When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is my favorite quote of all time for the idiocy of it. Its logical progression states we should have no laws because those who are naughty won't follow them anyway.

Yes I enjoy this one. Kind of like 'all illegal immigrants are criminals' (because they're illegal).

Well duh...

Edit - look it works for other things, too:

When you outlaw sex in the shower, only outlaws will have sex in the shower!

Sex in the shower cannot be used to kill me. Do you want the only people in America to have gun be police officers or criminals? An armed man is a citizen, a unarmed man is a subject. I dont trust my local law enforcement that much, there are spread way too thin. I do trust that I am an exceptional shot and if you try to hurt me or anyone I love you better pray to god I am not armed.

I completely support CCPs, I currently live in WI and cant get one but there is always a weapon handy in my vehicle. I was shot at once when I was 15, my first job was with my uncle putting up fences and decks, one job was in the ghetto and the homeowner started beating his wife/gf. My uncle grabbed something and went after him(small crowbar i think), chased him off property. Then we called the police but they took forever to come, Im assuming because the situation seemed to be under control. About 10-15 min later he can back with a 10-22 and started zipping rounds at us, thank god he was too drunk to hit anyone. God forbid this happens again, I dont want things to be left to chance, Im going to return fire if at all possible.

And the only reason the shooter left was that another neighbor came ouside yelling with a shotgun The shooter was arrested with a partial brick of 500 rounds and two full clips in his jeans pocket, good thing a legal gun owner was there to end the shooting before clip #2 was loaded.

Back on topic, why would you restrict CC on campus? I can understand restricting weapons in the dorms, too often are dorms subject to theft, everyone keeps their doors open/unlocked where I go to school. Also there is a large amount of drinking in the dorms, plus 2-8 guys per dorm depending on the school the other five dont need access to student #1's firearm.

Princeofwands keep us posted on how your refusal to disarm goes, I admire your stance.

Night everyone.

You admire the stance of someone who's trying enforce a right that pretty clearly doesn't apply.

In that case 'I admire the solidarity with which you each piss into the wind'.😉

Your love for guns has clouded your judgment and made you see bogeymen where there are none - I said nothing in the post you replied to except that the title of the thread is silly.

Doesnt apply to what?

I see bogeymen that arent there? What the hell do you call the shooting at VT? What about the man who shot at me? There are shootings everyday, home invasions everyday, rape everyday. I personally would rather not be helplessly led to the slaughter. Concealed carry permit holder commit less crime than police every year. Why do you have a problem with concealed carry? Has your fear of an inanimate object clouded your judgment?

You made fun of OPs title,yet noone cares if only outlaws have sex in the shower. Pull your head out of your ass, theres nothing wrong with the title. My first paragraph was directed towards you, the rest was a reply to the whole thread.

When did I say I have a problem with concealed carry?

I would say that to some extent my views on this have changed to be more permissive of people carrying firearms in public, not less. That doesn't change the fact that trying to construe a protected right to carry on campus is ridiculous. If you can convince a public college that this is a good idea, then more power to you, but it is not a protected right, because access to publicly owned property is not protected. You aren't allowed in a class without paying (or having permission to sit in), you can be expelled, you pay to live in residence... there's simply no 'protected access' here, and therefore no protected right to carry, that's all I'm saying.

The bogeyman I was refering to is me. You came in with a knee-jerk response to what you construed as me trying to take away your beloved gun. It makes you look much less intelligent than you probably are in reality.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I don't. I have no need to enter the oval office. Furthermore there are armed men pretty much throughout the building of the highest skill level and the best security systems on the planet. That's safe.

The college I spend 12 hours a day at, 4 days a week, has 1 patrolling armed officer on duty for the entire campus. There is no security, there are almost no cameras, there is no access control. That's not safe.

If you're referring only to the ability to carry onto arguably 'public' property I again point out that it's safe there. If the government or school would like to assign an armed guard to accompany me, or spend the billion or so dollars to make the campus the most secure facility on the west coast, then I'm fine with that. Otherwise just let me do what I already do everywhere else.

Not the point, you're saying that you believe you should be allowed to carry at school, but you're also confusing this with a claim that you have a protected right to carry at school, which is clearly and absolutely incorrect.

If you think you should be permitted to carry, then keep up your crusade, but understand that whatever story you try to spin, it is permission you seek, not 'enforcement of a right'. You'll go a lot farther, and sound a lot less like a nut once you realize this.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: kurt454
I work for the Campus Police in a large Community College. I am FOR the allowing of students, with a permit, to carry a weapon inside of classrooms. The sad fact is, the police can not save you, in most situations. We respond after the fact. Those poor students at VT were fish in a barrel. One armed student with the will to defend his or herself, may have drastically lowered the body count.

QFT! Very well said and exactly right!

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: kurt454
I work for the Campus Police in a large Community College. I am FOR the allowing of students, with a permit, to carry a weapon inside of classrooms. The sad fact is, the police can not save you, in most situations. We respond after the fact. Those poor students at VT were fish in a barrel. One armed student with the will to defend his or herself, may have drastically lowered the body count.

QFT! Very well said and exactly right!

No no no he would have missed and shot up even more students. Plus, he would have gotten mad at his professor for giving him a B- on his biology report and would just want to pull out that gun and shoot him. Afterall, humans naturally have the impulse to pull out a gun and shoot people when they get mad, so if we don't let them carry a gun, they won't be able to act out on their murderous impulses.

