Well that's all nice for you guys. I suppose I'm just a clean freak and close windows after I'm done with them (like the pics you mention... open --> look --> close --> next pic click). Open in new tab = extra effort. Not to mention alt-tab is faster than point/click and ctrl-tab put together. And If you want to talk about saving RAM, then how is closing when done not the best way to do it ?Originally posted by: drag
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: rh71
TB is so overrated. I tried 20 million times to see the benefits but it doesn't... benefit. I don't know why people have more than 5 browser windows open at the same time in the first place. I guess that's my problem.
Ever opened a thread with 10 or so pics in it?
Try looking at all the pics with IE, it'll be great fun.
Now, use FF, open up the pics in background tabs by middle clicking, finish reading the thread while the pics load, then look at all the pics that have been loading.
I can be 99% sure FF will be quicker to do this with.
Definately. When I peruse a website and I come across many things that are interesting I open them up in tabs. Otherwise in something like IE I would have to open a dozen different windows, or I would have to read thru each section then hit back back back and start on a new section. It's such a nice convenience.
Or when I am reading a post and I need to look up something in google I just hit ctrl-t and do a quick search then if I find what I like I read it and if I want back to the original page I just hit ctrl-w and I am back at it automaticly, even when I have many other non-browser windows that I am switching back and forth from.
Have you ever used the RSS feed option on Firefox? On my bookmarks toolbar I have a half a dozen or so menus from different websites that are updated via RSS feeds. For instance if you open up www.anandtech.com you'll notice that you have a little orange icon pop up in the lower right hand corner of the screen. If you click on it you have the option to bookmark one or 2 rss feeds from anandtech (new news, or new articles).
What I do when I get on my computer I open up the browser, go thru the various feeds and open interesting looking articles in tab after tab after tab thru middle clicking. Then I just read thru them and close out them as I finish. It's quick, easy, efficient and tabs make it easy to keep everything originized.
I suppose I'm just a clean freak and close windows after I'm done with them (like the pics you mention... open --> look --> close --> next pic click). Open in new tab = extra effort
Not to mention alt-tab is faster than point/click and ctrl-tab put together. And If you want to talk about saving RAM, then how is closing when done not the best way to do it ?
Comparison shopping is the best I could come up with... more than 3-5 windows ? You need to learn better ways to get your information so you're not all over the place, IMO.
- memory is an argument FF tab users use against IE "because tabs use less memory than more windows". I agree with what you said... I don't care even IF extra IE windows use an extra 50MB of RAM these days.Originally posted by: Nothinman
I suppose I'm just a clean freak and close windows after I'm done with them (like the pics you mention... open --> look --> close --> next pic click). Open in new tab = extra effort
There's no extra effort, you middle-click instead of single-click and instead of looking at them one at a time and switching back and forth between the links page and the pics you click on all the pics you want and then look at them all at once.
Not to mention alt-tab is faster than point/click and ctrl-tab put together. And If you want to talk about saving RAM, then how is closing when done not the best way to do it ?
I don't use ctrl+tab, I use my mouse. When I close one tab the tabs shift over one so I don't have to move my mouse to click through all of the images. And alt+tab is only faster if the order is known, if you end up doing something else and changing the alt+tab order you end up doing it multiple times or very slowly trying to figure out which window you want.
And who cares about saving memory? Memory is cheap and free memory is wasted memory.
Comparison shopping is the best I could come up with... more than 3-5 windows ? You need to learn better ways to get your information so you're not all over the place, IMO.
Just because we like having lots of tabs doesn't mean we have related information in them. I currently have 1 window with 14 tabs open with some forums, some news sites, some work related sites, etc.
... which, BTW, FF [stole] also.Originally posted by: oboeguy
I'll be honest, the one thing I like most about IE is Ctrl+Enter, which I suppose is probably not all the important anyway.
Originally posted by: rh71
- memory is an argument FF tab users use against IE "because tabs use less memory than more windows". I agree with what you said... I don't care even IF extra IE windows use an extra 50MB of RAM these days.Originally posted by: Nothinman
I suppose I'm just a clean freak and close windows after I'm done with them (like the pics you mention... open --> look --> close --> next pic click). Open in new tab = extra effort
There's no extra effort, you middle-click instead of single-click and instead of looking at them one at a time and switching back and forth between the links page and the pics you click on all the pics you want and then look at them all at once.
