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dnuggett

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If the driver is desperate enough, they'll just start ramming the police cars to get away.

While true, the method was not attempted (at least as presented to us). The most severe action was taken, before others were attempted. I did not see any reason to rule out slowing the driver down by congregation. The crusiers would have had no trouble overtaking the SUV if the driver was not combative. We saw no reason to believe that the method would have failed.
 

notfred

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They were endangering everyone else on the road. The cop got them off the road. The validity of the maneuver wouldn't be in question at all had the car ended up in grass rather than hitting a tree. It was simply an unlucky spin that caused the car to hit a tree. Had spike strips or some other method been used, and that method had caused the driver to lose control and hit a tree, people would be questioning the validity of the spike strips, and wondering if the pit maneuver should have been used instead.
 

Crucial

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I don't think people are trying to justify the actions of the girl. I agree that the pit was not the right thing to do at those speeds. The cop knew exactly what would happen if he used it at that high rate of speed. There were no weapons shown or any other show of agression by the driver other than the high speeds. I hope the parents sue the state for wrongful death. The girl wasn't ramming cops or other cars in her attempts to get away. There are definately other ways to try and stop the vehicle at those speeds that wouldn't result in such a catastrophic crash. Now if she had just killed someone or tried shooting at the cops and was running I could see them using such force but this was not the case.

In any case the girl was stupid but she didn't deserve to die and neither did her passenger. Just take alook at the "What's the fastest mph you went?" thread. Plenty of us have gone faster, should we have been spun out of control at speed by a cop because of it? We were all guilty of the same thing as this girl at that point, driving fast.
 

Crucial

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Originally posted by: notfred
They were endangering everyone else on the road. The cop got them off the road. The validity of the maneuver wouldn't be in question at all had the car ended up in grass rather than hitting a tree. It was simply an unlucky spin that caused the car to hit a tree. Had spike strips or some other method been used, and that method had caused the driver to lose control and hit a tree, people would be questioning the validity of the spike strips, and wondering if the pit maneuver should have been used instead.

Spike strips don't cause the car to spin. The pit manuever is designed to spin the car out of control. At that rate of speed there was no question what was goin to happen.
 

dnuggett

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Had spike strips or some other method been used, and that method had caused the driver to lose control and hit a tree, people would be questioning the validity of the spike strips, and wondering if the pit maneuver should have been used instead.

Not true. The pit maneuver is the most drastic choice in a pursuit. Like the other poster who posted the same idea, I see your point, but it is not valid in this scenario.
 

IHYLN

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Originally posted by: Crucial
I don't think people are trying to justify the actions of the girl. I agree that the pit was not the right thing to do at those speeds. The cop knew exactly what would happen if he used it at that high rate of speed. There were no weapons shown or any other show of agression by the driver other than the high speeds. I hope the parents sue the state for wrongful death. The girl wasn't ramming cops or other cars in her attempts to get away. There are definately other ways to try and stop the vehicle at those speeds that wouldn't result in such a catastrophic crash. Now if she had just killed someone or tried shooting at the cops and was running I could see them using such force but this was not the case.

In any case the girl was stupid but she didn't deserve to die and neither did her passenger. Just take alook at the "What's the fastest mph you went?" thread. Plenty of us have gone faster, should we have been spun out of control at speed by a cop because of it? We were all guilty of the same thing as this girl at that point, driving fast.

I can't speak for the people driving fast in that thread you mentioned but if I cop does find me and want to pull me over I'm not going to continue to endanger lives by not pulling over. Either way thats neither here nor there but the kids got what they deserved :beer:
 

MedicBob

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We do not know what happened in the othr 69 miles of the chase: what tactics were used to attemtp to stop them, What else they did such as swerving at the police cars, bystanders, etc.

Either way, if they would have stopped they would be alive. Running because you have a suspended licence? That is dumb
 

gigapet

Lifer
Aug 9, 2001
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dont run from cops and you wont get knocked off the road...seems like a pretty simple concept to me.

:thumbsup: for the officer, he should be commended for a job well done.
 

virtueixi

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I don't think the cops took the passenger into account. For all they know he wanted her to stop the car. This is why I think they should have tried to shoot out the tires or something else. Who knows another 100 miles and she could have ran out of gas, especially driving 100+. However, she could have killed herself and taken another car with her, so I would have to agree with them in the end.
 

