Sorry, the police cannot "shoot out" tires. All shots fired is considered deadly force and must be justified.
Here in California, the PITT is being reconsidered. For some departments, the PITT manuver is considered deadly force. Others have guidelines where you cannot PITT a vehicle going over 35mph. CHP just recently lost the PITT because the state couldn't repair/replace the car's fast enough.
Spike strips are rarely effective for a couple reasons. Spike strips have to be manually deployed on the street/highway. I don't know about you guys but they don't pay me enough to stand in FRONT of the pursuit vechile to throw a spike strip. Also, you can't really pre-lay spike strips because the suspect would just avoid it. Covering the whole street would spike strips would disable the suspect's vehicle but in the same time disabling police vehicles. City doesn't like to pay for damages they can avoid.
Spike strips at that rate of speed probably would have generated the same outcome. If a SUV can flip with 1 Firestone flat, image 4 :Q
-Jimbo
WRONG. It was exessive force resulting in unnecessary deaths of two people. He should be reprimanded.
Whne I first saw it I was surprised that they would pit at that speed. That's insane. I would have tried to box and slow the driver down and then pit.
But then after hearing it was a 70 mile chase. How long do they let it go on? There was a window of opportunity and they took it. Give it a few more seconds and the driver could have been in traffic again endangering other lives.
Seems severe but I think it was justified considering the length of the chase. The cop knew that there was a good chance they would get hurt with a pit at that speed. But he can't necessarily have known they would have died. The car could have easily flipped and rolled down the highway or it could have just spun in circles and come to a stop. There's no telling exactly what is going to happen.
But then after hearing it was a 70 mile chase. How long do they let it go on? There was a window of opportunity and they took it. Give it a few more seconds and the driver could have been in traffic again endangering other lives.
Seems severe but I think it was justified considering the length of the chase. The cop knew that there was a good chance they would get hurt with a pit at that speed. But he can't necessarily have known they would have died. The car could have easily flipped and rolled down the highway or it could have just spun in circles and come to a stop. There's no telling exactly what is going to happen.
DannyLove
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- Oct 17, 2000
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That is total bullsh|t. Pit move @ High Rate of Speed = BAD MOVE. What did they think was going to happen? Death was probably the only thing that would happen and DID happen. Idiot cops. That never happens here in Los Angeles, and we have a sh|t load of high speed chases. They always wait until they hit the streets where they aren't going as fast to cause more harm than good.
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Spike strips are typically used on sections of road that have no other traffic on them at the moment, or where cops have closed off access to the road. Attempting to use spike strips on a busy highway would have been insanity.
No, she was actively fleeing the cops. There is a big difference between that and speeding. :roll:
Correct .. I've been an idiot and driven way too fast in the pass. At the sametime whenever a cop has flashed turned on a siren behind me I got over to the side RIGHT away. I know I can't run from the police. I know that if I start running I might get killed. And I know that if I keep running I might kill someone else. It is too bad that these guys got killed ... but it'd be even worse if they'd killed someone else.
This somewhat reminds me of the talk a few years ago of Police not being allowed to pursue high-speed chasers (because of the potential damage that the guy running would cause while he was fleeing plus the fact that they might kill him while trying to make him stop). At what point do we say that it's okay to let someone go because the only way to stop him/her MIGHT kill her. No ... everybody knows that the cops will always keep after you. It makes no sense to keep running.
This somewhat reminds me of the talk a few years ago of Police not being allowed to pursue high-speed chasers (because of the potential damage that the guy running would cause while he was fleeing plus the fact that they might kill him while trying to make him stop). At what point do we say that it's okay to let someone go because the only way to stop him/her MIGHT kill her. No ... everybody knows that the cops will always keep after you. It makes no sense to keep running.
I've only seen that happen once...Guy was driving an MB and doing 120, the cops could barely keep up and the chase had gone on for so long their radios were getting out of range.
You endanger everyone's lives when you drive. Let's shoot you.
She was going 86 mph tops. People speed 86mph on highways all the time. I would agree with you if she was going the wrong way on the interstate or ramming cars. But in this case, I think if the cop didn't kill them for kicks, noone would get hurt. Are you saying the cops who chased them before georgia cops took over were irresponsible by not doing a PIT earlier?
Would they be dead if the cop didn't do the pit maneuver? Their top speed was what, 86? People do that on I-5 here all the time.[/quote]
would they be dead if they pulled to the side of the road like they are required to do by law?
your login name says it all about you.
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Well, they didn't know any better, but the cop should have.[/quote]
they didnt know any better? Stop making excuses for irresponsible retards.
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I am not, but they paid for their mistakes, the cop should pay for his.[/quote]
He didnt make a mistake, he got a dangerous driver/CRIMINAL off the road while keeping the other cars on the road free from danger. He should be rewarded and promoted for a perfectly executed maneuver. You on the other hand should be punished and demoted for a perfectly executed idiotic babble.
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WRONG. It was exessive force resulting in unnecessary deaths of two people. He should be reprimanded.[/quote]
what part was i wrong about?
1) he got the drivers off the road....he did the video proves it
2) kept civilians out of harms way.....he did the video proves it
3) performed the maneuver perfectly....he did the video proves it
4) you spout idiotic babble....you do, all your posts in this thread prove it
MrDudeMan
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- Jan 15, 2001
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doesnt it say in the video she was going over 100?
and cant you two idiots (supertool and gigapet) delete all of the crap quotes and just quote that last one you are replying to? man that is annoying...you would think people with over 7 posts would figure that out.
edit: she was clocked at 86 you tard...it says RIGHT after that she was going over 100
No you are forgetting that they REFUSED to pull over....therefore forfeiting there rights to not getting shoved off the roadway....similar to me waving a gun in a crowded movie theater....if the cops come in and tell me to put it down and i dont.....do i have a right to bitch if they shoot me between the eyes? of course not.
look up responsibility in the dictionary..its clear you dont have an understanding of its meaning.
They could have just kept following until that gas guzzler ran out of gas. I'm sure that wasn't too far off when the pit was executed (no pun intended).
You can you justify the stupidity of the damn driver? She is the one endangering other people's lives...NOT the cops. Are they supposed to do nothing? Others have made very good arguments on why spike strips weren't used....and you don't know what they did before the finale. She had 70 damn miles to stop her freaking car and she didn't.....you don't let idiots like that endanger other peoples lives. You'd all be screaming why nothing was done if she killed other people later on in the chase. The cop did the right thing and the bottom line is.....don't run from the cops. I would buy the cop a beer for cleaning up the gene pool after giving the retard PLENTY of time to give themselves up.
Oh yeah? And were they wearing seat belts? Not that it likely would have made a difference, but if they weren't, that's a double fvck them for breaking the law yet again. 
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