When will Anti-Conservatives put this country back on track?

[OneOfTheseDays]

As far as I can tell, the only people who are inflamed and DOING something about it are the nutjob conservative Tea Party folk. And thus far they've done a fine job of destroying this country's credit rating, tanking the stock market, and look poised to tackle dismantling the EPA next.

What the fuck happened to common sense ideology in this country? I'm fucking sick and tired of the Christian conservative movement in this country. They stand for EVERYTHING that is wrong in this country today. Racism, hatred, intolerance, greed, stubbornness, and worst of all...downright stupidity. These people reject the very notion of an education, as if being enlightened is somehow a bad thing.

If anyone feels like I do I think we have to start taking a stand here and getting involved politically to put this last bastion of retardation back in the closet where it belongs. I don't know about you but I'm fucking sick and tired of seeing us have the same arguments over GLOBAL WARMING and EVOLUTION year after year. The rest of the civilized world is completely passing us by, and this country is going to deteriorate further and further if we don't do something.

It's time for the Christian Right to die a miserable political death in this country. Otherwise, they will take this country straight into the shitter.

 

[irishScott]

I predict the Tea Party and Co will get Perry through the primary, and he'll be trounced by Obama.

It's the wrong stuff that makes the news. There's plenty of good in America, it just usually doesn't make as much media money.

 

[nonlnear]

At AA+, American debt is still overrated. The tea party didn't cause the downgrade, reality did. It's better to get an early warning downgrade from one agency before the time it'll really move the bond market. If they had quietly raised the debt ceiling now, and kept the Titanic steaming quietly through the night we'd be in for a real rude awakening in a couple years when all the agencies knocked us down to single-A or lower simultaneously.

We've got Alan Greenspan being quoted as saying that the probability of American default is zero because we can always print money, and this is supposed to be comforting? The circus has only just begun...

 

[Infohawk]

They stand for EVERYTHING that is wrong in this country today. Racism, hatred, intolerance, greed, stubbornness, and worst of all...downright stupidity.

It sounds like you hate Christians. Kind of hypocritical. Also, it's just not very practical.

 

[sandorski]

At AA+, American debt is still overrated. The tea party didn't cause the downgrade, reality did. It's better to get an early warning downgrade from one agency before the time it'll really move the bond market. If they had quietly raised the debt ceiling now, and kept the Titanic steaming quietly through the night we'd be in for a real rude awakening in a couple years when all the agencies knocked us down to single-A or lower simultaneously.

We've got Alan Greenspan being quoted as saying that the probability of American default is zero because we can always print money, and this is supposed to be comforting? The circus has only just begun...

You're partially correct. It was Reality that did it, the Reality that the batshit insane have too much influence over the process.

 

[sportage]

I predict the Tea Party and Co will get Perry through the primary, and he'll be trounced by Obama.

Im holding a prayer summit for this very thing. Calling it "Pray Away The Bastards".

www.FuckTheRepublicans.com
www.PerryIsAnAss.com
www.TeaBaggersBiteMe.com

😀 😀 😀 😀

 

[Jaskalas]

When will Anti-Conservatives put this country back on track?

What, Bush, McCain, Obama, Romney, and company aren't enough anti-conservative for you? We've got enough government dogs in Washington, it's just about filled to the hilt with good 'electable' men like them who pander unto others with the public treasury. Who believe in government before man.

Men who support all the wars, all the social programs, and all the patriot acts. Who stand by the TSA as they molest innocent people. Who are afraid of their own shadow and believe a good vacation for an American is GITMO as they wipe their !@# with the Bill of Rights.

No, Democrats and Republicans are all the anti-conservative I can stand.

Tea Party is the only thing liberal / libertarian enough to even remotely interest me, and they're failing / being corrupted pretty hard. If there's one thing they can do for me it's devour the GOP. Would you rather they not?

What the hell is wrong you with you? When your opponents are fighting amongst themselves you would do well to cheer them on, lest they unite and turn their attention back towards you. Divide and Conquer, look it up and tell your friends. Tell everyone, before they squash the only chance you have of getting rid of the GOP.

 

[halik]

I predict the Tea Party and Co will get Perry through the primary, and he'll be trounced by Obama.

It's the wrong stuff that makes the news. There's plenty of good in America, it just usually doesn't make as much media money.

