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When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns

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Give pro-gun folks their victory here.. had anyone held a concealed weapons permit the death toll would not be so high.
 
Sorry I can't trust any of you nut cases to carry a concealed weapon around me. There are to many hotheads and idiots running around. I frankly rather not arm all of them because of few of you are scared witless over such a rare event. The best thing to combat violence is to stop the culture of violence that it is not so embedded in this country. You can give everyone a gun but if you don't change this culture of violence you see in our popular media then you won't do a damn thing to decrease shootings of this nature.

For some reason it's okay to bring your kids to a movie where people get their heads blown off but seeing a female nipple is freaking outrageous. You don't give a nation that is so angry and filled with violence even more weapons. Not to mention I don't want some arsehole shooting me because I flipped him the figure and went to answer my cell phone. Sorry but I don't trust the general public to be as highly trained as police officers. If any of you crazy nut cakes want a get a gun you should have to take a freaking psychological examination and even if you show a hint of violence in the test you should be denied.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
Originally posted by: Lothar

That's pretty much nonsense.
If student was packing a gun I can guarantee you that there will be a shooting incident at least once every 2 week.
Sure 29 students won't die in one day like today, but the total deaths from guns will either still be the same (or may even end up higher) by the end of the year.
How many students on campus has died from guns at VA Tech this year?

Like was said earlier most college students aren't mature enough.
People will shoot while drunk, shoot the boyfriend their ex is going out with, and shoot teachers who gave them bad grades.

Hell, since I've been going to this school for 5 years now there has been numerous suicides...
1.) A student jumped from the School of Business.
2.) A student jumped from the School of Engineering.
3.) A medical school student stabbed himself to death because of class stress and also girlfriend issues.
4.) A lesbian student jumped from the 9th floor of my dormitory because she saw her partner talking to another girl and was jealous. This was particularly disgusting as I saw the blood stains and the head separated from the body on this one as I was entering the dormitory.
5.) A male student jumped from the 10th floor of the opposite dormitory to the one above because his girl dumped him for one of his friends.

In each of those cases, I would prefer if such mentally unstable idiots keep jumping off buildings killing themselves and no one else than to be parading around with guns in my dormitory or school department.
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There are some states that allow CCW on college campuses and they don't have 1 shooting per year let alone 1 every two weeks.
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There are schools that don't allow guns on campuses and they don't have 1 shooting per year.

Your point?
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His point was that your logic was flawed. In some areas, people pack all the time and not a single violent crime takes place. In others, carrying is illegal and yet murders are commonplace. And vice versa.
Britain has strict gun control and low gun crime. Russia has strict gun control and the world's highest murder rate. Switzerland has little gun control and virtually no gun crime. The US has relatively lax gun control and a relatively high murder (although 1/5th that of Russia).
The problem with the anti-gunners is that they refuse to recognize that their argument of correlation does not exist. In fact, they're just like the drug warriors in this regard, who refuse to recognize that drug laws do nothing to stop drug abuse. In the same vein, gun control does nothing to stop gun crime.
Remember, we're talking about murder here. Not only is that the most serious crime in any country, but it is also an act that tends to destroy the life of the murderer just as much as that of the victim, except in the rare cases of true psychopaths. Notice that our murderer here at VT took his own life after taking all those others. Some of you people seem to be very confused about the actual subject here. Once a person makes the decision to murder, to actually take the life of another human being, the breaking of other minor crimes, like those against gun possession, tend to have very little meaning.
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I probably should have put "every" in that sentence he bolded.

I don't have a problem with licensed gun owners carrying guns.
I have a problem with allowing unlicensed students to carry guns.

Now you can claim that licenses are a waste of money and shouldn't be allowed because people can still get by regardless of it; but I believe in giving out the licenses, the more people trained before carrying such weapons, the better it is overall.

The same can be said for any license including driving, nursing, and health professional careers.

I agree with people on the first few pages like Dullard and eskimospy who say carrying guns will not decrease crime rates, and neither will more restrictions.

