When does the NDA lift for R600?

[sandorski]

AMD is in charge of ATI now and AMD has always held its' cards close to its' chest. ATI probably would have released/leaked some info by now, but that's not the way AMD does things. IOW, we won't know anything until the Official Release.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: sandorski
AMD is in charge of ATI now and AMD has always held its' cards close to its' chest. ATI probably would have released/leaked some info by now, but that's not the way AMD does things. IOW, we won't know anything until the Official Release.

*when* ? - which day? - is the Official Release scheduled?

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
For what it's worth, Kyle (owner of HardOCP) thinks the R600 is going to be a huge flop based on insider information he's received from people in the industry. He thinks despite the lower price, it's power requirements are going to hold it back from being successful and he doesn't believe R600's flagship card will outperform the 8800 GTX by much if at all.

Nice. I'm gonna wait and see before jumping on an 8800GTS though... their prices are only going to go down in the meantime. =)

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: sandorski
AMD is in charge of ATI now and AMD has always held its' cards close to its' chest. ATI probably would have released/leaked some info by now, but that's not the way AMD does things. IOW, we won't know anything until the Official Release.

*when* ? - which day? - is the Official Release scheduled?

The Release day's a secret too! :thumbsup:

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: sandorski
AMD is in charge of ATI now and AMD has always held its' cards close to its' chest. ATI probably would have released/leaked some info by now, but that's not the way AMD does things. IOW, we won't know anything until the Official Release.

*when* ? - which day? - is the Official Release scheduled?

Did we ever figure out if that Tunisia thing was real?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: sandorski
AMD is in charge of ATI now and AMD has always held its' cards close to its' chest. ATI probably would have released/leaked some info by now, but that's not the way AMD does things. IOW, we won't know anything until the Official Release.

*when* ? - which day? - is the Official Release scheduled?

Soon the NDA on the release days' date will lift and we'll all know when the release day is!!!

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: sandorski
AMD is in charge of ATI now and AMD has always held its' cards close to its' chest. ATI probably would have released/leaked some info by now, but that's not the way AMD does things. IOW, we won't know anything until the Official Release.

*when* ? - which day? - is the Official Release scheduled?

Soon the NDA on the release days' date will lift and we'll all know when the release day is!!!

LOL. Dont forget, they "could ship R600 today".

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: sandorski
AMD is in charge of ATI now and AMD has always held its' cards close to its' chest. ATI probably would have released/leaked some info by now, but that's not the way AMD does things. IOW, we won't know anything until the Official Release.

*when* ? - which day? - is the Official Release scheduled?

Soon the NDA on the release days' date will lift and we'll all know when the release day is!!!

LOL. Dont forget, they "could ship R600 today".

this is just a *rehash* of AMD FUD

i guess they don't have a firm release date becasue they are not sure they can keep it

r600 must be a real 'work'


o'fArt



hope not

 

[BFG10K]

If R600 is as fast as as 8800 GTX but cheaper I will seriously consider it because I was considering upgrading my 8800 GTS to a 8800 GTX anyway.

Why? Because of drivers.

It'd be nice to move back to a regular monthly WHQL release schedule from a company that actually cares about supporting its customers, unlike the beta scraps we have to fight over from nVidia whenever they feel like releasing them.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Arkaign

IF it turns out to be great, then WHY in the name of (insert preferred deity here) don't they SHOW how good it is, as that would keep more customers from slipping into Nvidia's camp. IF it were great, surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to not capitalize on it's superiority.

because then all the nvidiots would scream paper launch, or, worse, vaporware

I don't think so, Intel leaked C2D benchies, which turned out to be basically true for the most part, and I think it showed the power of good pre-marketing awareness. I bet a lot of people held off of buying X2s to see if the final C2Ds were as good as they were 'leaked' to be.

They were

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
If R600 is as fast as as 8800 GTX but cheaper I will seriously consider it because I was considering upgrading my 8800 GTS to a 8800 GTX anyway.

Why? Because of drivers.