Crucial

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Originally posted by: IHYLN
Originally posted by: Crucial
I don't think people are trying to justify the actions of the girl. I agree that the pit was not the right thing to do at those speeds. The cop knew exactly what would happen if he used it at that high rate of speed. There were no weapons shown or any other show of agression by the driver other than the high speeds. I hope the parents sue the state for wrongful death. The girl wasn't ramming cops or other cars in her attempts to get away. There are definately other ways to try and stop the vehicle at those speeds that wouldn't result in such a catastrophic crash. Now if she had just killed someone or tried shooting at the cops and was running I could see them using such force but this was not the case.

In any case the girl was stupid but she didn't deserve to die and neither did her passenger. Just take alook at the "What's the fastest mph you went?" thread. Plenty of us have gone faster, should we have been spun out of control at speed by a cop because of it? We were all guilty of the same thing as this girl at that point, driving fast.

I can't speak for the people driving fast in that thread you mentioned but if I cop does find me and want to pull me over I'm not going to continue to endanger lives by not pulling over. Either way thats neither here nor there but the kids got what they deserved :beer:

You have got to be kidding me. They deserved to die because of trying to run from the cops. That is just fvcked up.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: IHYLN
Originally posted by: Crucial
I don't think people are trying to justify the actions of the girl. I agree that the pit was not the right thing to do at those speeds. The cop knew exactly what would happen if he used it at that high rate of speed. There were no weapons shown or any other show of agression by the driver other than the high speeds. I hope the parents sue the state for wrongful death. The girl wasn't ramming cops or other cars in her attempts to get away. There are definately other ways to try and stop the vehicle at those speeds that wouldn't result in such a catastrophic crash. Now if she had just killed someone or tried shooting at the cops and was running I could see them using such force but this was not the case.

In any case the girl was stupid but she didn't deserve to die and neither did her passenger. Just take alook at the "What's the fastest mph you went?" thread. Plenty of us have gone faster, should we have been spun out of control at speed by a cop because of it? We were all guilty of the same thing as this girl at that point, driving fast.

I can't speak for the people driving fast in that thread you mentioned but if I cop does find me and want to pull me over I'm not going to continue to endanger lives by not pulling over. Either way thats neither here nor there but the kids got what they deserved :beer:

You have got to be kidding me. They deserved to die because of trying to run from the cops. That is just fvcked up.

I forgot running from police is a capital offense :roll:
 

Gurck

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Says the file isn't there, but I take it from responses that the only ones harmed were the criminal driver and her accomplice? I'm with the police, if that's the case. Also quite nice to see an instance of the gene pool getting a little cleaner, most changes to it just muddy it up (warning labels, idiots breeding like rabbits, etc).
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: IHYLN
Originally posted by: Crucial
I don't think people are trying to justify the actions of the girl. I agree that the pit was not the right thing to do at those speeds. The cop knew exactly what would happen if he used it at that high rate of speed. There were no weapons shown or any other show of agression by the driver other than the high speeds. I hope the parents sue the state for wrongful death. The girl wasn't ramming cops or other cars in her attempts to get away. There are definately other ways to try and stop the vehicle at those speeds that wouldn't result in such a catastrophic crash. Now if she had just killed someone or tried shooting at the cops and was running I could see them using such force but this was not the case.

In any case the girl was stupid but she didn't deserve to die and neither did her passenger. Just take alook at the "What's the fastest mph you went?" thread. Plenty of us have gone faster, should we have been spun out of control at speed by a cop because of it? We were all guilty of the same thing as this girl at that point, driving fast.

I can't speak for the people driving fast in that thread you mentioned but if I cop does find me and want to pull me over I'm not going to continue to endanger lives by not pulling over. Either way thats neither here nor there but the kids got what they deserved :beer:

You have got to be kidding me. They deserved to die because of trying to run from the cops. That is just fvcked up.

I forgot running from police is a capital offense :roll:


if you play with fire sometimes you get burned....
 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: IHYLN
Originally posted by: Crucial
I don't think people are trying to justify the actions of the girl. I agree that the pit was not the right thing to do at those speeds. The cop knew exactly what would happen if he used it at that high rate of speed. There were no weapons shown or any other show of agression by the driver other than the high speeds. I hope the parents sue the state for wrongful death. The girl wasn't ramming cops or other cars in her attempts to get away. There are definately other ways to try and stop the vehicle at those speeds that wouldn't result in such a catastrophic crash. Now if she had just killed someone or tried shooting at the cops and was running I could see them using such force but this was not the case.

In any case the girl was stupid but she didn't deserve to die and neither did her passenger. Just take alook at the "What's the fastest mph you went?" thread. Plenty of us have gone faster, should we have been spun out of control at speed by a cop because of it? We were all guilty of the same thing as this girl at that point, driving fast.