I don't think you'll find me ever supporting the idea of jail time for "war on drugs" violators.
 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Sorry but I don't trust the general public to be as highly trained as police officers.
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Police officers are poorly trained. I won't go into details but I had a gun pulled on me callously and had it pressed up against my back. By a police officer. The three idiots didn't seem to understand you don't point your gun at something you don't intend to kill.

I won't retell the entire story but to say that I didn't end up getting as much as a fine, and it was in broad daylight.

As a hunting enthusiast is was the most reckless use of firearms I had ever witnessed.

 
It's out now that the VaTech shooter was a 24 yr old from China here on a Visa. Is it legal for a person on a Visa to have pistols in Virginia?
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Sorry but I don't trust the general public to be as highly trained as police officers.
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Yes, we should all be so highly trained. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Bell
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At the time Bell was holding his bachelor party at Kalua Cabaret, a venue notorious for prostitution, drug-arrests and liquor-law violations. The club was being investigated by seven undercover police detectives.[9] The New York Post reported that, according to an unnamed undercover officer, Guzman had an argument inside the club with a woman and threatened to get a gun. The woman was reportedly overheard saying to the men arguing with Bell's friends, "I'm not doing you all. I'll do one or two, but not all."[10] The undercover officer followed the group and Bell was ordered by the officer to raise his hands after getting in his car. Instead, the car hit the undercover officer and, seconds later, an unmarked police minivan.[1] A toxicology report reportedly showed that he was legally drunk at the time of the shooting.
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Being drunk and stupid has a habit of getting you or other people killed. Hence why I don't want idiots getting a hold of a gun.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Sorry but I don't trust the general public to be as highly trained as police officers.
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Police officers are poorly trained. I won't go into details but I had a gun pulled on me callously and had it pressed up against my back. By a police officer. The three idiots didn't seem to understand you don't point your gun at something you don't intend to kill.

I won't retell the entire story but to say that I didn't end up getting as much as a fine, and it was in broad daylight.

As a hunting enthusiast is was the most reckless use of firearms I had ever witnessed.
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I rather deal with a cop then a scared civilian who would shoot me out of fear or ignorance. My money is on the cops having guns sorry. Don't get me wrong I have no problems with guns meant for hunting but arming every slacked jawed nut case on the street is just plain stupid IMHO. Again if you want to decrease violence then change our culture so that it does not glamorize and promote violence. After this is done we can be a bigger version of Switzerland.
 
Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
Or as well trained as this guy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGD7r6s-zU

Glock Fotay!!!
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He's a professional and if he screwed up that bad I am pretty sure I wouldn't trust Joe Blow who has poo stains in his underwear.
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My point is everyone can screw up. What makes cops special and immune to that?
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Yes everyone can screw up but the odds of a highly trained law enforcement officer screwing up compared to your local slack jawed yockel are lower IMHO.

 
Originally posted by: 6000SUX
Originally posted by: Conky
Originally posted by: 6000SUX
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: 6000SUX
The easy answer, if you're worried about gun violence, is for no one to carry guns. Guess how many mass shootings Britain has on their school campuses?
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And we see how well "Gun free" zones work dont we.
Britian still has crime. Dont be naive. You can change the weapon of the crime, but you cant stop crime itself.

To blame the weapon for the crime is pretty silly.
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Just pointing out the obvious: remove guns from the equation and you don't have mass shootings. :disgust:
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Why not just cut the index fingers off of everybody's hands instead? Without trigger-fingers there can be no mass shootings either. :roll:
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Nope. Just like we don't need to cut off feet to avoid deaths from foot-launched rockets, we don't need to cut off other parts to avoid gun violence. Just remove the guns. You get the prize for "least well-founded argument ever". Kudos.
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I see you don't understand sarcasm.

Simply remove the guns? Wow, that would be really simple... much like your mind. 😛

I'll play along for arguments sake. How does one "remove the guns" anyway? Pass a law? Seriously, enlighten me oh wise one.