/sarcasm

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: kurt454
I work for the Campus Police in a large Community College. I am FOR the allowing of students, with a permit, to carry a weapon inside of classrooms. The sad fact is, the police can not save you, in most situations. We respond after the fact. Those poor students at VT were fish in a barrel. One armed student with the will to defend his or herself, may have drastically lowered the body count.

QFT! Very well said and exactly right!

No no no he would have missed and shot up even more students. Plus, he would have gotten mad at his professor for giving him a B- on his biology report and would just want to pull out that gun and shoot him. Afterall, humans naturally have the impulse to pull out a gun and shoot people when they get mad, so if we don't let them carry a gun, they won't be able to act out on their murderous impulses.

/sarcasm

LOL!

what's sad, though, is that many people believe that would be the case... thankfully, facts and statistics prove otherwise.

 

[umbrella39]

I still like someone's idea that anyone who commits a crime, any crime with a gun, be put to death or at least lose a hand. That might cut down on crime, no pun intended.

 

[bluestrobe]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
I still like someone's idea that anyone who commits a crime, any crime with a gun, be put to death or at least lose a hand. That might cut down on crime, no pun intended.

That would just give the criminals the motivation and drive to hurt more or kill more to avoid being caught. You aready have deadly high speed chases resulting from a simple traffic ticket.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
I still like someone's idea that anyone who commits a crime, any crime with a gun, be put to death or at least lose a hand. That might cut down on crime, no pun intended.

Sounds good to me personally, but the Constitution is a all or nothing deal, and cruel and unusual punishment is also in the Bill of Rights, so no can do.

You can't just pick the rights you like and discard the others or ignore the ones you don't like. Thats what liberals do 😀

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: umbrella39
I still like someone's idea that anyone who commits a crime, any crime with a gun, be put to death or at least lose a hand. That might cut down on crime, no pun intended.

Sounds good to me personally, but the Constitution is a all or nothing deal, and cruel and unusual punishment is also in the Bill of Rights, so no can do.

You can't just pick the rights you like and discard the others or ignore the ones you don't like. Thats what liberals do 😀

I'm with you right up until the last sentence.

The thing that gets the anti-gun folks, and other assorted 'Liberals' riled up more than anything, is that there's a substantial number of true 'gun nuts' out there who literally care about nothing - not air elections, not freedom of speech, not the PATRIOT act, nothing to do with politics or rights, except 'are they going to try to take my gun'. I would place this number at about 1 in 20 'Republicans' (they're all Republicans, which I suppose makes sense). Not a lot, but enough that everyone knows someone like that. There's a few people on here who are pretty close to that viewpoint.

The econd amendment is kind of a big deal, but it's not nearly as big a deal as the first, and it's certainly not the only thing that matters in all of America. You really do suffer from having such a gun-obsessed culture.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: bluestrobe

Originally posted by: umbrella39
I still like someone's idea that anyone who commits a crime, any crime with a gun, be put to death or at least lose a hand. That might cut down on crime, no pun intended.

That would just give the criminals the motivation and drive to hurt more or kill more to avoid being caught.

You aready have deadly high speed chases resulting from a simple traffic ticket.

Everyone on here has the focus all wrong.

There is nothing "simple" about a traffic ticket anymore, it's become "high stakes" for little people.

One traffic stop can take an ordinary person busting their working butt off the road because of the costs of just one traffic stop.

 

[FDF12389]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is my favorite quote of all time for the idiocy of it. Its logical progression states we should have no laws because those who are naughty won't follow them anyway.

Yes I enjoy this one. Kind of like 'all illegal immigrants are criminals' (because they're illegal).

Well duh...

Edit - look it works for other things, too:

When you outlaw sex in the shower, only outlaws will have sex in the shower!

Sex in the shower cannot be used to kill me. Do you want the only people in America to have gun be police officers or criminals? An armed man is a citizen, a unarmed man is a subject. I dont trust my local law enforcement that much, there are spread way too thin. I do trust that I am an exceptional shot and if you try to hurt me or anyone I love you better pray to god I am not armed.

I completely support CCPs, I currently live in WI and cant get one but there is always a weapon handy in my vehicle. I was shot at once when I was 15, my first job was with my uncle putting up fences and decks, one job was in the ghetto and the homeowner started beating his wife/gf. My uncle grabbed something and went after him(small crowbar i think), chased him off property. Then we called the police but they took forever to come, Im assuming because the situation seemed to be under control. About 10-15 min later he can back with a 10-22 and started zipping rounds at us, thank god he was too drunk to hit anyone. God forbid this happens again, I dont want things to be left to chance, Im going to return fire if at all possible.

And the only reason the shooter left was that another neighbor came ouside yelling with a shotgun The shooter was arrested with a partial brick of 500 rounds and two full clips in his jeans pocket, good thing a legal gun owner was there to end the shooting before clip #2 was loaded.

Back on topic, why would you restrict CC on campus? I can understand restricting weapons in the dorms, too often are dorms subject to theft, everyone keeps their doors open/unlocked where I go to school. Also there is a large amount of drinking in the dorms, plus 2-8 guys per dorm depending on the school the other five dont need access to student #1's firearm.

Princeofwands keep us posted on how your refusal to disarm goes, I admire your stance.

Night everyone.

You admire the stance of someone who's trying enforce a right that pretty clearly doesn't apply.

In that case 'I admire the solidarity with which you each piss into the wind'.😉

Your love for guns has clouded your judgment and made you see bogeymen where there are none - I said nothing in the post you replied to except that the title of the thread is silly.

Doesnt apply to what?