No fucking way. Way too many of us, centerists, to let that happen. Mitt Romney will get the nomination and office.

 

[halik]

At AA+, American debt is still overrated. The tea party didn't cause the downgrade, reality did. It's better to get an early warning downgrade from one agency before the time it'll really move the bond market. If they had quietly raised the debt ceiling now, and kept the Titanic steaming quietly through the night we'd be in for a real rude awakening in a couple years when all the agencies knocked us down to single-A or lower simultaneously.

We've got Alan Greenspan being quoted as saying that the probability of American default is zero because we can always print money, and this is supposed to be comforting? The circus has only just begun...

Bull fucking shit. S&P said it themselves, it was the cluster fuck budget process and threat of default due to no tax loonies that did us in. $4T number was in the cards before that whole clusterfuck.

 

[JSt0rm]

Bull fucking shit. S&P said it themselves, it was the cluster fuck budget process and threat of default due to no tax loonies that did us in. $4T number was in the cards before that whole clusterfuck.

They like to revise events and paint things the way they want to see them. I can respect you halik, you are conservative but you see it how it is.

 

[irishScott]

No fucking way. Way too many of us, centerists, to let that happen. Mitt Romney will get the nomination and office.

How many centrists vote in the Republican primary again? I actually wouldn't mind Romney on the whole. He might partially sell out to the Democrats every now and then, but with a Republican congress that might be what we need.

 

[halik]

They like to revise events and paint things the way they want to see them. I can respect you halik, you are conservative but you see it how it is.

I consider myself a Libertarian, educated with Econ theory that was developed after the Ayn Rand nonsense. People like to twist reality to fit their dogma, I adjust my perspective based on empirical evidence.

 

[wuliheron]

What the fuck happened to common sense ideology in this country? I'm fucking sick and tired of the Christian conservative movement in this country. They stand for EVERYTHING that is wrong in this country today. Racism, hatred, intolerance, greed, stubbornness, and worst of all...downright stupidity. These people reject the very notion of an education, as if being enlightened is somehow a bad thing.

That is the common sense ideology in this country. Australia was founded by criminals, and the US was founded by every weird sect of Christianity nobody else wanted in Europe. Our founding fathers then invented fundamentalist Christianity and immediately bestowed upon it all the class, intellectualism, and tolerance of a professional wrestling match. When later waves of immigrants came here, they all swapped their crazy ideas. Religious tolerance and freedom was what it was all about and that means you have to tolerate a lot of intolerant religions.

However, that alone doesn't explain why the US is still so crazy and why of all the thriving democracies in the world today we are still by far the most religious. Recent studies on the subject suggest that the more classist and capitalistic the society, the more fundamentalist Christian. The two just seem to go together like flies on shit and are evidently just as difficult to separate.

Hence, the almost schizophrenic behavior of the last 30 years with the US expanding entitlements, yet concentrating the wealth as never before. Declaring war on crime, war on drugs, war on terrorism, etc., yet reducing racism, sexism, and other social inequalities. We've always had tremendous social problems and they've always been so overwhelming we've pretty much given up on addressing them unless an easy solution presents itself or we just can't ignore it any longer. Declaring war on the radical right is exactly what they would love the most. War is something they understand and fighting all the time is their preferred lifestyle. Usually given enough rope they either end up hanging themselves, eventually running out of steam, or declaring war anyway like a toddler who always throws tantrums to get what they want.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Christians, heathens... whatever. 🙄

Until someone realizes that we can't keep spending money like we have been. Until we realize that our priorities are completely fucked... things will only get worse. For a while... until our credit rating is complete shit and nobody will loan us money.

As with most addicts, you have to hit ROCK bottom before you acknowledge your problem. America (Congress) will not stop spending until there is nothing left to spend. And even that is optimistic... as they can always just print more money driving up inflation and making the dollar about as valuable as a sheet of toilet paper.

All this bickering about which party has the right answer is stupid. Both of them keep spending. Until someone wants to make REAL cuts and make a REAL effort to get our debt under control we're doomed. And by doomed I mean absolutely fucked.

 

[dmcowen674]

When will Anti-Conservatives put this country back on track?

