where do I go to meet an "evangelical"??

[Neos]

Originally posted by: conjur

Because they are weak of mind.

In any case, any religion's dogma doesn't belong in our civil laws.[/quote]

Do I sound weak of mind? My, my - must be old age creeping up!

OK, lets see ...religious dogma in our laws. Hmmmmmm?

How about ..."Thous shalt not steal". ...or the one about murder, or taking another mans wife - and we could go on.

See, we have to admit that there is a lot of good that we want to have - that would come from religion. Thing is - most want to pick and choose.

This nation was built on religious principles. Many would have this taken out. When that desire would come to its end - then our society would also end. History proves it out.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: conjur

Because they are weak of mind.

In any case, any religion's dogma doesn't belong in our civil laws.

Do I sound weak of mind? My, my - must be old age creeping up!

OK, lets see ...religious dogma in our laws. Hmmmmmm?

How about ..."Thous shalt not steal". ...or the one about murder, or taking another mans wife - and we could go on.

See, we have to admit that there is a lot of good that we want to have - that would come from religion. Thing is - most want to pick and choose.

This nation was built on religious principles. Many would have this taken out. When that desire would come to its end - then our society would also end. History proves it out.[/quote]

Your Religion adopted those laws from other cultures, they are not exclusive to the Judeo Christian Religions.

 

[Neos]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
What makes your Mythical Beliefs any different than those of the Ancient Greeks or Egyptians?

How about scientific proof that the God of the Bible is who he says he is - Jehovah ? How about Scientific proof that he gave us instructions on how to really know what life is all about ?

Not religion! Not dogma!

 

[Neos]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Your Religion adopted those laws from other cultures, they are not exclusive to the Judeo Christian Religions.

That really does not matter. Our nation used these religious guidelines to set up a free republic.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
What makes your Mythical Beliefs any different than those of the Ancient Greeks or Egyptians?

How about scientific proof that the God of the Bible is who he says he is - Jehovah ? How about Scientific proof that he gave us instructions on how to really know what life is all about ?

Not religion! Not dogma!

If you had scientific proof then you wouldn't need faith.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Neos
To clarify the homosexual issue from an evangelical position:
All have sinned, and come short. That includes me. That includes you. That includes gays. Problem we Evangelicals have with the homosexual movement (the radical, extreme, heard portion) is that they would make this particular sin (which is an especially bad one in God's eyes) mainstream. They have sought to glorify sodomy (English call it buggering) between two men. Many folk who have children and grandchildren do not want this behavior exhibited in such a flagrant way - trying to normalize it - and make it acceptable to all. It all goes back to a truism when I was a kid. When I was doing something that I knew deep down was wrong - I wanted someone to go on the journey with me. The more that I could get to do as I was doing - the more I felt that I was OK.

explain your priorities. there are all these important issues that might have influenced your vote in a certain direction, like:
--the massive and growing inequality b/w rich and poor in your country
--the lies, deceptions, of your president and his goons
--the Iraq fiasco -- 100,000 civilians dead
--Bin Laden on the loose, US military stretched to breaking point in Iraq
--the loss of respect and admiration of the US among people the world over
--the looming bankruptcy of your social security system
--Bush's so called "tax cuts" (hand-outs for the wealthy) 50% of which -- one trillion dollars -- went to the wealthiest 1% of your population
--and so on

but you evangelical folx (apparently, supposedly) chose to ignore the above, and focus instead on the all-important (lol) abortion & gay marriage...

Why??????????????????????????????????????

also, I'm wondering thought where you got the idea that it was ok to start banning things that you don't agree with (or things that 'God' doesn't agree with).

 

[TravisT]

I find it amazing that you guys are still bashing the Christians. But hey, i'm pretty proud of my faith and the fact that the right President got in office due to the church's influence.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: ariafrost
Da South. And Evangelicals is lumping a big group of people and labeling them. Not all "Evangelicals" like Bush and it is only a small group that is reactionary.