I see bogeymen that arent there? What the hell do you call the shooting at VT? What about the man who shot at me? There are shootings everyday, home invasions everyday, rape everyday. I personally would rather not be helplessly led to the slaughter. Concealed carry permit holder commit less crime than police every year. Why do you have a problem with concealed carry? Has your fear of an inanimate object clouded your judgment?

You made fun of OPs title,yet noone cares if only outlaws have sex in the shower. Pull your head out of your ass, theres nothing wrong with the title. My first paragraph was directed towards you, the rest was a reply to the whole thread.

When did I say I have a problem with concealed carry?

I would say that to some extent my views on this have changed to be more permissive of people carrying firearms in public, not less. That doesn't change the fact that trying to construe a protected right to carry on campus is ridiculous. If you can convince a public college that this is a good idea, then more power to you, but it is not a protected right, because access to publicly owned property is not protected. You aren't allowed in a class without paying (or having permission to sit in), you can be expelled, you pay to live in residence... there's simply no 'protected access' here, and therefore no protected right to carry, that's all I'm saying.

The bogeyman I was refering to is me. You came in with a knee-jerk response to what you construed as me trying to take away your beloved gun. It makes you look much less intelligent than you probably are in reality.

Ok, I understand your point now. I confused you with another poster who is anti-gun, so with that perception in mind I misconstrued your posts. Sorry. That bogeyman comment really got me going, but you can probably see where that was easily confused as you didnt really specify.

As to your point, should CCW be allowed at walmart? If you answer yes then why wouldn't you agree to allow CCW on campus? Walmart sells a deliverable, so does the college. Anyone can walk into walmart without making a purchase, same with the college. You can walk into a Virginia library with a CCW, so why not a state college? It really makes no sense to ban CCWs from state Universities.

I do not love my gun, I love my freedom.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: umbrella39
I still like someone's idea that anyone who commits a crime, any crime with a gun, be put to death or at least lose a hand. That might cut down on crime, no pun intended.

Sounds good to me personally, but the Constitution is a all or nothing deal, and cruel and unusual punishment is also in the Bill of Rights, so no can do.

You can't just pick the rights you like and discard the others or ignore the ones you don't like. Thats what liberals do 😀

I'm with you right up until the last sentence.

The thing that gets the anti-gun folks, and other assorted 'Liberals' riled up more than anything, is that there's a substantial number of true 'gun nuts' out there who literally care about nothing - not air elections, not freedom of speech, not the PATRIOT act, nothing to do with politics or rights, except 'are they going to try to take my gun'. I would place this number at about 1 in 20 'Republicans' (they're all Republicans, which I suppose makes sense). Not a lot, but enough that everyone knows someone like that. There's a few people on here who are pretty close to that viewpoint.

The econd amendment is kind of a big deal, but it's not nearly as big a deal as the first, and it's certainly not the only thing that matters in all of America. You really do suffer from having such a gun-obsessed culture.

It was when I started to own my own guns that I actually started voting, paying attention to politics, understanding and respecting our constitution in it's entirety, etc.

There really is no need for democrats or republicans, liberals or conservatives and this silly political pendulum. The only thing required of our government is spelled out in the constitution. Everything else is either up to the states as long as it doesn't violate the constitution, and everything else we are free to uphold in our own communities of people with similar interests.

Why people can't live with their own decisions without making others do what they do is beyond me. I've said it over and over. If you don't like guns, don't buy any. Don't like abortion, don't get one. etc.

As for public places, if someone is uncomfortable or scared because I have a gun clearly visible on my body, tough. Some people scare me with some of the things they are allowed to spout off in public places under the guise of free speech. Again, tough.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is my favorite quote of all time for the idiocy of it. Its logical progression states we should have no laws because those who are naughty won't follow them anyway.

Yes I enjoy this one. Kind of like 'all illegal immigrants are criminals' (because they're illegal).

Well duh...

Edit - look it works for other things, too:

When you outlaw sex in the shower, only outlaws will have sex in the shower!

Sex in the shower cannot be used to kill me. Do you want the only people in America to have gun be police officers or criminals? An armed man is a citizen, a unarmed man is a subject. I dont trust my local law enforcement that much, there are spread way too thin. I do trust that I am an exceptional shot and if you try to hurt me or anyone I love you better pray to god I am not armed.

I completely support CCPs, I currently live in WI and cant get one but there is always a weapon handy in my vehicle. I was shot at once when I was 15, my first job was with my uncle putting up fences and decks, one job was in the ghetto and the homeowner started beating his wife/gf. My uncle grabbed something and went after him(small crowbar i think), chased him off property. Then we called the police but they took forever to come, Im assuming because the situation seemed to be under control. About 10-15 min later he can back with a 10-22 and started zipping rounds at us, thank god he was too drunk to hit anyone. God forbid this happens again, I dont want things to be left to chance, Im going to return fire if at all possible.

And the only reason the shooter left was that another neighbor came ouside yelling with a shotgun The shooter was arrested with a partial brick of 500 rounds and two full clips in his jeans pocket, good thing a legal gun owner was there to end the shooting before clip #2 was loaded.

Back on topic, why would you restrict CC on campus? I can understand restricting weapons in the dorms, too often are dorms subject to theft, everyone keeps their doors open/unlocked where I go to school. Also there is a large amount of drinking in the dorms, plus 2-8 guys per dorm depending on the school the other five dont need access to student #1's firearm.

Princeofwands keep us posted on how your refusal to disarm goes, I admire your stance.

