BETWEEN THE WESTERN WORLD, AND AFRICA. IN THE WEST, THIS ILLNESS HAS PRIMARILY INFECTED GAY MEN; IN AFRICA, THE ILLNESS HAS BEEN PRIMARILY TRANSMITTED THROUGH HETEROSEXUAL CONTACTS. THIS IS HIV/AIDS 101. ***GOOGLE. READ. LEARN.

And what on earth could you mean by "the rest have learned"? Many thousands of individuals contract the HIV/AIDS virus in Africa every day. It is "spreading like wild-fire".

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Condor
HIV enters the body through torn flesh with blood to blood contact. That happens very infrequently through heterosexual contact.

Lesbians are one of the least likely groups to contract aids. God must love them so, and have hated hemophilliacs with a heavenly passion. Damn satanic hemophilliacs.

Lesbiand don't do a lot of torn flesh. In hemophilliacs, it is blood to blood. Blame the ones who have carelessly infected themselves and then donate blood. You have to lie to give a pint of infected blood!

I wonder at your need to "blame" anyone.

I also wonder just what you would like to have done with these "irresponsible" queers who (according to you) engage in careless + stupid behaviours that lead them to contract the HIV/AIDS virus?

Do you think gay people should be able to marry? I would have thought someone with views like yours would seek to promote monogamy within the gay community. What better way to do that than to encourage more gays to give up the party lifestyle, get married & settle down...? Can I take it you fully support gays' struggle to access civil marriage?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Your idea that a "large portion" of the gay male community engage in orgies is ludicrous in my opinion.

I only know a few gays, and they are consistently changing partners. Other than that my information comes from media that I would think was for gay-rights, things like the movie Philadelphia.

The problem lies in fundamentalist xians seeking to write their inflexible and in my opinion ludicrous dogma into law.

what in particular are you against? You could just as easily call what the liberals of the nation want as law dogma of the secular-humanistic point of view.

When we disagree about basic values we vote, such is the point of a democracy.

You might be interested to know that HIV/ AIDS is now spreading fastest in your country not among the gay community, but among the heterosexual community

when you have less fear of it then you?ve got less chance you?re going to take proper precautions, I?ve argued about the negative physical effects of homosexual sex before, but I?m sure a brief search in the journal of nature will enlighten you.

hat does not reflect on the morality of gay sex.

I agree. And it?s none of my business to tell others ?you can?t do that?, such is freedom. But it?s not the government?s place to approve of people?s sexual behavior.

"Torn flesh" is NOT required for the transmission of HIV/ AIDS.

no, but it helps:

Have I mentioned, by the way, that the vast majority of people living with HIV/ AIDS reside in Africa

if blood contact spread Xbola 10 times faster than air-born contact, but Xbola started in Africa, I?d still expect that most people to get Xbola would be those who got it via the air-born means.

But I?m not blaming homosexuals for aids, that?s just silly.

I?m a real-live evangelical, you said you want to learn something, but then you inform me that I ?seek to write my inflexible and ludicrous dogma into law?, why don?t you actually ask about the fundamental idea you have about us that brought you to that.

And yes, we use the internet , I?ve been on this forum for six years now, and was once the leader of a Christian player-association for the MMO StarWarsGalaxies

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Condor
HIV enters the body through torn flesh with blood to blood contact. That happens very infrequently through heterosexual contact.

Lesbians are one of the least likely groups to contract aids. God must love them so, and have hated hemophilliacs with a heavenly passion. Damn satanic hemophilliacs.

Lesbiand don't do a lot of torn flesh. In hemophilliacs, it is blood to blood. Blame the ones who have carelessly infected themselves and then donate blood. You have to lie to give a pint of infected blood!

I wonder at your need to "blame" anyone.

I also wonder just what you would like to have done with these "irresponsible" queers who (according to you) engage in careless + stupid behaviours that lead them to contract the HIV/AIDS virus?

Do you think gay people should be able to marry? I would have thought someone with views like yours would seek to promote monogamy within the gay community. What better way to do that than to encourage more gays to give up the party lifestyle, get married & settle down...? Can I take it you fully support gays' struggle to access civil marriage?

I absolutely support gay marriage. Why should they escape divorce courts?

Oh, and I didn't use the word "queer" in my postings. I see it as demeaning.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Do evangelicals even use the Internet? I've never met one in my political mailing lists and discussion forums. Where would you go to find a large concentration of these people?

Come visit me here in Amarillo, and I'll introduce you to hordes of the bastards.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Do evangelicals even use the Internet? I've never met one in my political mailing lists and discussion forums. Where would you go to find a large concentration of these people?

Come visit me here in Amarillo, and I'll introduce you to hordes of the bastards.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: smashp
scary

creepy

the second one is very creepy

 

[LordMagnusKain]

i think it's hilarious.

and even more hilarious that you people are creeped out by it!

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Do evangelicals even use the Internet? I've never met one in my political mailing lists and discussion forums. Where would you go to find a large concentration of these people?

Come visit me here in Amarillo, and I'll introduce you to hordes of the bastards.

Mmmm make my oatmeal with raisins. Maybe you'd fit in here, LMK. Take it easy I'm just yankin' your chain.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Do evangelicals even use the Internet? I've never met one in my political mailing lists and discussion forums. Where would you go to find a large concentration of these people?

Come visit me here in Amarillo, and I'll introduce you to hordes of the bastards.

Mmmm make my oatmeal with raisins. Maybe you'd fit in here, LMK. Take it easy I'm just yankin' your chain.

lol, will do.

I?d seriously love to answer any honest questions though... think i should start a thread?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Do evangelicals even use the Internet? I've never met one in my political mailing lists and discussion forums. Where would you go to find a large concentration of these people?

Come visit me here in Amarillo, and I'll introduce you to hordes of the bastards.

Mmmm make my oatmeal with raisins. Maybe you'd fit in here, LMK. Take it easy I'm just yankin' your chain.

lol, will do.

I?d seriously love to answer any honest questions though... think i should start a thread?

I have some "honest questions", which I am thinking about asking you, and no doubt will ask you soon. First I "need" to write some responses to some other posts which contain various logical fallacies, factual errors, etc. which are crying out for correction.

 

[colonel]

I dont think you will fit in the group, you are a alien, their kindom is for born again american citizen without FUNNY talking,

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: colonel
I dont think you will fit in the group, you are a alien, their kindom is for born again american citizen without FUNNY talking,

Of course I won't fit in. That's neither here nor there.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: colonel
I dont think you will fit in the group, you are a alien, their kindom is for born again american citizen without FUNNY talking,

Of course I won't fit in. That's neither here nor there.

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