When does the NDA lift for R600?

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: BFG10K
If R600 is as fast as as 8800 GTX but cheaper I will seriously consider it because I was considering upgrading my 8800 GTS to a 8800 GTX anyway.

Why? Because of drivers.

It'd be nice to move back to a regular monthly WHQL release schedule from a company that actually cares about supporting its customers, unlike the beta scraps we have to fight over from nVidia whenever they feel like releasing them.

maybe the *real reason* AMD is late is 'cause they can't write drivers for the r600 family?
:shocked:

they will launch the entire *family* when they finally figure it out


i really ... seriously ... don't think nvidia is holding back on purpose ...

*cough*

of course, you can be *sure* that nvidia will somehow ... coincidently ... get a solid performance boost for the g80/81 when r600 finally IS released
:Q

ive heard from a guy under NDA that the drivers are a little patchy for the R600 atm, however openGL performance is apparently extremely good. DX performance is a little more hit n miss.

im sure it'll be sorted for the release though

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: n7
I am still waiting because:

I don't play many newer games.
I despise the pricing on the 8800 GTS/GTX.
I dislike nVidia's lack of drivers (this is something i've disliked about them for years now; not a recent development).
I dislike how nVidia doesn't seem to have functional portrait mode drivers for XP (even though i'm running Vista 95% of the time now).

I am very unimpressed with AMD though, to say the least.
IMHO, ATi was far better off on their own.
AMD has fuxX0red things up way too much...

I mainly just want something with the performance of the GTX that will fit into my case.

i believe they are the same size. could be wrong tho

 

[BFG10K]

they will launch the entire *family* when they finally figure it out

If that's the case then we should get working drivers right off the bat.

of course, you can be *sure* that nvidia will somehow ... coincidently ... get a solid performance boost for the g80/81 when r600 finally IS released

That's the part that annoys me the most.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I'm hoping it's not a paper launch. AMD has already publicly claimed that the card is up and running. So there would be absolutely no reason for a paper launch unless they are intentionally trying to mislead people.

This has been the jist of everything AMD has said lately. They have delayed to wait for their OEM partners to be able to mfgr cards. That means the channel will probably be filling at announcement. We will see that a couple of days before the Twenty-whichever when some Brick and Motar persons says he saw a pallet of cards. If paper, it should only be a week before in channel. And the advantage of this release with the OEM partners is that we will not see $700 for a $499 card at places like Newegg.

 

[coolpurplefan]

May 14th.

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: vadp

Originally posted by: Matt2
AMD itself has stated that R600 is 80nm and that's not leaked info.

AMD isnt fabbing the chips anyway, it's still TSMC.

I wasn't saying that AMD will manufacturer the chips at its CPU plants.
I meant they probably will implement some of its flexible manufacturing strategies into the GPU production.
Also AMD's statement on the 80nm R6XX process is not the final word.
That could be another reason for silence - they're busy at converting everything they can to 65nm.

Dude, can I get some of what you're smoking? There's a 0% chance that the Radeon 2800HD XT (or whatever the alphabet-soup name is) will be 65nm. This is confirmed from AMD themselves (not that their word is good for much anymore, but on this one, I trust them).

 

[vadp]

Originally posted by: SexyK
Dude, can I get some of what you're smoking? There's a 0% chance that the Radeon 2800HD XT (or whatever the alphabet-soup name is) will be 65nm. This is confirmed from AMD themselves (not that their word is good for much anymore, but on this one, I trust them).

So you choose and pick what info is credible and what is not.
There is 0% chance that you have credible info on the manuf process at this point.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: vadp

Originally posted by: SexyK
Dude, can I get some of what you're smoking? There's a 0% chance that the Radeon 2800HD XT (or whatever the alphabet-soup name is) will be 65nm. This is confirmed from AMD themselves (not that their word is good for much anymore, but on this one, I trust them).

So you choose and pick what info is credible and what is not.
There is 0% chance that you have credible info on the manuf process at this point.

as you do

as we all do in the absence of facts ... something has to fill the void ...
. . . speculation

:roll:

and nothing is 0 chance

 

[vadp]

Originally posted by: apoppin
as you do

And don't make any claims to have access to such also.

 

[apoppin]

if i did i couldn't tell you

everything is speculation ... the people who know are under NDA

the people who claim to know are 'guessing', are liars or are hearing 2nd hand 'hints'
[from NDA breakers]

 

[apoppin]

anyway ... it *looks* like another month ... May 14 ...

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38983

AMD HAS AN interesting R600 Radeon HD launch plan, which could backfire in a rather spectacular manner.

The plan is to invite close to 200 hacks to the Sheraton complex in Tunis, and throw them into the mix with a bunch of AMD and ATI executives.

The problem is that company then plans a three-week silence period in the run up to launch. Nothingh from teh shindig should be posted until May 14th, our sources reveal. In today's world of immediate information, the three weeks in question sound very weird.

We learned that this could be due to late delivery of 65nm RV610LE/610XT/630Pro/630XT chips, but everything should be available in massive quantities. Of course, if there isn't for another mysterious delay that seems to happen regulary to AMD crew these days.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Arkaign

IF it turns out to be great, then WHY in the name of (insert preferred deity here) don't they SHOW how good it is, as that would keep more customers from slipping into Nvidia's camp. IF it were great, surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to not capitalize on it's superiority.

because then all the nvidiots would scream paper launch, or, worse, vaporware

Then AMD should keep their mouths shut PERIOD. They shouldn't send henchmen like Vijay Sharma to spout off about how great their product is and then leave us hanging without a product. They shouldn't tell us that they "could ship R600 today" and then not do it.