It'd be nice to move back to a regular monthly WHQL release schedule from a company that actually cares about supporting its customers, unlike the beta scraps we have to fight over from nVidia whenever they feel like releasing them.

maybe the *real reason* AMD is late is 'cause they can't write drivers for the r600 family?
:shocked:

they will launch the entire *family* when they finally figure it out


i really ... seriously ... don't think nvidia is holding back on purpose ...

*cough*

of course, you can be *sure* that nvidia will somehow ... coincidently ... get a solid performance boost for the g80/81 when r600 finally IS released
:Q

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
For what it's worth, Kyle (owner of HardOCP) thinks the R600 is going to be a huge flop based on insider information he's received from people in the industry. He thinks despite the lower price, it's power requirements are going to hold it back from being successful and he doesn't believe R600's flagship card will outperform the 8800 GTX by much if at all.

Obviously means more to you than me, but what the hell the guys got to promote his site.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
For what it's worth, Kyle (owner of HardOCP) thinks the R600 is going to be a huge flop based on insider information he's received from people in the industry. He thinks despite the lower price, it's power requirements are going to hold it back from being successful and he doesn't believe R600's flagship card will outperform the 8800 GTX by much if at all.

I think the real issue at this point is that we are getting closer to calling the 8900 competition for the R600 as the 8800 came out last year.

I really hope that AMD pulls this off. I may not have been the biggest ATI fan, but I have always been a huge supporter of AMD. This last year or so has been pretty bad for them.

 

[n7]

I am still waiting because:

I don't play many newer games.
I despise the pricing on the 8800 GTS/GTX.
I dislike nVidia's lack of drivers (this is something i've disliked about them for years now; not a recent development).
I dislike how nVidia doesn't seem to have functional portrait mode drivers for XP (even though i'm running Vista 95% of the time now).

I am very unimpressed with AMD though, to say the least.
IMHO, ATi was far better off on their own.
AMD has fuxX0red things up way too much...

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
For what it's worth, Kyle (owner of HardOCP) thinks the R600 is going to be a huge flop based on insider information he's received from people in the industry. He thinks despite the lower price, it's power requirements are going to hold it back from being successful and he doesn't believe R600's flagship card will outperform the 8800 GTX by much if at all.

Obviously means more to you than me, but what the hell the guys got to promote his site.

Why would it mean more to me? I'm simply stating what he's said on his forum and I doubt a few extra hits to HardOCP will make him millions of dollars. If he thinks something is wrong with the R600 then I'd lend more weight to his opinion than the INQ/Fudzilla trash people post around here.

 

[vadp]

Guys, don't be ridicuolous.
ATI is under a new management.
AMD is definately planning something huge, hence the deathening silence creating all the conspiracys and rumors which is not necessarilly a bad thing considering all the speculation going on.
The only sure thing is that the R6XX is gonna either revolutionize and transform the video card industry or become the biggest flop the industry has ever seen.
Sit tight.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: n7
I am still waiting because:

I don't play many newer games.
I despise the pricing on the 8800 GTS/GTX.
I dislike nVidia's lack of drivers (this is something i've disliked about them for years now; not a recent development).
I dislike how nVidia doesn't seem to have functional portrait mode drivers for XP (even though i'm running Vista 95% of the time now).

I am very unimpressed with AMD though, to say the least.
IMHO, ATi was far better off on their own.
AMD has fuxX0red things up way too much...

I mainly just want something with the performance of the GTX that will fit into my case.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: vadp
Guys, don't be ridicuolous.
ATI is under a new management.
AMD is definately planning something huge, hence the deathening silence creating all the conspiracys and rumors which is not necessarilly a bad thing considering all the speculation going on.
The only sure thing is that the R6XX is gonna either revolutionize and transform the video card industry or become the biggest flop the industry has ever seen.
Sit tight.

AMD is going to revolutionize the industry with a $399 card? I dont think so my friend.

Not even AMD's "Director of Product Marketing" Vijay Sharma hinted at anything "revolutionary".

