where do I go to meet an "evangelical"??

[aidanjm]

Do evangelicals even use the Internet? I've never met one in my political mailing lists and discussion forums. Where would you go to find a large concentration of these people?

 

[IEC]

Da South. And Evangelicals is lumping a big group of people and labeling them. Not all "Evangelicals" like Bush and it is only a small group that is reactionary.

 

[earthman]

You can find them in the 700 Club, or anywhere Jerry Falwell or Jimmy Swaggart are hanging out these days.

 

[glugglug]

Try the nutjobs at http://www.oneimage.org/index.html

 

[Blackjack2000]

lol, I'm an Evangelical, but I (and my entire Evangelical family) voted for Kerry, and my church came pretty damn close to openly endorsing Kerry. The evangelicals that I know that voted for Bush all did so because of the abortion issue.

I don't know what to tell you, when I read the bible it seams pretty clear that Jesus wanted us to help the poor and turn the other cheek. I can't see how tax cuts for the rich, lack of medical insurance, and attacking 3rd world nations with powerless rogue leaders are consistant with those teachings.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Do evangelicals even use the Internet? I've never met one in my political mailing lists and discussion forums. Where would you go to find a large concentration of these people?

Try church. I know it is an alien concept, but that is where they are most likely to be. Most of the ones I've met are Democrats and liberals.

 

[smashp]

scary

creepy

 

[Neos]

Originally posted by: Condor
Try church. I know it is an alien concept, but that is where they are most likely to be. Most of the ones I've met are Democrats and liberals.

Maybe in your part of the world, but not here in the south. Exception at this time is probably the black churches down here, and some liberal white churches. For that reason they are changing.

The reason I say "exception at this time" is that the black churches down here are very spiritual. They know that abortion is wrong. They know that to flaunt and encourage homosexuality is wrong. They know that God is real, and He is watching. Look to see even more of the black population to leave the Democrats. They are waking up, and know that the policies (and the liberal morals) of that party have actually kept them in bondage as a race for years.

The day after the election a black gentleman called into a station I listen to. His words ..."For years I have held my nose and voted Democrat. Not this year - I voted for Bush"

To clarify the homosexual issue from an evangelical position:
All have sinned, and come short. That includes me. That includes you. That includes gays. Problem we Evangelicals have with the homosexual movement (the radical, extreme, heard portion) is that they would make this particular sin (which is an especially bad one in God's eyes) mainstream. They have sought to glorify sodomy (English call it buggering) between two men. Many folk who have children and grandchildren do not want this behavior exhibited in such a flagrant way - trying to normalize it - and make it acceptable to all. It all goes back to a truism when I was a kid. When I was doing something that I knew deep down was wrong - I wanted someone to go on the journey with me. The more that I could get to do as I was doing - the more I felt that I was OK.

Go ahead ...flame me!

 

[Pliablemoose]

If you're an Aussie' like in your profile, don't worry, they're coming to meet you soon

Abortion debate flares in Australia

 

[PatboyX]

my chick's brother is always trying to push the folks toward god.
also: doesnt kirk cameron have an intense website about how you are most likely going to hell?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: Condor
Try church. I know it is an alien concept, but that is where they are most likely to be. Most of the ones I've met are Democrats and liberals.

Maybe in your part of the world, but not here in the south. Exception at this time is probably the black churches down here, and some liberal white churches. For that reason they are changing.

The reason I say "exception at this time" is that the black churches down here are very spiritual. They know that abortion is wrong. They know that to flaunt and encourage homosexuality is wrong. They know that God is real, and He is watching. Look to see even more of the black population to leave the Democrats. They are waking up, and know that the policies (and the liberal morals) of that party have actually kept them in bondage as a race for years.

The day after the election a black gentleman called into a station I listen to. His words ..."For years I have held my nose and voted Democrat. Not this year - I voted for Bush"

To clarify the homosexual issue from an evangelical position:
All have sinned, and come short. That includes me. That includes you. That includes gays. Problem we Evangelicals have with the homosexual movement (the radical, extreme, heard portion) is that they would make this particular sin (which is an especially bad one in God's eyes) mainstream. They have sought to glorify sodomy (English call it buggering) between two men. Many folk who have children and grandchildren do not want this behavior exhibited in such a flagrant way - trying to normalize it - and make it acceptable to all. It all goes back to a truism when I was a kid. When I was doing something that I knew deep down was wrong - I wanted someone to go on the journey with me. The more that I could get to do as I was doing - the more I felt that I was OK.

Go ahead ...flame me!

Glorify Buggerring..LOL! :roll:

 

[dmcowen674]

Well here in New Orleans you can meet them everyday and their writings of hate and discrimination are celebrated proudly everyday in the paper.

Take today for example:

Anne Williams writes - "We study God's word and vote against anything God hates, God hates Homosexuality and Abortion:.

Basically she has turned around John 4:16 "God is love;and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him" into

"He that dwelleth in hate dwelleth in God, and God in him"

Appararently God has spoken to 51% of the population and re-wrote the Bible and the other 49% didn't get a copy.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Neos

They have sought to glorify sodomy (English call it buggering) between two men.

So if you're married to a woman & the front porch has fresh paint, I can use the backdoor, no harm no foul?

 

[Neos]

For many Evangelicals - there is a verse that covers that in a hetrosexual marriage. Truth be told - though ...the true spiritual journey is one that leads one away from behavior that could be viewed as suspect.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: earthman
You can find them in the 700 Club, or anywhere Jerry Falwell or Jimmy Swaggart are hanging out these days.

Oh geez, yeah. Watch TBN for a few hours, if you can stand it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Neos
For many Evangelicals - there is a verse that covers that in a hetrosexual marriage. Truth be told - though ...the true spiritual journey is one that leads one away from behavior that could be viewed as suspect.