 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
Or as well trained as this guy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGD7r6s-zU

Glock Fotay!!!
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He's a professional and if he screwed up that bad I am pretty sure I wouldn't trust Joe Blow who has poo stains in his underwear.
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My point is everyone can screw up. What makes cops special and immune to that?
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Yes everyone can screw up but the odds of a highly trained law enforcement officer screwing up compared to your local slack jawed yockel are lower IMHO.
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And that's what it comes down to. Opinion and not fact.
 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Sorry but I don't trust the general public to be as highly trained as police officers.
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Police officers are poorly trained. I won't go into details but I had a gun pulled on me callously and had it pressed up against my back. By a police officer. The three idiots didn't seem to understand you don't point your gun at something you don't intend to kill.

I won't retell the entire story but to say that I didn't end up getting as much as a fine, and it was in broad daylight.

As a hunting enthusiast is was the most reckless use of firearms I had ever witnessed.
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I rather deal with a cop then a scared civilian who would shoot me out of fear or ignorance. My money is on the cops having guns sorry. Don't get me wrong I have no problems with guns meant for hunting but arming every slacked jawed nut case on the street is just plain stupid IMHO. Again if you want to decrease violence then change our culture so that it does not glamorize and promote violence. After this is done we can be a bigger version of Switzerland.
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I think you're making broad generalizations without any proof to back it up. If we are just talking out of our asses I would argue the idiots using guns recklessly are more likely to be the ones who buy them illegally, rather than those non-felons who buy them at the gun shop and apply for a permit. I would say that most people who carry guns legally are aware of when they are and are not allowed to fire in self-defense, and are aware that a gun should never be pulled unless you intend to use it.

Either way we are both just talking out of our asses.
 
Originally posted by: Conky
Originally posted by: 6000SUX
Originally posted by: Conky
Originally posted by: 6000SUX
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: 6000SUX
The easy answer, if you're worried about gun violence, is for no one to carry guns. Guess how many mass shootings Britain has on their school campuses?
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And we see how well "Gun free" zones work dont we.
Britian still has crime. Dont be naive. You can change the weapon of the crime, but you cant stop crime itself.

To blame the weapon for the crime is pretty silly.
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Just pointing out the obvious: remove guns from the equation and you don't have mass shootings. :disgust:
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Why not just cut the index fingers off of everybody's hands instead? Without trigger-fingers there can be no mass shootings either. :roll:
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Nope. Just like we don't need to cut off feet to avoid deaths from foot-launched rockets, we don't need to cut off other parts to avoid gun violence. Just remove the guns. You get the prize for "least well-founded argument ever". Kudos.
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I see you don't understand sarcasm.

Simply remove the guns? Wow, that would be really simple... much like your mind. 😛

I'll play along for arguments sake. How does one "remove the guns" anyway? Pass a law? Seriously, enlighten me oh wise one.
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Well since people don't want to change Americas culture and get rid the violence that is so deeply woven in our popular media what should we do?

If we keep promoting culture of violence in our nation giving more guns out is kind of just plain absurd IMHO.
 
Drift3r, your argument is missing the point. Culture of violence or not, we have easy access to guns in this country. What the OP is about is gun-free zones, which really only take the guns out of the pockets of honest people while obviously any criminal is going to disregard them. The idea of having these little bubbles that will be gun-free creates a situation like we witnessed today, where the only armed man ends up running through classrooms unopposed slaughtering innocent people.

Don't like people owning handguns? Great.. but a different argument. As it stands I don't see the purpose of gun-free zones.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Sorry but I don't trust the general public to be as highly trained as police officers.
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Police officers are poorly trained. I won't go into details but I had a gun pulled on me callously and had it pressed up against my back. By a police officer. The three idiots didn't seem to understand you don't point your gun at something you don't intend to kill.

I won't retell the entire story but to say that I didn't end up getting as much as a fine, and it was in broad daylight.

As a hunting enthusiast is was the most reckless use of firearms I had ever witnessed.
Click to expand...

