From another thread, thought I would post here to make sure other gun owners are on the right track:
Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Originally posted by: Shivetya
the problem wasn't that the bad guy had a gun, the problem was that no one else did.
The problem with your argument
Even though that opinion appears on a partisan site, it is still worth a read.
The problem is you might miss... ?
It's literally astounding the logical leaps that people will go to in order to push their agenda. Your minds are like a tabloid newspaper -- you come to your conclusions first.
no. the problem clearly states that in a 100% armed society, you now have the problem of identifying the target. Everyone has a gun, so who is the criminal? what are the cops supposed to think when they arrive?
Ask questions. Its really not that hard if 20 different people say the same thing and point to the same guy.
I think if I jumped into a situation like that I would be aiming at the guy saying "DIE YOU RICH SNOBS!!!" and not the 20 people saying "PUT THE GUN DOWN NOW!! SOMEONE WITH A PHONE CALL 911 NOW!!!"
But thats just me...
The Hollywood style standoffs and shootouts that the left believes in is total nonsense. There has NEVER been a case of it going down like that when civilians with guns subdue a assailant.
And you don't think the person who is sane of mind enough to legally draw a weapon for defensive purposes while remaining calm is aware of the position he is in holding a weapon at a crime scene? Communication and deliberate action. Thats all you need to understand to know why the make believe standoffs will not occur.
While police are normal people like you and I who don't have any more extra special rights than civilians do, they are the arbitrators that we trust and employ to be tasked with having final authority on the scene at the moment an incident is happening. They are not responsible for who is wrong or right, their job is to end the confrontation and take evidence and statements for the next step; the courts. Because of that, once they arrive on the scene, they are in charge, period. You do what they say and you clearly communicate your compliance in thought and action. Police don't just show up automatically shooting anybody who has a gun. Also if the suspect is already down, nobody just walks around holding a gun in their hand, all weapons are returned to where they were drawn from and everybody keeps their hands visible until asked to do otherwise by an officer. Common sense really... I know thats lacking these days.
Communication is important. I know if I have my gun drawn or have just shot somebody I am going to make sure that I and anyone in the immediate area is on the phone to 911 with the details that not only am I the good guy, but what I am wearing and where I am, before they get there. Your classmates or fellow shoppers will know whats going on, as robbers and murders don't usually shout "someone call the police and get an ambulance!" or "is anybody hurt?"
And when in doubt, don't pull the trigger. Simple as that. Everyone, including the police, are responsible for every negligent shot they fire from their own gun. If you aren't fit enough to exhibit situational awareness of your surroundings to know who started what when the door flew open, you aren't in a position to be shooting anybody.
Best thing to do is stay calm and carry yourself with authority. It is illegal to impersonate or directly claim that you are a police officer if asked directly, but you should still carry yourself like one and take charge like one and bark orders, until the real police arrive. That will help with two things: 1) ensures everyone knows who's side you are on and 2) keeps the rest of your classmates who have never seen a gun before calm, because the last thing they want to see is someone else pull out a gun and not know if its another possible killer.
You also forget the fact that, classmates tend to know who they can count on and who to be wary of. Is a fellow gun carrying classmate going to point at me when I draw my weapon, the person who helped them work out homework problems all semester, or the person barging through the door in the middle of class wearing a baseball cap and a tac vest with a gun in hand?
Also, learn the difference between aiming while firing, and holding your weapon at ready position and pointing downward. Nobody should EVER be able to see the muzzle end of your weapon, ether because A) if you were pointing it at them, you have just shot them and they can't see anymore, or B) because you aren't pointing it at them. The rule about not aiming until you have selected your target and are ready to fire holds even in a split second combat situation. You don't just hold your muzzle out at head level spinning around the room like an idiot. That way, anybody who happens to see you with a gun in your hand doesn't see you pointing it at someone, and therefore you aren't an immediate threat. If they are carrying as well, they are likely aware of the same.
We aren't talking about 30 people who have never seen a gun before who suddenly pull one out and start shooting. Most people who would be inclined to carry on campus if they were allowed are proficient in the rules and responsibilities implied, and if not, they need to get proficient, or leave their gun at home. Oops doesn't cut it.
Duh.
This Hollywood standoff crap you people propose is ludicrous.
The fact that movies typically show people running up and down enclosed 5' x 5' stairwells firing weapons without hearing protection yet having normal conversations with each other throughout the whole thing should tell you that Hollywood doesn't know the first thing about guns.
PS: fire your gun indoors at least once, without hearing protection, just so you know what it feels like so you're not startled when and if you have to use it. It's a whole 'nother ballgame.
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