Night everyone.

You admire the stance of someone who's trying enforce a right that pretty clearly doesn't apply.

In that case 'I admire the solidarity with which you each piss into the wind'.😉

Your love for guns has clouded your judgment and made you see bogeymen where there are none - I said nothing in the post you replied to except that the title of the thread is silly.

Doesnt apply to what?

I see bogeymen that arent there? What the hell do you call the shooting at VT? What about the man who shot at me? There are shootings everyday, home invasions everyday, rape everyday. I personally would rather not be helplessly led to the slaughter. Concealed carry permit holder commit less crime than police every year. Why do you have a problem with concealed carry? Has your fear of an inanimate object clouded your judgment?

You made fun of OPs title,yet noone cares if only outlaws have sex in the shower. Pull your head out of your ass, theres nothing wrong with the title. My first paragraph was directed towards you, the rest was a reply to the whole thread.

When did I say I have a problem with concealed carry?

I would say that to some extent my views on this have changed to be more permissive of people carrying firearms in public, not less. That doesn't change the fact that trying to construe a protected right to carry on campus is ridiculous. If you can convince a public college that this is a good idea, then more power to you, but it is not a protected right, because access to publicly owned property is not protected. You aren't allowed in a class without paying (or having permission to sit in), you can be expelled, you pay to live in residence... there's simply no 'protected access' here, and therefore no protected right to carry, that's all I'm saying.

The bogeyman I was refering to is me. You came in with a knee-jerk response to what you construed as me trying to take away your beloved gun. It makes you look much less intelligent than you probably are in reality.

Ok, I understand your point now. I confused you with another poster who is anti-gun, so with that perception in mind I misconstrued your posts. Sorry. That bogeyman comment really got me going, but you can probably see where that was easily confused as you didnt really specify.

As to your point, should CCW be allowed at walmart? If you answer yes then why wouldn't you agree to allow CCW on campus? Walmart sells a deliverable, so does the college. Anyone can walk into walmart without making a purchase, same with the college. You can walk into a Virginia library with a CCW, so why not a state college? It really makes no sense to ban CCWs from state Universities.

I do not love my gun, I love my freedom.

I open carry in Walmart, banks, pretty much everywhere in Arizona where the possession of a deadly weapon isn't prohibited (the usual polling places, court rooms, etc.). 😀

There are a few businesses that do have signs posted enforcing a no weapons policy with proper citing to the Arizona statue that gives private property owners the right to do so. But hey, it's private property, they can do what they want. I don't have to go there if I have a problem with it. A public institution like a university? Hmm... don't know how to feel about that from the property rights perspective since it's a combination of public and private interests involved.

But when it's an arbitrary government mandate, neither the property owner nor the persons carrying firearms have any power to influence that policy, and that is a problem.

For example, Arizona has passed by popular vote, and in the congress, to lift the restrictions on carrying in establishments serving alcohol so normal people like myself don't have to leave my sidearm in the car while eating at Applebees. Even if you aren't drinking. The people support it. Most business owners support it, as they still retain the right to choose for themselves with a simple sign.

It's gotten to the governors desk three times and shes vetoed it every time by single handedly abusing her power to stand in defiance against everyone else in Arizona. WTF is that all about?

Really though, people need to get over their fear of guns. I'm sick and tired of a picture of a gun being shown on the TV every time someone is talking about crime, even when guns aren't involved! It's a hunk of metal that contains miniature explosions to propel an object, much like the larger hunk of metal that serves the same purpose which you drive around town in. That hunk of metal you drive is one of the leading causes of death in the country and dwarfs ALL homicides, not just gun related ones, by a factor of at least 20.

Ban guns and we will have car bombs to contend with, if you ignore the fact that there will be guns anyway.

250,000,000 people?
200,000,000 guns?
~40,000 auto accident deaths every year?
~12,000 gun related homicides every year?

0.0048% of the population is murdered with guns.
The number of homicides is 0.006% of the number of guns in the country.

Yeah, we have such a problem with guns. :roll:

The only reason it seems that way is because the media associates guns with crime and sensationalizes it, but they don't glorify things like auto accidents. You don't see personified evil looking cars with 'no smoking' signs over them on the screen and hear the news casters using emotional words like 'gruesome' and 'horrific' every time they report a motor vehicle accident. They don't show pictures and talk about a highway accident 24/7 and plaster it on your TV screen for week or more. As a result we accept that auto accident deaths are a fact of life and the risk we take every time with start our cars. If they did, and you didn't have a car but all you heard was how bad they were, would you feel the same way about cars?

So why the hysteria over guns?

You want to talk about preventable senseless deaths? I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find 12 people who die every year from senseless deaths resulting from overly sharpened pencils. Are we going to start a crusade against pencils?

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Well well. Turns out my hunch was correct.

NOT an outlaw.

Better gun control laws may indeed have helped since it is still too easy to get a gun in Virginia.

WTF are you talking about? He was a foreign national with illegally-obtained guns carrying in a "no-carry" area.

Is it another one of your arguments that stricter traffic laws against speeding would prevent illegal immigrants without drivers licenses and insurance from getting into traffic accidents?

Haha, pwned.

Haha, pwned yourself you fools. Turns out he is a legal resident and bought the guns legally.

I didn't say he was an illegal, I just implied that the fact he was a foreign national dispelled the "culture of fear" nonsense the anti-gun authoritarians spread.

And legally purchased guns with scratched-off serial numbers? :roll:

Nor does any of that change my main point, which was that he was illegally carrying those firearms for the express purpose of mass murder. Yeah, he was really concerned about the law!