Isn't that what they call themselves? I thought they mostly voted for Bush, isn't that how he won the election?

In actuality, no, Evangelicals are not how Bush won. That meme was developed by a few on the liberal side of the equation to invent a whipping boy for the opposition. Overall, the Evangelicals were no more responsible for Bush's victory than any other large group that tended to vote for Bush. I think a big percentage of people over 60 voted for Bush as well so his re-election could just as easily be 'blamed' on them. Problem is, it doesn't sell well to villify senior citizens. It's much easier to stir the pot over those 'hateful' Evangelicals and make them the bad guy.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TravisT
I find it amazing that you guys are still bashing the Christians. But hey, i'm pretty proud of my faith and the fact that the right President got in office due to the church's influence.

Ah Pride, another of those sins that the Evagelistas tend to ignore!

 

[Neos]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: aidanjm

so is it really true that there are "two americas"? the secular humanists, and the theocrats?

Probably so - although I am not exactly sure what you mean by 'theocrats'??

The ones who want to run the U.S. gov't as a Christian theocracy. People like Ashcroft, DeLay, DeMint, Coburn, Bush, etc.

I almost agree with you. The problem I see is that the pendulum can swing too far both ways.

What we see happening right now is because the media, the secular elites, the Hollywood elite, the ACLU, and the so-called intellectuals have labeled Christians as - dim, dopey, stupid, backward, superstitious, narrow minded, closed off ..etc.

After a extended diet of this attitude these folk have become weary of it have flexed thier political muscle. We have all heard of a sleeping giant. Me thinks the giant has woke up.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: conjur
Because they are weak of mind.

In any case, any religion's dogma doesn't belong in our civil laws.

Do I sound weak of mind? My, my - must be old age creeping up!

OK, lets see ...religious dogma in our laws. Hmmmmmm?

How about ..."Thous shalt not steal". ...or the one about murder, or taking another mans wife - and we could go on.

See, we have to admit that there is a lot of good that we want to have - that would come from religion. Thing is - most want to pick and choose.

This nation was built on religious principles. Many would have this taken out. When that desire would come to its end - then our society would also end. History proves it out.

Those are civil laws. They reach beyond just religious meanings. Never heard the phrase: Your rights end where mine begin?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: aidanjm

so is it really true that there are "two americas"? the secular humanists, and the theocrats?

Probably so - although I am not exactly sure what you mean by 'theocrats'??

The ones who want to run the U.S. gov't as a Christian theocracy. People like Ashcroft, DeLay, DeMint, Coburn, Bush, etc.

I almost agree with you. The problem I see is that the pendulum can swing too far both ways.

What we see happening right now is because the media, the secular elites, the Hollywood elite, the ACLU, and the so-called intellectuals have labeled Christians as - dim, dopey, stupid, backward, superstitious, narrow minded, closed off ..etc.

After a extended diet of this attitude these folk have become weary of it have flexed thier political muscle. We have all heard of a sleeping giant. Me thinks the giant has woke up.

You're generalizing and stretching the truth in order to bolster your defense of Christians. Not all Christians behave like these nutcases. However, it's the nutcases that get the press and help feed the stereotype.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: conjur
Because they are weak of mind.

In any case, any religion's dogma doesn't belong in our civil laws.

Do I sound weak of mind? My, my - must be old age creeping up!

OK, lets see ...religious dogma in our laws. Hmmmmmm?

How about ..."Thous shalt not steal". ...or the one about murder, or taking another mans wife - and we could go on.

See, we have to admit that there is a lot of good that we want to have - that would come from religion. Thing is - most want to pick and choose.

This nation was built on religious principles. Many would have this taken out. When that desire would come to its end - then our society would also end. History proves it out.

Those are civil laws. They reach beyond just religious meanings. Never heard the phrase: Your rights end where mine begin?