I think the more likely explanation is that AMD is silent because they have learned from ATI's big mouth mistakes such as paper launching. They've seen Nvidia have recent success with keeping their lips sealed and just plain delivering a product and I think they're trying to take this route.

 

[apoppin]

unfortunately AMD isn't silent ...
we have Vj blabbering on ... we are told to look at r600 running FoH and hear about a teraflop ... and we are told it has 'pass thru' for audio, HD goodies like AiW, likely physics processing ... and other neat *goodies*

... just nothing what is important to gamers ... peformance

i hope i am wrong

very wrong

and r600 is a beast

 

[vadp]

Originally posted by: Matt2
AMD is going to revolutionize the industry with a $399 card? I dont think so my friend.

Not even AMD's "Director of Product Marketing" Vijay Sharma hinted at anything "revolutionary".

Do you think they've spend over half year doing nothing?
Yes, the transition definately wasn't easy, but assuming that they will pull off a switch to the 65nm process, while implementing the AMD's CPU manufacturing expertise....
We're looking at the much cheaper to manufacture GPUs, that get considerably better than the 80nm parts power consumption ratings.
AMD (ATI) will definately try to undercut Nvidia in pricing while offering better performance - all across the board.
Yes, that WILL revolutionize the industry if the R6XX chip is capable of high-end performance at today's medium range prices.
In addition the R6XX derivatives look very promising at the low end of the spectrum, where all the volume and profits are.
At least that's how I see it.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: vadp

Originally posted by: Matt2
AMD is going to revolutionize the industry with a $399 card? I dont think so my friend.

Not even AMD's "Director of Product Marketing" Vijay Sharma hinted at anything "revolutionary".

Do you think they've spend over half year doing nothing?
Yes, the transition definately wasn't easy, but assuming that they will pull off a switch to the 65nm process, while implementing the AMD's CPU manufacturing expertise....
We're looking at the much cheaper to manufacture GPUs, that get considerably better than the 80nm parts power consumption ratings.
AMD (ATI) will definately try to undercut Nvidia in pricing while offering better performance - all across the board.
Yes, that WILL revolutionize the industry if the R6XX chip is capable of high-end performance at today's medium range prices.
In addition the R6XX derivatives look very promising at the low end of the spectrum, where all the volume and profits are.
At least that's how I see it.

AMD itself has stated that R600 is 80nm and that's not leaked info.

AMD isnt fabbing the chips anyway, it's still TSMC.

 

[apoppin]

likely guess they spent 6 months 'fixing' it like with x1800 series

and *adding* 'stuff' to it while preping the rest of their lineup which IS on time

 

[vadp]

Originally posted by: Matt2
AMD itself has stated that R600 is 80nm and that's not leaked info.

AMD isnt fabbing the chips anyway, it's still TSMC.

I wasn't saying that AMD will manufacturer the chips at its CPU plants.
I meant they probably will implement some of its flexible manufacturing strategies into the GPU production.
Also AMD's statement on the 80nm R6XX process is not the final word.
That could be another reason for silence - they're busy at converting everything they can to 65nm.

 

[vadp]

 

[Pugnate]

Originally posted by: yacoub
It sure would be funny if someone kept a catalogue of the nay-sayers and their comments and then pasted them all into one giant thread after the R600's official reviews are posted.

hehe

Originally posted by: soybeast

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Looks really bad, if it were actually any good, they would have previewed it to the public already, showing the performance, in order to stall the purchase of more 8800s. The silence speaks volumes ..

To infer that a product is inferior based on lack of evidence is misguided at best. There's many reasons why companies are so secretive about their product, with satisfying the few who can afford to buy the high-end probably low on their list.

In any case, we will all find out soon enough whether AMD is holding any Aces, or simply a folded hand.

Well a good example of what you are saying is the 8800GTX. Back in December everyone was saying that Nvidia was beaten by the R600 and had no answer, and how the 8800 would have no chance. Meanwhile Nvidia released no specs nor any benchies, and then WHAM it was there in all its awesomeness.