You're the biggest elitist tool on these forums, marin. Why do you hate children so much?

I am proud to be called the "biggest elitist tool on these forums" by the most deranged, angry poster on these forums.
All I did was point out that you are WRONG AGAIN, and the shooter acquired his weapons legally, in accordance with Virginia law.
I seriously hope you are not a gun owner, I suggest you seek some help for your mental problems before you snap.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Well well. Turns out my hunch was correct.

NOT an outlaw.

Better gun control laws may indeed have helped since it is still too easy to get a gun in Virginia.

WTF are you talking about? He was a foreign national with illegally-obtained guns carrying in a "no-carry" area.

Is it another one of your arguments that stricter traffic laws against speeding would prevent illegal immigrants without drivers licenses and insurance from getting into traffic accidents?

Haha, pwned.

Haha, pwned yourself you fools. Turns out he is a legal resident and bought the guns legally.

I didn't say he was an illegal, I just implied that the fact he was a foreign national dispelled the "culture of fear" nonsense the anti-gun authoritarians spread.

And legally purchased guns with scratched-off serial numbers? :roll:

Nor does any of that change my main point, which was that he was illegally carrying those firearms for the express purpose of mass murder. Yeah, he was really concerned about the law!

You're the biggest elitist tool on these forums, marin. Why do you hate children so much?

I am proud to be called the "biggest elitist tool on these forums" by the most deranged, angry poster on these forums.
All I did was point out that you are WRONG AGAIN, and the shooter acquired his weapons legally, in accordance with Virginia law.
I seriously hope you are not a gun owner, I suggest you seek some help for your mental problems before you snap.

So they were legally purchased and now we have that information from an ongoing case. So... legally purchased over a month ago. And? Are you in favor of locking up every individual and stripping away people of their rights, presuming them guilty until proven innocent or trustworthy and sending the thought police out to get anyone who thinks a bad thought or acts funny?

The price we pay for living in a free society is the real fact that some people will abuse that freedom from time to time and others will suffer from one errant individuals actions. Is it worth living in a authoritarian police state like the 3rd world where you can be searched or thrown in jail or executed for any reason to avoid isolated incidents like this, which will happen anyway?

The left's coveted Brady Bill would still have failed. Of course this leads to the punch line: SO NOW WE SHOULD BAN ALL GUNS THEY ARE EVIL!!!! right?

And what's with someone else being disturbed, deranged, and needing 'professional help' because, in your insignificant personal opinion, they are wrong?

I suppose a kid who punches a bully in the face after being beat up for the 3rd time is disturbed and in need of help right? People that would say yes to that question are what is wrong with our society and why nobody has respect for others lives and property anymore. No consequences = Be carefree and do whatever you want.

Be gone with your illogical emotional rhetoric.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Well well. Turns out my hunch was correct.

NOT an outlaw.

Better gun control laws may indeed have helped since it is still too easy to get a gun in Virginia.

WTF are you talking about? He was a foreign national with illegally-obtained guns carrying in a "no-carry" area.

Is it another one of your arguments that stricter traffic laws against speeding would prevent illegal immigrants without drivers licenses and insurance from getting into traffic accidents?

Haha, pwned.

Haha, pwned yourself you fools. Turns out he is a legal resident and bought the guns legally.

I didn't say he was an illegal, I just implied that the fact he was a foreign national dispelled the "culture of fear" nonsense the anti-gun authoritarians spread.

And legally purchased guns with scratched-off serial numbers? :roll:

Nor does any of that change my main point, which was that he was illegally carrying those firearms for the express purpose of mass murder. Yeah, he was really concerned about the law!

You're the biggest elitist tool on these forums, marin. Why do you hate children so much?

I am proud to be called the "biggest elitist tool on these forums" by the most deranged, angry poster on these forums.
All I did was point out that you are WRONG AGAIN, and the shooter acquired his weapons legally, in accordance with Virginia law.
I seriously hope you are not a gun owner, I suggest you seek some help for your mental problems before you snap.

So they were legally purchased and now we have that information from an ongoing case. So... legally purchased over a month ago. And? Are you in favor of locking up every individual and stripping away people of their rights, presuming them guilty until proven innocent or trustworthy?

The left's coveted Brady Bill would still have failed. Of course this leads to the punch line: SO NOW WE SHOULD BAN ALL GUNS THEY ARE EVIL!!!! right?

And what's with someone else being disturbed, deranged, and needing 'professional help' because they don't agree with you?

I suppose a kid who punches a bully in the face after being beat up for the 3rd time is disturbed and in need of help right?

Be gone with your illogical emotional rhetoric.

No, the point is that this deranged person was able to purchase guns legally and with no problem. Does that point to a problem with the current gun laws? Or is this just fine and dandy and we should continue selling guns to nutjobs.
The reason I think Vic needs help is the constant lashing out at anyone with a contrary opinion.
And yes, we should ban handguns.
And by pointing out your error am I being a bully? Here's a crying towel.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Well well. Turns out my hunch was correct.

NOT an outlaw.

Better gun control laws may indeed have helped since it is still too easy to get a gun in Virginia.

WTF are you talking about? He was a foreign national with illegally-obtained guns carrying in a "no-carry" area.

Is it another one of your arguments that stricter traffic laws against speeding would prevent illegal immigrants without drivers licenses and insurance from getting into traffic accidents?

Haha, pwned.