The problem is, Christians can't separate the two. There is no separation between their "Christian life", and their "regular life". When you believe that God created the concept of existence, the universe, and everything in it, and your purpose on this earth is to serve him, it becomes the basis for your life. How can you put that on the shelf and not consider it when you're dealing with a secular society?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: conjur
Those are civil laws. They reach beyond just religious meanings. Never heard the phrase: Your rights end where mine begin?

The problem is, Christians can't separate the two. There is no separation between their "Christian life", and their "regular life". When you believe that God created the concept of existence, the universe, and everything in it, and your purpose on this earth is to serve him, it becomes the basis for your life. How can you put that on the shelf and not consider it when you're dealing with a secular society?

There are plenty of Christians that can separate the two. Most Catholics, for example, and Greek Orthodox and even many Lutherans (Garrison Keillor ring any bells?).

 

[Neos]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
explain your priorities. there are all these important issues that might have influenced your vote in a certain direction, like:
--the massive and growing inequality b/w rich and poor in your country
--the lies, deceptions, of your president and his goons
--the Iraq fiasco -- 100,000 civilians dead
--Bin Laden on the loose, US military stretched to breaking point in Iraq
--the loss of respect and admiration of the US among people the world over
--the looming bankruptcy of your social security system
--Bush's so called "tax cuts" (hand-outs for the wealthy) 50% of which -- one trillion dollars -- went to the wealthiest 1% of your population
--and so on

but you evangelical folx (apparently, supposedly) chose to ignore the above, and focus instead on the all-important (lol) abortion & gay marriage...

Why??????????????????????????????????????

also, I'm wondering thought where you got the idea that it was ok to start banning things that you don't agree with (or things that 'God' doesn't agree with).

Ok ..all the stuff you list is - well, true or not true - depending on who you listen to. We all tend to believe what we want. I agree with a lot of your points - but not all.

See, I think there are extremes on both sides. As I made in another post here - Christians have sit back for years and allowed the 'intellectually gifted' box them in as dim and dimmer. That is an extreme. Now we may be going to another extreme in some instances (not all).

But the book still stands, and it has the truth - and some who would claim to be wise do not want the truth. Truth brings us to a place of accountability - and most in our culture do not want that.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: conjur
Because they are weak of mind.

In any case, any religion's dogma doesn't belong in our civil laws.

Do I sound weak of mind? My, my - must be old age creeping up!

OK, lets see ...religious dogma in our laws. Hmmmmmm?

How about ..."Thous shalt not steal". ...or the one about murder, or taking another mans wife - and we could go on.

See, we have to admit that there is a lot of good that we want to have - that would come from religion. Thing is - most want to pick and choose.

This nation was built on religious principles. Many would have this taken out. When that desire would come to its end - then our society would also end. History proves it out.

Those are civil laws. They reach beyond just religious meanings. Never heard the phrase: Your rights end where mine begin?

The problem is, Christians can't separate the two. There is no separation between their "Christian life", and their "regular life". When you believe that God created the concept of existence, the universe, and everything in it, and your purpose on this earth is to serve him, it becomes the basis for your life. How can you put that on the shelf and not consider it when you're dealing with a secular society?

Muslims have the same problem!

 

[Neos]

I tend to agree - in principle, anyway.

 

[imported_Condor]

My issue with gays isn't a moral one. I really don't care. My issue with them is that they were stupid enough to spread HIV/AIDS. Once it crossed into the heterosexual population, it was all over for hundreds of thousands. Another source of AIDS is drug habits that involve exchange of blood products with multi use needles. The liberals on these boards say that Bush should fix the health system. He didn't break it. Smokers, drug users and AIDS patients are the ones who are swamping the system. Ambulance chasing attornies are a close third. Funny that liberals support gays and tried to get an ambulance chaser elected VP! There is a lack of logical thought evidenced there. My only problem with gays is when they become a burden on the health system.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Rob9874
The problem is, Christians can't separate the two. There is no separation between their "Christian life", and their "regular life". When you believe that God created the concept of existence, the universe, and everything in it, and your purpose on this earth is to serve him, it becomes the basis for your life. How can you put that on the shelf and not consider it when you're dealing with a secular society?