I can't speak for the people driving fast in that thread you mentioned but if I cop does find me and want to pull me over I'm not going to continue to endanger lives by not pulling over. Either way thats neither here nor there but the kids got what they deserved :beer:

You have got to be kidding me. They deserved to die because of trying to run from the cops. That is just fvcked up.

I forgot running from police is a capital offense :roll:


if you play with fire sometimes you get burned....

Yes, but this is like a fireman pouring gas on you while you play with fire.
I could see if they were hitting other cars, but they weren't even going that fast.
 

gigapet

Lifer
Aug 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: IHYLN
Originally posted by: Crucial
I don't think people are trying to justify the actions of the girl. I agree that the pit was not the right thing to do at those speeds. The cop knew exactly what would happen if he used it at that high rate of speed. There were no weapons shown or any other show of agression by the driver other than the high speeds. I hope the parents sue the state for wrongful death. The girl wasn't ramming cops or other cars in her attempts to get away. There are definately other ways to try and stop the vehicle at those speeds that wouldn't result in such a catastrophic crash. Now if she had just killed someone or tried shooting at the cops and was running I could see them using such force but this was not the case.

In any case the girl was stupid but she didn't deserve to die and neither did her passenger. Just take alook at the "What's the fastest mph you went?" thread. Plenty of us have gone faster, should we have been spun out of control at speed by a cop because of it? We were all guilty of the same thing as this girl at that point, driving fast.

I can't speak for the people driving fast in that thread you mentioned but if I cop does find me and want to pull me over I'm not going to continue to endanger lives by not pulling over. Either way thats neither here nor there but the kids got what they deserved :beer:

You have got to be kidding me. They deserved to die because of trying to run from the cops. That is just fvcked up.

I forgot running from police is a capital offense :roll:


if you play with fire sometimes you get burned....

Yes, but this is like a fireman pouring gas on you while you play with fire.
I could see if they were hitting other cars, but they weren't even going that fast.

no no.....they were pouring on the gasoline themselves when they refused to pull over.

 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: IHYLN
Originally posted by: Crucial
I don't think people are trying to justify the actions of the girl. I agree that the pit was not the right thing to do at those speeds. The cop knew exactly what would happen if he used it at that high rate of speed. There were no weapons shown or any other show of agression by the driver other than the high speeds. I hope the parents sue the state for wrongful death. The girl wasn't ramming cops or other cars in her attempts to get away. There are definately other ways to try and stop the vehicle at those speeds that wouldn't result in such a catastrophic crash. Now if she had just killed someone or tried shooting at the cops and was running I could see them using such force but this was not the case.

In any case the girl was stupid but she didn't deserve to die and neither did her passenger. Just take alook at the "What's the fastest mph you went?" thread. Plenty of us have gone faster, should we have been spun out of control at speed by a cop because of it? We were all guilty of the same thing as this girl at that point, driving fast.

I can't speak for the people driving fast in that thread you mentioned but if I cop does find me and want to pull me over I'm not going to continue to endanger lives by not pulling over. Either way thats neither here nor there but the kids got what they deserved :beer:

You have got to be kidding me. They deserved to die because of trying to run from the cops. That is just fvcked up.

I forgot running from police is a capital offense :roll:


if you play with fire sometimes you get burned....

Yes, but this is like a fireman pouring gas on you while you play with fire.
I could see if they were hitting other cars, but they weren't even going that fast.

no no.....they were pouring on the gasoline themselves when they refused to pull over.

Would they be dead if the cop didn't do the pit maneuver? Their top speed was what, 86? People do that on I-5 here all the time.
 

gigapet

Lifer
Aug 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool

I forgot running from police is a capital offense :roll:


if you play with fire sometimes you get burned....

Yes, but this is like a fireman pouring gas on you while you play with fire.
I could see if they were hitting other cars, but they weren't even going that fast.

no no.....they were pouring on the gasoline themselves when they refused to pull over.

[/quote]

Would they be dead if the cop didn't do the pit maneuver? Their top speed was what, 86? People do that on I-5 here all the time.[/quote]

would they be dead if they pulled to the side of the road like they are required to do by law?

your login name says it all about you.
 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: IHYLN
Originally posted by: Crucial
I don't think people are trying to justify the actions of the girl. I agree that the pit was not the right thing to do at those speeds. The cop knew exactly what would happen if he used it at that high rate of speed. There were no weapons shown or any other show of agression by the driver other than the high speeds. I hope the parents sue the state for wrongful death. The girl wasn't ramming cops or other cars in her attempts to get away. There are definately other ways to try and stop the vehicle at those speeds that wouldn't result in such a catastrophic crash. Now if she had just killed someone or tried shooting at the cops and was running I could see them using such force but this was not the case.