Haha, pwned yourself you fools. Turns out he is a legal resident and bought the guns legally.

I didn't say he was an illegal, I just implied that the fact he was a foreign national dispelled the "culture of fear" nonsense the anti-gun authoritarians spread.

And legally purchased guns with scratched-off serial numbers? :roll:

Nor does any of that change my main point, which was that he was illegally carrying those firearms for the express purpose of mass murder. Yeah, he was really concerned about the law!

You're the biggest elitist tool on these forums, marin. Why do you hate children so much?

I am proud to be called the "biggest elitist tool on these forums" by the most deranged, angry poster on these forums.
All I did was point out that you are WRONG AGAIN, and the shooter acquired his weapons legally, in accordance with Virginia law.
I seriously hope you are not a gun owner, I suggest you seek some help for your mental problems before you snap.

So they were legally purchased and now we have that information from an ongoing case. So... legally purchased over a month ago. And? Are you in favor of locking up every individual and stripping away people of their rights, presuming them guilty until proven innocent or trustworthy?

The left's coveted Brady Bill would still have failed. Of course this leads to the punch line: SO NOW WE SHOULD BAN ALL GUNS THEY ARE EVIL!!!! right?

And what's with someone else being disturbed, deranged, and needing 'professional help' because they don't agree with you?

I suppose a kid who punches a bully in the face after being beat up for the 3rd time is disturbed and in need of help right?

Be gone with your illogical emotional rhetoric.

No, the point is that this deranged person was able to purchase guns legally and with no problem. Does that point to a problem with the current gun laws? Or is this just fine and dandy and we should continue selling guns to nutjobs.
The reason I think Vic needs help is the constant lashing out at anyone with a contrary opinion.
And yes, we should ban handguns.
And by pointing out your error am I being a bully? Here's a crying towel.

No we shouldn't allow nutjobs to have guns. But who decides who is a nutjob and who isn't: you? me? Vic? What about someone who is perfectly fine for years, has never done anything wrong, up until they murder thirty people. Is it a problem with the laws? The system? Guns?

Guns in the USA are never going away. And even if they did, peoples rage and anger and the causes for it, will not magically go away with them. Timothy Mcveigh and Theodore Kaczynski killed hundreds in the blink of an eye without firing a shot.

Don't let your emotions get the best of you and ruin it for the rest of us because of a few asshats.

Ask yourself why you never see a traffic accident glorified on the news as "horrific", "gruesome" and "bone chilling" with pictures of happy families followed by pictures of body parts being pull from a burning wreck, with icons of automobiles with "no smoking" signs over them in the news like they do when they always show a picture of a gun every time someone says the word crime. The number of auto fatalities dwarf that of gun related violence. But when you have the media sensationalizing gun violence, people would tend to think it's some daily epidemic and 'guns are to blame!'

Seriously, get in touch with reality, turn off your TV, and go take a walk outside and think about it for a minute.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Well well. Turns out my hunch was correct.

NOT an outlaw.

Better gun control laws may indeed have helped since it is still too easy to get a gun in Virginia.

WTF are you talking about? He was a foreign national with illegally-obtained guns carrying in a "no-carry" area.

Is it another one of your arguments that stricter traffic laws against speeding would prevent illegal immigrants without drivers licenses and insurance from getting into traffic accidents?

Haha, pwned.

Haha, pwned yourself you fools. Turns out he is a legal resident and bought the guns legally.

I didn't say he was an illegal, I just implied that the fact he was a foreign national dispelled the "culture of fear" nonsense the anti-gun authoritarians spread.

And legally purchased guns with scratched-off serial numbers? :roll:

Nor does any of that change my main point, which was that he was illegally carrying those firearms for the express purpose of mass murder. Yeah, he was really concerned about the law!

You're the biggest elitist tool on these forums, marin. Why do you hate children so much?

I am proud to be called the "biggest elitist tool on these forums" by the most deranged, angry poster on these forums.
All I did was point out that you are WRONG AGAIN, and the shooter acquired his weapons legally, in accordance with Virginia law.
I seriously hope you are not a gun owner, I suggest you seek some help for your mental problems before you snap.

So they were legally purchased and now we have that information from an ongoing case. So... legally purchased over a month ago. And? Are you in favor of locking up every individual and stripping away people of their rights, presuming them guilty until proven innocent or trustworthy?

The left's coveted Brady Bill would still have failed. Of course this leads to the punch line: SO NOW WE SHOULD BAN ALL GUNS THEY ARE EVIL!!!! right?

And what's with someone else being disturbed, deranged, and needing 'professional help' because they don't agree with you?

I suppose a kid who punches a bully in the face after being beat up for the 3rd time is disturbed and in need of help right?

Be gone with your illogical emotional rhetoric.

No, the point is that this deranged person was able to purchase guns legally and with no problem. Does that point to a problem with the current gun laws? Or is this just fine and dandy and we should continue selling guns to nutjobs.
The reason I think Vic needs help is the constant lashing out at anyone with a contrary opinion.
And yes, we should ban handguns.
And by pointing out your error am I being a bully? Here's a crying towel.

No we shouldn't allow nutjobs to have guns. But who decides who is a nutjob and who isn't: you? me? Vic?

Guns in the USA are never going away. And even if they did, peoples rage and anger and the causes for it, will not magically go away with them.

Guns aren't going away, that's why we will continue to have occassional mass murders.
That is the price we all have to pay if we continue to allow the American gun culture to flourish.

 

[CHOPPER GOD]

Originally posted by: Lothar
Allowing students to carry guns on campus is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.