Muslims have the same problem!

Not all of them.

 

[Neos]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TravisT
I find it amazing that you guys are still bashing the Christians. But hey, i'm pretty proud of my faith and the fact that the right President got in office due to the church's influence.

Ah Pride, another of those sins that the Evagelistas tend to ignore!

Pride is one of my BIGGIES! Still working on that one.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well here in New Orleans you can meet them everyday and their writings of hate and discrimination are celebrated proudly everyday in the paper.

Take today for example:

Anne Williams writes - "We study God's word and vote against anything God hates, God hates Homosexuality and Abortion:.

Basically she has turned around John 4:16 "God is love;and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him" into

"He that dwelleth in hate dwelleth in God, and God in him"

Appararently God has spoken to 51% of the population and re-wrote the Bible and the other 49% didn't get a copy.

You are in New Orleans, they believe in VooDoo there too!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Condor
My issue with gays isn't a moral one. I really don't care. My issue with them is that they were stupid enough to spread HIV/AIDS. Once it crossed into the heterosexual population, it was all over for hundreds of thousands. Another source of AIDS is drug habits that involve exchange of blood products with multi use needles. The liberals on these boards say that Bush should fix the health system. He didn't break it. Smokers, drug users and AIDS patients are the ones who are swamping the system. Ambulance chasing attornies are a close third. Funny that liberals support gays and tried to get an ambulance chaser elected VP! There is a lack of logical thought evidenced there. My only problem with gays is when they become a burden on the health system.

Don't forget the Slothful and the Gluttons. Lazy ass fat slobs are more of a drain financially through health care costs than all of the others you mentioned combined.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: conjur
Those are civil laws. They reach beyond just religious meanings. Never heard the phrase: Your rights end where mine begin?

The problem is, Christians can't separate the two. There is no separation between their "Christian life", and their "regular life". When you believe that God created the concept of existence, the universe, and everything in it, and your purpose on this earth is to serve him, it becomes the basis for your life. How can you put that on the shelf and not consider it when you're dealing with a secular society?

There are plenty of Christians that can separate the two. Most Catholics, for example, and Greek Orthodox and even many Lutherans (Garrison Keillor ring any bells?).

Yeah, that's why the Catholics were mad that Kerry called himself Catholic, but supported abortion.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Neos

Originally posted by: conjur
What's shocking is that your ideology controls you, not the other way around. - eigen

Control?? Hmmmmmmm.

First off - I think that many quote 'evangelicals' ..do not exhibit true Christian behavior. Many evangelicals are not that spiritual - they are more political - more 'religious' (a trait that Jesus deplored). This does not mean that they are not born again.

Saying that, I go back to a statement earlier. We are all under sin. That includes the Evangelical that may not be exhibiting a true leading of God's spirit. He messes us - he is not perfect. He gets prioud, and like to think that he has the answers. Actually he does - he just does not necessarily present them in love.

But back to control. A true Christian (of which every Evangelical hopefully is) welcomes control - Godly control - from within. He (or she) knows that left to thier own devices - they ultimately destroy themselves from within.

Some truth to that. I figure that when I die, I'm going to hell. My job will be turning the spit with the preachers on it! The issue (to the blind liberals out there) is not that they read the bible, but that they are blind true believers who despise logic and eschew reality. I put loonie liberals in the same slot with them. They just describe what they believe in with different terms.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: earthman
You can find them in the 700 Club, or anywhere Jerry Falwell or Jimmy Swaggart are hanging out these days.

Oh geez, yeah. Watch TBN for a few hours, if you can stand it.

I was TDY in a town in Mexico for six weeks one year. The hotel TV only had VH1 and TBN. I honestly couldn't tell you which was worse.