Not to mention alt-tab is faster than point/click and ctrl-tab put together. And If you want to talk about saving RAM, then how is closing when done not the best way to do it ?
I don't use ctrl+tab, I use my mouse. When I close one tab the tabs shift over one so I don't have to move my mouse to click through all of the images. And alt+tab is only faster if the order is known, if you end up doing something else and changing the alt+tab order you end up doing it multiple times or very slowly trying to figure out which window you want.
And who cares about saving memory? Memory is cheap and free memory is wasted memory.
Comparison shopping is the best I could come up with... more than 3-5 windows ? You need to learn better ways to get your information so you're not all over the place, IMO.
Just because we like having lots of tabs doesn't mean we have related information in them. I currently have 1 window with 14 tabs open with some forums, some news sites, some work related sites, etc.
- How many of those 14 tabs do you actually need now ? This is what I'm trying to understand. I have one set of eyes and concentrate on one thing at a time. When I'm done with it, I close the window. If I need to get back to it for some reason (and 99% of the time I don't see why I would), I use bookmarks because I will close browser windows, just like I close any other app when I'm done with it. Do you not ?
Do you NEED tabbed browsing ?
One other thought - even when doing web-dev... 3 browser windows, max.
I'm justand need to understand this hype.
When you close Firefox, you will lose the pages. Hence, you need bookmarks. Do you just never close FF ? 14 tabs ? For when ? Is that why you need all those tabs open there for you ?Originally posted by: drag
How many bookmarks do you have? Do you NEED those bookmarks? After all you don't need them their to open and view webpages.
I mean you can always just search for the webpage or memorize the URLs. I just don't understand the hype.
(hint: think of tabs as temporary bookmarks.)
Oh wait, didn't IE steal the idea behind bookmarks?
- How many of those 14 tabs do you actually need now ? This is what I'm trying to understand. I have one set of eyes and concentrate on one thing at a time. When I'm done with it, I close the window. If I need to get back to it for some reason (and 99% of the time I don't see why I would), I use bookmarks because I will close browser windows, just like I close any other app when I'm done with it. Do you not ?
Do you NEED tabbed browsing ?
... which, BTW, FF [stole] also.
When you close Firefox, you will lose the pages. Hence, you need bookmarks. Do you just never close FF ? Is that why you need all those tabs open there for you ?
but the difference is - FF is made out to be this "revolutionary" browser when all it does is simply improve upon pre-existing ideas
I don't know anyone that called IE revolutionary or even hyped it to the degree that "technical professionals" are doing.
Realistically, the 2 advantages I see are: 1) slightly faster page rendering and 2) less known security exploits
You're right. I shouldn't be deciding that. Like nothingman said, he got by without them. But need is a matter of necessity.Originally posted by: housecat
So who are you to decide that we "NEED" bookmarks, but dont need tabs?
You probably agreed with 3dfx's Scott Sellars when he said how we didnt NEED 32bit color!
Yeah!!! Lets listen to you guys!
wow all this from an arguement over TABBED BROWSING and its practical uses ? Really... ask yourself if this is really that revolutionary to our browsing ways and how has it made your life that much easier. That's all I'm out to discover. FF users are so high on... something.Originally posted by: housecat
bottom line is you are part of the past.. think of yourself and your thinking as a dinosaur.. becasue that is your equivalent.
Originally posted by: rh71
When you close Firefox, you will lose the pages. Hence, you need bookmarks. Do you just never close FF ? 14 tabs ? For when ? Is that why you need all those tabs open there for you ?Originally posted by: drag
How many bookmarks do you have? Do you NEED those bookmarks? After all you don't need them their to open and view webpages.
I mean you can always just search for the webpage or memorize the URLs. I just don't understand the hype.
(hint: think of tabs as temporary bookmarks.)
Oh wait, didn't IE steal the idea behind bookmarks?
And don't be ridiculous, you can't memorize all the URLs - that wasn't a remotely good attempt.
Really... ask yourself if this is really that revolutionary to our browsing ways and how has it made your life that much easier
You can stop right there. I already have my dream job. Started 5 years ago right out of college. You are reading me completely wrong - call me a dinosaur all you like - I will continue to shake my head in astonishment and frustration. The next words you're going to throw at me are "forward thinker" or "outside the box" right ?Originally posted by: housecat
The thing is, i'd never hire rh71 because in this fast paced and changing world of technology you must adapt.
The next words you're going to throw at me are "forward thinker" or "outside the box" right ?
Gimmick.