I used to get bamboo stick to my rear back in my country (in Asia), although it was rare. It definitely left marks and hurt like hell.
2 is impossible for any 11 year old to do (i think?)
7 is borderline (depends on if it like breaks the legs or something)
8 is really pushing it (same conditions are 7)
9 is abuse
everything else is fine
i've gotten 1, 2 (except holding up a chair - MUCH WORSE than getting hit), 3, 4, 5/6 (wood handle and metal spoon)
I've gotten semi-hit with 7 which was with one of those kendo swords from my dad but those aren't' solid like broom handles are
7 is borderline (depends on if it like breaks the legs or something)
8 is really pushing it (same conditions are 7)
9 is abuse
everything else is fine
i've gotten 1, 2 (except holding up a chair - MUCH WORSE than getting hit), 3, 4, 5/6 (wood handle and metal spoon)
I've gotten semi-hit with 7 which was with one of those kendo swords from my dad but those aren't' solid like broom handles are
PVC Pipe, wow, glad my mom had none of that laying around..... Would have made for some long summers
Growing up I was beat over and over, you name it pipes, garden hose, hammer to the head, because the step father didn't like me. I left home at a very early age and was raised by my sisters....
In my opinion each item you listed is a form of abuse. The question I would ask you is what is the child going to learn? Not to piss you off, to fear you? How about thinking outside the box and teaching the child to learn from the mistakes, teach them the correct way to do things.
The only thing I ever learned was to hate my parents.
If that's how you want things to end up then go ahead, as for me I chose to break the cycle and teach right from wrong.
In my opinion each item you listed is a form of abuse. The question I would ask you is what is the child going to learn? Not to piss you off, to fear you? How about thinking outside the box and teaching the child to learn from the mistakes, teach them the correct way to do things.
The only thing I ever learned was to hate my parents.
If that's how you want things to end up then go ahead, as for me I chose to break the cycle and teach right from wrong.
"time-outs" don't really instill values in kids, it gets them ready for prison though.
If you can punch your brother in the nuts and all you have to do is sit in the corner for 5 minutes, you're going to punch your brother in the nuts as had as you can. Now, if you punch your brother in the nuts and dad's 1st reaction is to punch you in the nuts to give you a taste of your own medicine, you're going to think long and hard about any gain you might get by punching your brother.
Pretty much anything to the ass is acceptable (unless you are breaking the skin). My dad smacked me in the ass with a paint-stirrer when I misbehaved.
I definitely wouldn't hit my kid in the face or legs though.
I definitely wouldn't hit my kid in the face or legs though.
Anubis
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8 and 9 are the only ones i would have issues with
i was given basicially 1-7 as a kid at one point or another
i was given basicially 1-7 as a kid at one point or another
UsandThem
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Wow, so since you don't agree with my opinion, you have to act like a childish asshole/internet tough guy.
I received physical punishment when I was a kid, and I have no problem with spanking, but if I see a freaking adult beating a kid with a PVC pipe, yes I would report it.
Just because you have had mommy or daddy beat your ass because you were a little brat does not mean you have to continue that family tradition.
Aikouka
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I think if you can easily misconstrue the act as something meant to simply cause harm, then it's not correct. Such as, if I saw someone wielding a PVC pipe and rearing to hit someone... I wouldn't think, "Uhoh, someone's being disciplined!"... I'd be thinking, "someone's going to get the shit kicked out of them!"
My mom hit me with a wooden spoon once. I got the last laugh though, because my buns of steel broke the spoon :laugh:.
My mom hit me with a wooden spoon once. I got the last laugh though, because my buns of steel broke the spoon :laugh:.
alkemyst
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almost any discipline can be looked at as torture.
Fact is it's really based on the size, age and tolerance of the child. As a kid a wooden spoon wouldn't phase me. A belt delivered by my dad would get my attention. It was rare.
I don't know about these parent's talking about squeezing 'muscles' up in the neck...good way to easily cause lasting damage that a crack to the ass would never risk.
Striking the hands as well is risky and they can be easily broken with a ruler.
A finger sized (diameter) stick or belt should be the borderline for instrument. A couple good whacks across the tail end with the child stationary and not running around flailing is enough to get the point across.
If done right it should not have to be a repeated thing. Almost all kids I have witnessed whose parents profess they are angels that never have to be 'hit' are unruly little bastards in reality and the parent's just oblivious.