In many ways this is worse than a paper launch. At least with a paper launch we know what we're going to get.

as with every other thing ati has done in the last 2 years, it's damned if they do, damned if they don't. :roll:

 

[Dashel]

I'm just hoping for something that will lower prices. I'm due for a new PC and although I'd love a 8800GTX the price is a bit daunting so I'm holding out. I just want AMD/ATI to ship something competative so the price drops on all of them and I can pick which one I want.

 

[Pugnate]

Originally posted by: apoppin
anyway ... it *looks* like another month ... May 14 ...

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38983

AMD HAS AN interesting R600 Radeon HD launch plan, which could backfire in a rather spectacular manner.

The plan is to invite close to 200 hacks to the Sheraton complex in Tunis, and throw them into the mix with a bunch of AMD and ATI executives.

The problem is that company then plans a three-week silence period in the run up to launch. Nothingh from teh shindig should be posted until May 14th, our sources reveal. In today's world of immediate information, the three weeks in question sound very weird.

We learned that this could be due to late delivery of 65nm RV610LE/610XT/630Pro/630XT chips, but everything should be available in massive quantities. Of course, if there isn't for another mysterious delay that seems to happen regulary to AMD crew these days.

I love it when people speculate and then others think they very clever by pointing it out. I also laughed when you stressed *looks*.

Anyone who is speculating and knows they are speculating needs to post a disclaimer in their signature. That may act as some sort of a repellent.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Pugnate

Originally posted by: apoppin
anyway ... it *looks* like another month ... May 14 ...

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38983

AMD HAS AN interesting R600 Radeon HD launch plan, which could backfire in a rather spectacular manner.

The plan is to invite close to 200 hacks to the Sheraton complex in Tunis, and throw them into the mix with a bunch of AMD and ATI executives.

The problem is that company then plans a three-week silence period in the run up to launch. Nothingh from teh shindig should be posted until May 14th, our sources reveal. In today's world of immediate information, the three weeks in question sound very weird.

We learned that this could be due to late delivery of 65nm RV610LE/610XT/630Pro/630XT chips, but everything should be available in massive quantities. Of course, if there isn't for another mysterious delay that seems to happen regulary to AMD crew these days.

I love it when people speculate and then others think they very clever by pointing it out. I also laughed when you stressed *looks*.

Anyone who is speculating and knows they are speculating needs to post a disclaimer in their signature. That may act as some sort of a repellent.

nope ... this isn't a credible place like General ...
:Q

this is "video"
:roll:



anything goes




. . . pick the gems out of the crap and fluff if you are able to discern them

 

[Pugnate]

What I meant was that I know you are speculating, you know you are speculating... we are doing it for fun... yet people continue to point out the obvious. I found it funny that you found it necessary to stress the word *looks* so that people don't chew you out for speculating. My post was in your favor.

Maybe a disclaimer in the sig will stop the tiresome OH NOES YOU ARE ONLY GUESSSING! comments heh.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

and nothing is 0 chance

There is a 0% chance I am dead while typing this...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: gersson

and nothing is 0 chance

There is a 0% chance I am dead while typing this...

i believe we are still *lucky*

:roll:

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: gersson

and nothing is 0 chance

There is a 0% chance I am dead while typing this...

i believe we are still *lucky*

:roll:

Were you hoping I was now dead?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: gersson

and nothing is 0 chance

There is a 0% chance I am dead while typing this...

i believe we are still *lucky*

:roll:

Were you hoping I was now dead?

of course NOT

i just called your 'bluff' ...

there IS a Zero chance you died as you typed it



we have "proof' now

welcome back

 

[SlowSpyder]

Maybe this is AMD's plan. It sure seems like the R600 is on a lot of people's mind, and everyday there is another thread on computer forums about rumors. Any publicity is good publicity. Maybe they what they are doing afterall.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Maybe this is AMD's plan. It sure seems like the R600 is on a lot of people's mind, and everyday there is another thread on computer forums about rumors. Any publicity is good publicity. Maybe they what they are doing afterall.

if their stocks weren't tanking, i might agree

this debacle is hurting them ... big time

will they recover with r600?

i hope so

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Maybe this is AMD's plan. It sure seems like the R600 is on a lot of people's mind, and everyday there is another thread on computer forums about rumors. Any publicity is good publicity. Maybe they what they are doing afterall.

Very bad idea in my opinion. Even if the R600 is the second coming of the 9700 pro, the silence is causing lost sales to the Nvidia 8 series. Their stock price did go up today, but I doubt if it was caused by this silence.

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: Dashel
I'm just hoping for something that will lower prices.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
For what it's worth, Kyle (owner of HardOCP) thinks the R600 is going to be a huge flop based on insider information he's received from people in the industry. He thinks despite the lower price, it's power requirements are going to hold it back from being successful and he doesn't believe R600's flagship card will outperform the 8800 GTX by much if at all.

Nice. I'm gonna wait and see before jumping on an 8800GTS though... their prices are only going to go down in the meantime. =)

you mean you'll belive the guy whose is dripping with nvidia love.