Good thing Cho wasn't allowed to bring guns on campus....o ..wait

Although Im uncomfortable with the masses packing heat...It does level the playing field, and for 3 years after columbine, I snuck my gun into every class I attended...

Im not gonna shoot you for cutting me off on the freeway, Im not gonna shoot you for getting my Taco Bell order wrong (Every time..EVERY store-Is it the same where you live?) but I will take the safety off if that guy in the corner wearing camo-fatigues or a trenchcoat in the middle of an Arizona summer wearing his Final Fantasy T-shirt starts acting up...

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Well well. Turns out my hunch was correct.

NOT an outlaw.

Better gun control laws may indeed have helped since it is still too easy to get a gun in Virginia.

WTF are you talking about? He was a foreign national with illegally-obtained guns carrying in a "no-carry" area.

Is it another one of your arguments that stricter traffic laws against speeding would prevent illegal immigrants without drivers licenses and insurance from getting into traffic accidents?

Haha, pwned.

Haha, pwned yourself you fools. Turns out he is a legal resident and bought the guns legally.

I didn't say he was an illegal, I just implied that the fact he was a foreign national dispelled the "culture of fear" nonsense the anti-gun authoritarians spread.

And legally purchased guns with scratched-off serial numbers? :roll:

Nor does any of that change my main point, which was that he was illegally carrying those firearms for the express purpose of mass murder. Yeah, he was really concerned about the law!

You're the biggest elitist tool on these forums, marin. Why do you hate children so much?

I am proud to be called the "biggest elitist tool on these forums" by the most deranged, angry poster on these forums.
All I did was point out that you are WRONG AGAIN, and the shooter acquired his weapons legally, in accordance with Virginia law.
I seriously hope you are not a gun owner, I suggest you seek some help for your mental problems before you snap.

So they were legally purchased and now we have that information from an ongoing case. So... legally purchased over a month ago. And? Are you in favor of locking up every individual and stripping away people of their rights, presuming them guilty until proven innocent or trustworthy?

The left's coveted Brady Bill would still have failed. Of course this leads to the punch line: SO NOW WE SHOULD BAN ALL GUNS THEY ARE EVIL!!!! right?

And what's with someone else being disturbed, deranged, and needing 'professional help' because they don't agree with you?

I suppose a kid who punches a bully in the face after being beat up for the 3rd time is disturbed and in need of help right?

Be gone with your illogical emotional rhetoric.

No, the point is that this deranged person was able to purchase guns legally and with no problem. Does that point to a problem with the current gun laws? Or is this just fine and dandy and we should continue selling guns to nutjobs.
The reason I think Vic needs help is the constant lashing out at anyone with a contrary opinion.
And yes, we should ban handguns.
And by pointing out your error am I being a bully? Here's a crying towel.

No we shouldn't allow nutjobs to have guns. But who decides who is a nutjob and who isn't: you? me? Vic?

Guns in the USA are never going away. And even if they did, peoples rage and anger and the causes for it, will not magically go away with them.

Guns aren't going away, that's why we will continue to have occassional mass murders.
That is the price we all have to pay if we continue to allow the American gun culture to flourish.

What "gun culture"? Turn that damn propaganda box off that you call cable TV. Go take a walk and come back tomorrow, and tell me how many people you saw shooting guns at each other. There are 200 million guns in the USA after all, bound to be some minute by minute action in your area.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: exdeath


What "gun culture"? Turn that damn propaganda box off that you call cable TV.

I take my guns and clean them, oil them, then do a blood sacrafice to them and after that hang them back on the wall, prostrate myself and pray. Could that be what he means?? 😉

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Well well. Turns out my hunch was correct.

NOT an outlaw.

Better gun control laws may indeed have helped since it is still too easy to get a gun in Virginia.

WTF are you talking about? He was a foreign national with illegally-obtained guns carrying in a "no-carry" area.

Is it another one of your arguments that stricter traffic laws against speeding would prevent illegal immigrants without drivers licenses and insurance from getting into traffic accidents?

Haha, pwned.

Haha, pwned yourself you fools. Turns out he is a legal resident and bought the guns legally.

I didn't say he was an illegal, I just implied that the fact he was a foreign national dispelled the "culture of fear" nonsense the anti-gun authoritarians spread.

And legally purchased guns with scratched-off serial numbers? :roll:

Nor does any of that change my main point, which was that he was illegally carrying those firearms for the express purpose of mass murder. Yeah, he was really concerned about the law!

You're the biggest elitist tool on these forums, marin. Why do you hate children so much?

I am proud to be called the "biggest elitist tool on these forums" by the most deranged, angry poster on these forums.
All I did was point out that you are WRONG AGAIN, and the shooter acquired his weapons legally, in accordance with Virginia law.
I seriously hope you are not a gun owner, I suggest you seek some help for your mental problems before you snap.

So they were legally purchased and now we have that information from an ongoing case. So... legally purchased over a month ago. And? Are you in favor of locking up every individual and stripping away people of their rights, presuming them guilty until proven innocent or trustworthy?

The left's coveted Brady Bill would still have failed. Of course this leads to the punch line: SO NOW WE SHOULD BAN ALL GUNS THEY ARE EVIL!!!! right?

And what's with someone else being disturbed, deranged, and needing 'professional help' because they don't agree with you?

I suppose a kid who punches a bully in the face after being beat up for the 3rd time is disturbed and in need of help right?

Be gone with your illogical emotional rhetoric.