Fact is it's really based on the size, age and tolerance of the child. As a kid a wooden spoon wouldn't phase me. A belt delivered by my dad would get my attention. It was rare.
I don't know about these parent's talking about squeezing 'muscles' up in the neck...good way to easily cause lasting damage that a crack to the ass would never risk.
Striking the hands as well is risky and they can be easily broken with a ruler.
A finger sized (diameter) stick or belt should be the borderline for instrument. A couple good whacks across the tail end with the child stationary and not running around flailing is enough to get the point across.
If done right it should not have to be a repeated thing. Almost all kids I have witnessed whose parents profess they are angels that never have to be 'hit' are unruly little bastards in reality and the parent's just oblivious.
#3 and 9. Those go too far imo. I had all the others used on me at one time or another. A couple of others were
1. rice spread out on the floor, i had to kneel on it with my hands holding two books each spread out.
2. The pinch. My mom used to pinch my tricep if I did something pretty bad. I hated those more than kneeling in the rice, (granted i think I only did the rice thing 3 times.)
The only "abuse" I've done is:
1) Slap my nephew in the back of the head when he was hitting his brother over the head with a toy pool stick (not normal size but maybe 1/4 the size of a normal pool stick)... He cried, told his mommy that "Brandon hit me". Threw a fuss over it. You know what, he acts like a perfect angel around me at all times to this day. His mom never does a thing to him (not even spank, or give him a time out) and hes been on drugs for ADHD since age 7 and goes apeshit around her. Go figure.
2) Just last Thursday my girlfriend and her kid was here, and her 3 year old kid wanted to "help me stir the spaghetti noodles in the pot" while my back was turned to him. When I seen him half way up the side of the stove with the stirrer in his hand splashing boiling water everywhere, I grabbed him by the arm, moved him about 6 feet away from the stove, and spanked him very hard on the butt and told him he could not be around the stove while we are cooking. He instantly came back after crying for 10 seconds as if he didn't learn a thing. So I yelled at him really loud "No" and he jumped on the floor to throw a temper tantrum so I again grabbed him by the arm, dragged him across the floor and into the living room and made his mom hold onto him. I needed to take that stirring spoon and whack it across something in order for him to get an idea, I think, but I didn't.
I don't understand how people could raise their kids and only give them timeouts. I can't even imagine how wild and undisciplined they would be. Humans are conditioned to learn from their mistakes by experiencing pain. If it doesn't hurt, humans don't seem to learn. It doesn't mean you have to whack your kid silly or anything, but some pain when its necessary is not a bad thing. In my case, spanking did nothing with my girlfriends child. I need to kick it up a notch. It doesn't mean I'm gonna tackle him and stomp on his head or anything.
1) Slap my nephew in the back of the head when he was hitting his brother over the head with a toy pool stick (not normal size but maybe 1/4 the size of a normal pool stick)... He cried, told his mommy that "Brandon hit me". Threw a fuss over it. You know what, he acts like a perfect angel around me at all times to this day. His mom never does a thing to him (not even spank, or give him a time out) and hes been on drugs for ADHD since age 7 and goes apeshit around her. Go figure.
2) Just last Thursday my girlfriend and her kid was here, and her 3 year old kid wanted to "help me stir the spaghetti noodles in the pot" while my back was turned to him. When I seen him half way up the side of the stove with the stirrer in his hand splashing boiling water everywhere, I grabbed him by the arm, moved him about 6 feet away from the stove, and spanked him very hard on the butt and told him he could not be around the stove while we are cooking. He instantly came back after crying for 10 seconds as if he didn't learn a thing. So I yelled at him really loud "No" and he jumped on the floor to throw a temper tantrum so I again grabbed him by the arm, dragged him across the floor and into the living room and made his mom hold onto him. I needed to take that stirring spoon and whack it across something in order for him to get an idea, I think, but I didn't.
I don't understand how people could raise their kids and only give them timeouts. I can't even imagine how wild and undisciplined they would be. Humans are conditioned to learn from their mistakes by experiencing pain. If it doesn't hurt, humans don't seem to learn. It doesn't mean you have to whack your kid silly or anything, but some pain when its necessary is not a bad thing. In my case, spanking did nothing with my girlfriends child. I need to kick it up a notch. It doesn't mean I'm gonna tackle him and stomp on his head or anything.