As far as I can tell, the only people who are inflamed and DOING something about it are the nutjob conservative Tea Party folk. And thus far they've done a fine job of destroying this country's credit rating, tanking the stock market, and look poised to tackle dismantling the EPA next.

What the fuck happened to common sense ideology in this country? I'm fucking sick and tired of the Christian conservative movement in this country.

They stand for EVERYTHING that is wrong in this country today.
Racism, hatred, intolerance, greed, stubbornness, and worst of all...downright stupidity.

These people reject the very notion of an education, as if being enlightened is somehow a bad thing.

If anyone feels like I do I think we have to start taking a stand here and getting involved politically to put this last bastion of retardation back in the closet where it belongs. I don't know about you but I'm fucking sick and tired of seeing us have the same arguments over GLOBAL WARMING and EVOLUTION year after year. The rest of the civilized world is completely passing us by, and this country is going to deteriorate further and further if we don't do something.

It's time for the Christian Right to die a miserable political death in this country.

Otherwise, they will take this country straight into the shitter.

What? This is what they want. It is by design.

Didn't you hear Texas Governor Perry praying this weekend?

Haven't you been to church lately?

You will hear from the pulpit it is a sin to vote for the Liberal Democrats.

Stop sinning.

 

[Double Trouble]

As far as I can tell, the only people who are inflamed and DOING something about it are the nutjob conservative Tea Party folk. And thus far they've done a fine job of destroying this country's credit rating, tanking the stock market, and look poised to tackle dismantling the EPA next.

Wait wah?? The tea party destroyed the credit rating, it wasn't the 30 years of spending like drunken sailors without increasing revenue to match? Really, your vision is that clouded by hatred for all things conservative that you actually think the tea party is what is destroying the credit rating and tanking the stock market? Wow, you need help.

I'm fucking sick and tired of the Christian conservative movement in this country. They stand for EVERYTHING that is wrong in this country today.

And I'm sure they're sick and tired of you as well, and they think you (and people like you) stand for everything that's wrong in this country. So what?

It's time for the Christian Right to die a miserable political death in this country. Otherwise, they will take this country straight into the shitter.

I don't know if you were inappropriately touched by some Christian fundie or something as a kid, but you are delusional. While very vocal, the "Christian right" power in the country has actually been very limited over the past decade or two, and blaming them for the direction of the country is just as idiotic as rejecting evolution and so forth.

 

[Matt1970]

So what do you think going on spending money at the rate we were untill we can't even afford the interest payments on the debt would have done to our credit rating?

Here is what the S&P said:

The credit rating agency says that it is cutting the country's top AAA rating by one notch to AA-plus. The credit agency said late Friday that it is making the move because the deficit reduction plan passed by Congress on Tuesday did not go far enough to stabilize the country's debt situation and that the policymaking is not stable or effective as needed to address the current economic challenge.


S&P said in a statement that "the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011."


It added: "The outlook on the long-term rating is negative. We could lower the long-term rating to 'AA' within the next two years if we see that less reduction in spending than agreed to, higher interest rates, or new fiscal pressures during the period result in a higher general government debt trajectory than we currently assume in our base case."

Anyone want to tell me where I missed the part about taxes on the rich not being raised being the reason?

 

[Double Trouble]

Anyone want to tell me where I missed the part about taxes on the rich not being raised being the reason?

Only the left wing hacks and nut jobs could blame the tea party for the mess we're in.

It's really kind of sad. I turn on the TV and I see many on the right downright giddy over the downgrade because it gives them political ammunition in the next election and another reason to hate Obama. :thumbsdown: Then I see those on the left contort themselves into a pretzel trying to blame the conservatives and tea party for this mess. :thumbsdown:

I don't see any discussion of how to actually get out of this mess, just hollow hackery and partisan talking points. We're screwed.

 

[halik]

Only the left wing hacks and nut jobs could blame the tea party for the mess we're in.

It's really kind of sad. I turn on the TV and I see many on the right downright giddy over the downgrade because it gives them political ammunition in the next election and another reason to hate Obama. :thumbsdown: Then I see those on the left contort themselves into a pretzel trying to blame the conservatives and tea party for this mess. :thumbsdown:

I don't see any discussion of how to actually get out of this mess, just hollow hackery and partisan talking points. We're screwed.

The downgrade specifically is due to the Tea party mess.

