Whats your opinion on this video?

jfall

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What is your opinion on this video: http://208.185.54.25/wm.gannett/wxia/meeks_082304.wmv

I believe the officer did the right thing, which unfortuntely resulted in two deaths. Do you think the cops should have tried to stop the car using other means such as spike stripes or by surrounding it instead of going right to the pit maneuver at such high speeds?
 

bradruth

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My campus connection is sh!tty, so I can't wait around to watch the vid right now, but I will say that it's optimal to use spike strips before the PIT.

We had a pursuit last Friday night. I wish I was working at the time. :(
 

Vic

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Obviously it's an unhappy ending, but the driver of the Pathfinder really didn't leave the cops with any choice.


edit: the "pit manuver" is where the cop puts the front corner of his cruiser into the one of the rear wheels of the fleeing vehicle, causing the vehicle to spin. You can see the officer perform the manuver 45 seconds into the video. It's generally used a last ditch effort to stop the car after everything else has failed. This chase did go on for 70 miles before they used it.
 

jfall

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Originally posted by: JonnyStarks
Explain the pit manoever to me?

Basically the cop car is behind and to the side of the other car, the cop swings left or right to hit the back end of the car in order to cause the driver to spin out
 

BlueWeasel

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Well, I really didn't pick up much from the commentato, but why such the urgency? It appeared to be wide open 4-lane or interstate, but were they getting close to a metroarea or something?

[Edit] Nevermind...Vic answered my question. The chase had been going on for 70 miles.

Also, why do all the highspeed chases always seem to be in Georgia?
 

alexeikgb

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Originally posted by: jfall
What is your opinion on this video: http://208.185.54.25/wm.gannett/wxia/meeks_082304.wmv

I believe the officer did the right thing, which unfortuntely resulted in two deaths. Do you think the cops should have tried to stop the car using other means such as spike stripes or by surrounding it instead of going right to the pit maneuver at such high speeds?

In my oppinion, the officer did not do the right thing, who goes for the pit maneuver at very high speed. I am not suprised that the car was devastated and sorry to see that 2 people died. I think your suggestions would've been better for the situation.

Damn cops.....
 

bradruth

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Originally posted by: alexeikgb
In my oppinion, the officer did not do the right thing, who goes for the pit maneuver at very high speed. I am not suprised that the car was devastated and sorry to see that 2 people died. I think your suggestions would've been better for the situation.

Damn cops.....

:disgust:
 

OutHouse

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yes they did the right thing.

i never will understand why people feel the need to start a high speed chase. It looks like after years of watching Cops, Most dangerous police chases... that these morons will know that they will not get away. you cant out run a two way radio, and the cops are not going to just say. "ok, we have chased you too long, we are going to get a donut now".
 

iamme

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Originally posted by: alexeikgb
Originally posted by: jfall
What is your opinion on this video: http://208.185.54.25/wm.gannett/wxia/meeks_082304.wmv

I believe the officer did the right thing, which unfortuntely resulted in two deaths. Do you think the cops should have tried to stop the car using other means such as spike stripes or by surrounding it instead of going right to the pit maneuver at such high speeds?

In my oppinion, the officer did not do the right thing, who goes for the pit maneuver at very high speed. I am not suprised that the car was devastated and sorry to see that 2 people died. I think your suggestions would've been better for the situation.

Damn cops.....

damn criminals for putting innocent lives in danger. better they die than some innocent bystander.
 

dnuggett

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The driver was absolutely creating a hazard to all involved, but I am not convinced that pitting was the right move at that particular time. There are other alternatives, and at least on the clip there was no reason to believe that boxing in and or spike strips would have failed (there was no weapon brandished). I don't know enough about the roadway to say that spike strips would have been an acceptable method but I'm sure that will be decided in court. What I do know is at that rate of speed, pitting would have resulted in disastrous consequences. The officer involved would have known that as well.
 

JonnyStarks

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Originally posted by: Vic
Obviously it's an unhappy ending, but the driver of the Pathfinder really didn't leave the cops with any choice.


edit: the "pit manuver" is where the cop puts the front corner of his cruiser into the one of the rear wheels of the fleeing vehicle, causing the vehicle to spin. You can see the officer perform the manuver 45 seconds into the video. It's generally used a last ditch effort to stop the car after everything else has failed. This chase did go on for 70 miles before they used it.


It does still seem kinda drastic, it took 70 miles for them to figure out that they weren't gonna stop for the sirens? I don't really know what I talking about, but what about those times when they'll just surround the car with cruisers then just slow down collectively?
 

Tweak155

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Originally posted by: alexeikgb
Originally posted by: jfall
What is your opinion on this video: http://208.185.54.25/wm.gannett/wxia/meeks_082304.wmv

I believe the officer did the right thing, which unfortuntely resulted in two deaths. Do you think the cops should have tried to stop the car using other means such as spike stripes or by surrounding it instead of going right to the pit maneuver at such high speeds?

In my oppinion, the officer did not do the right thing, who goes for the pit maneuver at very high speed. I am not suprised that the car was devastated and sorry to see that 2 people died. I think your suggestions would've been better for the situation.

Damn cops.....

That's easy to say now...what if the spikes ran them off the road because they lost control? Then what, they should have used the pit maneuver...right?

It really sucks to know that 2 young people died though, in any event.
 

KLin

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Originally posted by: JonnyStarks
Originally posted by: Vic
Obviously it's an unhappy ending, but the driver of the Pathfinder really didn't leave the cops with any choice.


edit: the "pit manuver" is where the cop puts the front corner of his cruiser into the one of the rear wheels of the fleeing vehicle, causing the vehicle to spin. You can see the officer perform the manuver 45 seconds into the video. It's generally used a last ditch effort to stop the car after everything else has failed. This chase did go on for 70 miles before they used it.


It does still seem kinda drastic, it took 70 miles for them to figure out that they weren't gonna stop for the sirens? I don't really know what I talking about, but what about those times when they'll just surround the car with cruisers then just slow down collectively?

If the driver is desperate enough, they'll just start ramming the police cars to get away.
 

Scarpozzi

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It just goes to show what happens when an SUV gets hit by a car with a lower center of gravity. Especially when the driver of the vehicle is a girl that's going to overcorrect. I hate to say it, but she lost her and her friend's life because she was incredibly stupid. It's a true shame.
 

Yo Ma Ma

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The 21-yo driver at least had control of the situation in that she could have brought it to an end by stopping/pulling over. Really feel sorry for the 17-yo passenger.. talk about wrong place & wrong time.
 

dnuggett

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That's easy to say now...what if the spikes ran them off the road because they lost control? Then what, they should have used the pit maneuver...right?

No, pitting (if done correctly) absolutely puts them off the road, with spikes it is not an absolute. That is why in a lot of jurisdictions pitting is illegal and spikes aren't. While I see your point, it is not valid in this scenario.
 

IHYLN

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they wouldnt have died if they stopped. I dont know how you people justify the two idiots in that car.