In any case the girl was stupid but she didn't deserve to die and neither did her passenger. Just take alook at the "What's the fastest mph you went?" thread. Plenty of us have gone faster, should we have been spun out of control at speed by a cop because of it? We were all guilty of the same thing as this girl at that point, driving fast.

I can't speak for the people driving fast in that thread you mentioned but if I cop does find me and want to pull me over I'm not going to continue to endanger lives by not pulling over. Either way thats neither here nor there but the kids got what they deserved :beer:

You have got to be kidding me. They deserved to die because of trying to run from the cops. That is just fvcked up.

I forgot running from police is a capital offense :roll:


if you play with fire sometimes you get burned....

Yes, but this is like a fireman pouring gas on you while you play with fire.
I could see if they were hitting other cars, but they weren't even going that fast.

no no.....they were pouring on the gasoline themselves when they refused to pull over.

Would they be dead if the cop didn't do the pit maneuver? Their top speed was what, 86? People do that on I-5 here all the time.

would they be dead if they pulled to the side of the road like they are required to do by law?

your login name says it all about you.

Well, they didn't know any better, but the cop should have.
 

gigapet

Lifer
Aug 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Yes, but this is like a fireman pouring gas on you while you play with fire.
I could see if they were hitting other cars, but they weren't even going that fast.

no no.....they were pouring on the gasoline themselves when they refused to pull over.

Would they be dead if the cop didn't do the pit maneuver? Their top speed was what, 86? People do that on I-5 here all the time.

would they be dead if they pulled to the side of the road like they are required to do by law?

your login name says it all about you.
[/quote]

Well, they didn't know any better, but the cop should have.[/quote]


they didnt know any better? Stop making excuses for irresponsible retards.
 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: IHYLN
Originally posted by: Crucial
I don't think people are trying to justify the actions of the girl. I agree that the pit was not the right thing to do at those speeds. The cop knew exactly what would happen if he used it at that high rate of speed. There were no weapons shown or any other show of agression by the driver other than the high speeds. I hope the parents sue the state for wrongful death. The girl wasn't ramming cops or other cars in her attempts to get away. There are definately other ways to try and stop the vehicle at those speeds that wouldn't result in such a catastrophic crash. Now if she had just killed someone or tried shooting at the cops and was running I could see them using such force but this was not the case.

In any case the girl was stupid but she didn't deserve to die and neither did her passenger. Just take alook at the "What's the fastest mph you went?" thread. Plenty of us have gone faster, should we have been spun out of control at speed by a cop because of it? We were all guilty of the same thing as this girl at that point, driving fast.

I can't speak for the people driving fast in that thread you mentioned but if I cop does find me and want to pull me over I'm not going to continue to endanger lives by not pulling over. Either way thats neither here nor there but the kids got what they deserved :beer:

You have got to be kidding me. They deserved to die because of trying to run from the cops. That is just fvcked up.

I forgot running from police is a capital offense :roll:


if you play with fire sometimes you get burned....

Yes, but this is like a fireman pouring gas on you while you play with fire.
I could see if they were hitting other cars, but they weren't even going that fast.

no no.....they were pouring on the gasoline themselves when they refused to pull over.

Would they be dead if the cop didn't do the pit maneuver? Their top speed was what, 86? People do that on I-5 here all the time.

would they be dead if they pulled to the side of the road like they are required to do by law?

your login name says it all about you.

Well, they didn't know any better, but the cop should have.


they didnt know any better? Stop making excuses for irresponsible retards.

I am not, but they paid for their mistakes, the cop should pay for his.
 

gigapet

Lifer
Aug 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: SuperTool

Yes, but this is like a fireman pouring gas on you while you play with fire.
I could see if they were hitting other cars, but they weren't even going that fast.

no no.....they were pouring on the gasoline themselves when they refused to pull over.

Would they be dead if the cop didn't do the pit maneuver? Their top speed was what, 86? People do that on I-5 here all the time.

would they be dead if they pulled to the side of the road like they are required to do by law?

your login name says it all about you.
[/quote]

Well, they didn't know any better, but the cop should have.[/quote]


they didnt know any better? Stop making excuses for irresponsible retards.
[/quote]

I am not, but they paid for their mistakes, the cop should pay for his.[/quote]

He didnt make a mistake, he got a dangerous driver/CRIMINAL off the road while keeping the other cars on the road free from danger. He should be rewarded and promoted for a perfectly executed maneuver. You on the other hand should be punished and demoted for a perfectly executed idiotic babble.