Our fiscal policy is a slightly different story, but the S&P action itself is a direct result of their retardation. There was no sovereign issue before the washington clusterfuck; I can grab the treasury spreads and/or CDS data showing just that.

 

[novasatori]

Anyone want to tell me where I missed the part about taxes on the rich not being raised being the reason?

http://www.ft.com/cms/af2c4fac-bfc2-11e0-90d5-00144feabdc0.pdf

Page 4:

Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.

 

[Double Trouble]

The downgrade specifically is due to the Tea party mess.

The downgrade was an inevitable result of deficit spending with no effective action taken to fix anything. The tea party, if anything, helped push for a reduction in spending. Sure, they showed how screwed up DC is, which hastened the downgrade, but they aren't the reason for the downgrade, they are the spotlight that illuminated the mess. The reasons for the downgrade are much more fundamental and long term in nature than some small group of members of the house that emerged last year.

 

[halik]

The downgrade was an inevitable result of deficit spending with no effective action taken to fix anything. The tea party, if anything, helped push for a reduction in spending. Sure, they showed how screwed up DC is, which hastened the downgrade, but they aren't the reason for the downgrade, they are the spotlight that illuminated the mess. The reasons for the downgrade are much more fundamental and long term in nature than some small group of members of the house that emerged last year.

No it was not, AAA was reaffirmed in April of this year with negative outlook. S&P was looking for 4T of cuts, instead they got some hacky solution because a small minority of representatives couldn't compromise. It had very little do with actual debt level, debt to gdp or debt coverage ratio.


http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/04/18/sp-slashes-outlook-negative-amid-soaring-debt/

“We believe there is a material risk that U.S. policymakers might not reach an agreement on how to address medium- and long-term budgetary challenges by 2013; if an agreement is not reached and meaningful implementation is not begun by then, this would in our view render the U.S. fiscal profile meaningfully weaker than that of peer 'AAA' sovereigns,” S&P said in the statement

Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...ook-negative-amid-soaring-debt/#ixzz1UQzgxmi5

Market data from the period demonstrate the very same - spreads didn't move until the DC clusterfuck.

 

[Double Trouble]

No it was not, AAA was reaffirmed in April of this year with negative outlook. S&P was looking for 4T of cuts, instead they got some hacky solution because a small minority of representatives couldn't compromise. It had very little do with actual debt level, debt to gdp or debt coverage ratio.


http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/04/18/sp-slashes-outlook-negative-amid-soaring-debt/

Exactly, the tea party just provided a better illustration of how screwed up DC is. Without them, there would have likely been no cuts (the debt ceiling usually goes up without any changes to budgets), and the S&P certainly would not have seen the 4T in cuts they envision were needed. In other words, the downgrade might have just taken a little bit longer to take place, but they were inevitable because they are the result of systemic problems. Blaming the tea party for problems that have been growing for decades is idiotic.

 

[halik]

Exactly, the tea party just provided a better illustration of how screwed up DC is. Without them, there would have likely been no cuts (the debt ceiling usually goes up without any changes to budgets), and the S&P certainly would not have seen the 4T in cuts they envision were needed. In other words, the downgrade might have just taken a little bit longer to take place, but they were inevitable because they are the result of systemic problems. Blaming the tea party for problems that have been growing for decades is idiotic.

Bullshit, Gang of six plan was $4T. There was a solution and no sovereign issue.


You're parroting a dogmatic position w/o any empirics.

 

[trenchfoot]

Tea Party: The spoiled brat orphan kids that were taken in by their repub foster parents, who then proceeded to embarrass their foster parents by insisting that they get their way no matter how much their foster parents pleaded, cajoled, tickled, spanked and scolded.

The more their parents tried to discipline them, the louder and screechier and demanding and stubborn and defiant they got.....until, like any spoiled brat knows what to expect, they got their way....from EVERYBODY, including their woosie Dem neighbors living across the street.

Along comes the land tax appraisers from S&P with landlords in tow, telling them all that because of the ruckus, disturbance and damage their neighborhood was causing to themselves, they and their adjoining neighborhoods were going to see their properties devalued immediately.

And; if the parents of the spoiled brat foster children did not get control over them, their properties would be further devalued until control was attained.

C'mon parent repubs, get yer spoiled brat kids to behave like normal children. They're ruining my property value.