I rather deal with a cop then a scared civilian who would shoot me out of fear or ignorance. My money is on the cops having guns sorry. Don't get me wrong I have no problems with guns meant for hunting but arming every slacked jawed nut case on the street is just plain stupid IMHO. Again if you want to decrease violence then change our culture so that it does not glamorize and promote violence. After this is done we can be a bigger version of Switzerland.
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I think you're making broad generalizations without any proof to back it up. If we are just talking out of our asses I would argue the idiots using guns recklessly are more likely to be the ones who buy them illegally, rather than those non-felons who buy them at the gun shop and apply for a permit. I would say that most people who carry guns legally are aware of when they are and are not allowed to fire in self-defense, and are aware that a gun should never be pulled unless you intend to use it.

Either way we are both just talking out of our asses.
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Not all idiots are felons.

Not all idiots are prone to buying illegal firearms.

I don't want Mr. short term memory or Mr. Hot head Jock getting a hold of a weapon. Sorry again I don't want a jerk popping off a few rounds because I failed to signal and he was having a bad day. I don't trust the general populace to behave well enough or to get the needed proper training to own a weapon. Again let me restate we have a violent society that promotes violence. Other nations can get away with lax gun laws but we can't because there are way to many angry people running around this country. I can think of more then one time I've had to deal with some guy with a extreme case of road rage and frankly I wouldn't of wanted those dudes easily be armed to the teeth.
 
Hmmm... I wonder if the shooter had used a automatic machine gun, would that mean we should allow unrestricted access to machine guns for everyone?
 
Originally posted by: Farang
Drift3r, your argument is missing the point. Culture of violence or not, we have easy access to guns in this country. What the OP is about is gun-free zones, which really only take the guns out of the pockets of honest people while obviously any criminal is going to disregard them. The idea of having these little bubbles that will be gun-free creates a situation like we witnessed today, where the only armed man ends up running through classrooms unopposed slaughtering innocent people.

Don't like people owning handguns? Great.. but a different argument. As it stands I don't see the purpose of gun-free zones.
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You can't dismiss the fact that our society is extremely violent. Violence is kind of the key factor that creates incidents like the one we all witnessed today in VA Tech. I agree it's kind of pointless to have a "gun free zones" when guns are basically all over the place. Yet arming everyone to the teeth is not the answer my friend. We are a violent country and giving more people who otherwise would not have access to a weapon is not a good idea. I don't trust the general populace to behave like civilized human beings 100% of the time and I don't trust all people to be 100% safe with personal concealed firearms.
 
Originally posted by: Kwaipie
College students with concealed weapon permits?
Has the person that suggested this ever been on a college campus? These people are absolute morons and you want to arm them.

*shudder*
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Nice generalization, some people on college campuses are morons, but not all, there are plenty of responsible people there aswell.

Additionally in general concealed handgun license owners are more law abiding than most people.

In Texas for example CHL holders were found to be more law abiding than the police that folks like you would prefer to be the only ones with guns.
 
"Well since people don't want to change Americas culture and get rid the violence that is so deeply woven in our popular media what should we do?

If we keep promoting culture of violence in our nation giving more guns out is kind of just plain absurd IMHO. "


1)People have to stop destroying the family and lowering standards. Way over half of prision inmates come from single famliy homes that had no fathers. Kids get intensely angry in their early experiences at home and it just gets scapegoated to others by the propaganda people. I don't know how many times I have been driving through town and seen some little kid getting cursed and the flesh beat off off him by some "reluctant" 17 yr old mother. Of course the kid will grow up a maniac.


2) Stop letting other peoples criminals come here at will. Most of the surge in the prison population the last decade is from illegals.

3) Stop making excuses for criminals and glorifying them in the opportunistic Rap culture and an endless sophomoric sex fixation in entertainment that turns people into dull studs and whores..

4) Stop liberals from putting the criminals rights before society at large. Police can hardly do their jobs with the ACLU (mostly a homosexual group now) constantly doing a social auto immune thing on them

5) Parents have to be decent mothers and fathers again and care about their kids and not let them grow up in day care and then get dismissed at home as a burdens. So many kids know their parents resent them being there.
 
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