Like judging others based on ones mythical beliefs?

 

[Neos]

Originally posted by: conjur
What's shocking is that your ideology controls you, not the other way around. - eigen

Control?? Hmmmmmmm.

First off - I think that many quote 'evangelicals' ..do not exhibit true Christian behavior. Many evangelicals are not that spiritual - they are more political - more 'religious' (a trait that Jesus deplored). This does not mean that they are not born again.

Saying that, I go back to a statement earlier. We are all under sin. That includes the Evangelical that may not be exhibiting a true leading of God's spirit. He messes us - he is not perfect. He gets prioud, and like to think that he has the answers. Actually he does - he just does not necessarily present them in love.

But back to control. A true Christian (of which every Evangelical hopefully is) welcomes control - Godly control - from within. He (or she) knows that left to thier own devices - they ultimately destroy themselves from within.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: conjur
What's shocking is that your ideology controls you, not the other way around. - eigen

Control?? Hmmmmmmm.

First off - I think that many quote 'evangelicals' ..do not exhibit true Christian behavior. Many evangelicals are not that spiritual - they are more political - more 'religious' (a trait that Jesus deplored). This does not mean that they are not born again.

Saying that, I go back to a statement earlier. We are all under sin. That includes the Evangelical that may not be exhibiting a true leading of God's spirit. He messes us - he is not perfect. He gets prioud, and like to think that he has the answers. Actually he does - he just does not necessarily present them in love.

But back to control. A true Christian (of which every Evangelical hopefully is) welcomes control - Godly control - from within. He (or she) knows that left to thier own devices - they ultimately destroy themselves from within.

Because they are weak of mind.

In any case, any religion's dogma doesn't belong in our civil laws.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
If you're an Aussie' like in your profile, don't worry, they're coming to meet you soon

Abortion debate flares in Australia

yes, it's a bit scary.

so is it really true that there are "two americas"? the secular humanists, and the theocrats?

 

[Neos]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Like judging others based on ones mythical beliefs?

Mythical?

Mr. Red Dawn. I could give you proof that you are wrong - but would you go there?

Most folk that I have met that say they do not believe in God seem to fall into two camps. One is strickly from an intellectual perspective. These folk are usually open to explore stuff like this. I know an individual in LA (an intellectual Atheist) - computer EVERYTHING - way past most of us here as far as genius / mental ability. He decided to find out if there was a God - researched all the options - read all he could find - and after about a year of research (off and on) - he decided that God had to be real - and is now a REAL beliver in God and in his Christ. The reason I say real is that much of what you find in churches is not the real mccoy - just religion.

The second group I think is those who have been exposed to something really negative that has turned them off from God - or even the possibility of his being real. These folk usually just close off any discussion of it alltogether. This second person is somewhat like what my wife was in. She was raised in an off the wall religious enviroment and turned away from that for most of her life - returning to the spiritual reality of it all after many years.

There is proof, but as I said - those falling in the second group would probably never consider exploring it. Those who think they are in the first group, and still close it out - are in denial.

By the way - judging is not good. The reasons Christians do way too much of it is because they too have a part of themselves that needs attention spiritually. As I said - we all are under the cloud of sin. And juding the way the bible sees it and the way most see it are too different things. There is a good judgement that says "this is wrong" - and then there is a judgement that looks down on others and condemns them without giving hope - VERY BAD!

 

[Neos]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

so is it really true that there are "two americas"? the secular humanists, and the theocrats?

Probably so - although I am not exactly sure what you mean by 'theocrats'??

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: ariafrost
Da South. And Evangelicals is lumping a big group of people and labeling them. Not all "Evangelicals" like Bush and it is only a small group that is reactionary.

Isn't that what they call themselves? I thought they mostly voted for Bush, isn't that how he won the election?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: aidanjm

so is it really true that there are "two americas"? the secular humanists, and the theocrats?

Probably so - although I am not exactly sure what you mean by 'theocrats'??

The ones who want to run the U.S. gov't as a Christian theocracy. People like Ashcroft, DeLay, DeMint, Coburn, Bush, etc.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Like judging others based on ones mythical beliefs?

Mythical?

Mr. Red Dawn. I could give you proof that you are wrong - but would you go there?

Most folk that I have met that say they do not believe in God seem to fall into two camps. One is strickly from an intellectual perspective. These folk are usually open to explore stuff like this. I know an individual in LA (an intellectual Atheist) - computer EVERYTHING - way past most of us here as far as genius / mental ability. He decided to find out if there was a God - researched all the options - read all he could find - and after about a year of research (off and on) - he decided that God had to be real - and is now a REAL beliver in God and in his Christ. The reason I say real is that much of what you find in churches is not the real mccoy - just religion.

The second group I think is those who have been exposed to something really negative that has turned them off from God - or even the possibility of his being real. These folk usually just close off any discussion of it alltogether. This second person is somewhat like what my wife was in. She was raised in an off the wall religious enviroment and turned away from that for most of her life - returning to the spiritual reality of it all after many years.

There is proof, but as I said - those falling in the second group would probably never consider exploring it. Those who think they are in the first group, and still close it out - are in denial.

By the way - judging is not good. The reasons Christians do way too much of it is because they too have a part of themselves that needs attention spiritually. As I said - we all are under the cloud of sin. And juding the way the bible sees it and the way most see it are too different things. There is a good judgement that says "this is wrong" - and then there is a judgement that looks down on others and condemns them without giving hope - VERY BAD!

What makes your Mythical Beliefs any different than those of the Ancient Greeks or Egyptians?

 

[phantom309]

There are always a few hundred of them waddling around your local Wal-Mart.