No, the point is that this deranged person was able to purchase guns legally and with no problem. Does that point to a problem with the current gun laws? Or is this just fine and dandy and we should continue selling guns to nutjobs.
The reason I think Vic needs help is the constant lashing out at anyone with a contrary opinion.
And yes, we should ban handguns.
And by pointing out your error am I being a bully? Here's a crying towel.

No we shouldn't allow nutjobs to have guns. But who decides who is a nutjob and who isn't: you? me? Vic?

Guns in the USA are never going away. And even if they did, peoples rage and anger and the causes for it, will not magically go away with them.

Guns aren't going away, that's why we will continue to have occassional mass murders.
That is the price we all have to pay if we continue to allow the American gun culture to flourish.

No, it is the price we pay for allowing people to act with free will without having thought police throwing us into rehab every time we flip someone the bird or say a naughty word.

Why do you accept social responsibility and every day risk with driving an automobile and killing ~40,000 people a year, but not guns which kill ~12,000?

Automobiles are the epitome of American culture and status, symbolizing wealth and independence. We all get into automobiles every single day, accepting that we could kill someone; someone could kill us, or some errant individual abusing his excessively fast sports car and hit a minivan and kill an innocent family. Have we as a society decided that those ~40,000 senseless and unnecessary innocent deaths are a fair price to pay for the convenience of a mere luxury commodity such as personal transportation?

It is a necessary and acceptable cost to us as a society that we accept and face every day given how many people willingly put their keys in their ignition every morning and trust the stranger next to them on the road not to kill them and their family. Is it that people accept the risks or is it because the media doesn't glorify the risks every time a bad accident occurs so they are unaware of the risks? And if they did, would it stop you or I from driving? Probably not. It would probably just make people more cautious and scared of driving, and rightfully so. We keep passing laws for safety standards and handing out speeding tickets, but the number of deaths doesn't change because the safer cars get, the more confident people feel driving dangerously. Bad accidents don't happen that often? Neither do school shootings. Compare ~40,000 auto related deaths to ~12,000 gun related deaths and consider there are 300,000,000 people in this country with 200,000,000 guns and 250,000,000 automobiles.

Guns, knives, and baseball bats are no different when it comes to 'risks to society'.

Events like this are sadly the price we pay for freedom. It's a side effect of a free society that will never go away, even if we try to ban guns or cars or anything. As long as we don't have thought police throwing people in jail and sending them to rehab every time they say a naughty word or flip someone the bird on the presumption they are guilty until proven innocent, we will suffer the consequences of those who abuse their freedoms to assault others.

All we can really do as individuals is not contribute to it, and one better, protect ourselves and our communities from those who would do us harm in the act.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: exdeath


What "gun culture"? Turn that damn propaganda box off that you call cable TV.

I take my guns and clean them, oil them, then do a blood sacrifice to them and after that hang them back on the wall, prostrate myself and pray. Could that be what he means?? 😉

You did not just say "blood sacrifice" in jest... you must need professional help 😉

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: exdeath


What "gun culture"? Turn that damn propaganda box off that you call cable TV.

I take my guns and clean them, oil them, then do a blood sacrifice to them and after that hang them back on the wall, prostrate myself and pray. Could that be what he means?? 😉

You did not just say "blood sacrifice" in jest... you must need professional help 😉

Professional help?? You mean like a full body massage? :laugh: Yes, mosdef.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: exdeath
No, it is the price we pay for allowing people to act with free will without having thought police throwing us into rehab every time we flip someone the bird or say a naughty word.

Why do you accept social responsibility and every day risk with driving an automobile and killing ~40,000 people a year, but not guns which kill ~12,000?

Automobiles are the epitome of American culture and status, symbolizing wealth and independence. We all get into automobiles every single day, accepting that we could kill someone; someone could kill us, or some errant individual abusing his excessively fast sports car and hit a minivan and kill an innocent family. Have we as a society decided that those ~40,000 senseless and unnecessary innocent deaths are a fair price to pay for the convenience of a mere luxury commodity such as personal transportation?

It is a necessary and acceptable cost to us as a society that we accept and face every day given how many people willingly put their keys in their ignition every morning and trust the stranger next to them on the road not to kill them and their family. Is it that people accept the risks or is it because the media doesn't glorify the risks every time a bad accident occurs so they are unaware of the risks? And if they did, would it stop you or I from driving? Probably not. It would probably just make people more cautious and scared of driving, and rightfully so. We keep passing laws for safety standards and handing out speeding tickets, but the number of deaths doesn't change because the safer cars get, the more confident people feel driving dangerously. Bad accidents don't happen that often? Neither do school shootings. Compare ~40,000 auto related deaths to ~12,000 gun related deaths and consider there are 300,000,000 people in this country with 200,000,000 guns and 250,000,000 automobiles.

Guns, knives, and baseball bats are no different when it comes to 'risks to society'.

Events like this are sadly the price we pay for freedom. It's a side effect of a free society that will never go away, even if we try to ban guns or cars or anything. As long as we don't have thought police throwing people in jail and sending them to rehab every time they say a naughty word or flip someone the bird on the presumption they are guilty until proven innocent, we will suffer the consequences of those who abuse their freedoms to assault others.

All we can really do as individuals is not contribute to it, and one better, protect ourselves and our communities from those who would do us harm in the act.

Excellent post my friend.

I would like to mention, that this tragedy aside, the vast majority of guns are obtained illegally. There are over 200 million guns in the US. So making the illegal to buy will affect the people who will legally buy them.