Negatory. I believe you are mistaking Broomstick up the ass with the comment broom to the legs or ass.
Good open handed whack to the ass.
Also a good 1"x1/2" or so piece of wood as a paddle. Or an actual paddle with the holes in them
Do much more than that and I think you've gone over the line.
PVC would work quite well I imagine. You don't have to leave welts or anything.
Also a good 1"x1/2" or so piece of wood as a paddle. Or an actual paddle with the holes in them
Do much more than that and I think you've gone over the line.
PVC would work quite well I imagine. You don't have to leave welts or anything.
I've been smacked around with a bamboo stick many a time growing up and I absolutely deserved it. Would I apply the same form of punishment on my children? That's a good one to ask since I don't have any kids yet but I hope they turn out better listeners to me than I was to mine.
JulesMaximus
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We had a wooden paddle my Dad used to use on us. It was about 18" long, about 4-5" wide and probably 1/2" thick. It was either that or the belt.
Scarpozzi
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They key here is getting police involved. Some kids REALLY need to be worked over, but others won't be affected by physical abuse or physical punishment (like #2) If it's obvious the kid isn't responding to what's considered non-cruel and unusual punishments (simple spanking, etc) some of these might get the point across. However, most would be considered torture by many folks just because the materials used are just too rough or could physically harm the child.
I think it's ok to whip kids that need it, but the ones that have been punished too much would probably do better if they just had something they liked or wanted taken from them. (ie, negative reinforcement) I know a kid that was spanked daily....it just didn't affect him or threaten him because he was used to it. Afterall, the threat of pain IS the punishment....not the pain itself.
1. Spanking on hands - that one is fine
2. Holding out buckets.... - this one is fine, but I doubt a kid could hold it out for too long....20 minutes would probably be enough.
3. Slap to the face - I just plain don't believe in this.
5. Metalic Fly swatter handle - This metal is thin and is not a forgiving material...this is abuse
6. Metal Coat Hanger - same for 5....abuse
7. Broom bristles are ok....broom handle, no.....that would be abuse
8. PVC.....borderline. It totally depends on how hard. The plastic actually wouldn't hurt that much because its weight would be limited and speed would be limited based on its mass.
9. Stomping with boots on....stomping what?
I think it's ok to whip kids that need it, but the ones that have been punished too much would probably do better if they just had something they liked or wanted taken from them. (ie, negative reinforcement) I know a kid that was spanked daily....it just didn't affect him or threaten him because he was used to it. Afterall, the threat of pain IS the punishment....not the pain itself.
1. Spanking on hands - that one is fine
2. Holding out buckets.... - this one is fine, but I doubt a kid could hold it out for too long....20 minutes would probably be enough.
3. Slap to the face - I just plain don't believe in this.
5. Metalic Fly swatter handle - This metal is thin and is not a forgiving material...this is abuse
6. Metal Coat Hanger - same for 5....abuse
7. Broom bristles are ok....broom handle, no.....that would be abuse
8. PVC.....borderline. It totally depends on how hard. The plastic actually wouldn't hurt that much because its weight would be limited and speed would be limited based on its mass.
9. Stomping with boots on....stomping what?
I agree with that. All it does is make you hate your parents. I got the least amount of 'discipline' in my family and I didn't turn into a drug dealer/gang banger. In fact, I may be the most timid. Somewhere along the line, I learned to figure out why not to do things, probably cause of my parents. The 'discipline' didn't do much, and now it still pisses me off that they ever layed a hand on me.
hanoverphist
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honestly, if i witnessed a parent doing 5,6,7, 8 or 9 (the broom thing may be less, if its not the handle) id probably do something about it. personally, at age 11 if you have to resort to any of this you probably didnt start right when they were younger and they wont work anyway. i have a 13 yr old and 2 11 yr olds, and i never have to resort to any of these to get my point across. they arent angels, and will still fuck up at some point, but i doubt ill need to beat them to drive the point home that they fucked up.
2,3,5,,7,8,9 6 is borderline depending on how it is used but you left out the switch and belt. I was never hit in the face and 99.9% time it was a belt on the butt through clothes did no injury and no lasting marks butt was red and sore for a few hours that was it. I never felt abused.
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