whats "wrong" with Honda accord V6 engine?

[StageLeft]

Are you seriously asking that question? How about the fact that the V6 costs more? It's like what's wrong with a mercedes and why do so many people buy cavaliers instead?

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: TechnoKid
The hit in fuel economy isn't that much for me. A 6er makes it much more easy to merge onto freeways around here, and when I carry a full load (4 people total, 1 driver 3 pass, plus cargo), a 6 makes it much better power wise to drive on the highway when going through hills. Dad has a 1998.5 2.8 V6 30v Audi A6, mom has a 97 accord i4, and the Audi is much more satisfying to drive power wise; the 6 feels smoother in delivering power than the 4.

auto for auto, the 03+ I4 is just as fast as the 98-02 V6. This generation the accord got a clean sheet I4 design.

 

[jvarszegi]

Its biggest fault is that it's in one of the more overpriced vehicles out there.

 

[vtecluder]

Originally posted by: jvarszegi
Its biggest fault is that it's in one of the more overpriced vehicles out there.

:Q

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: jvarszegi
Its biggest fault is that it's in one of the more overpriced vehicles out there.

As are most imports.

but it's whatever floats your own boat.

 

[richardycc]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Are you seriously asking that question? How about the fact that the V6 costs more? It's like what's wrong with a mercedes and why do so many people buy cavaliers instead?

I thought the price and gas milage diff are well understood, I asked because maybe there are some technologically reasons unbeknown to me that people would opt for the 4cyl, stuff like maybe the 4cyl has a timing chain vs the v6 has a belt, one is interfering, one is non-interfering, etc.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: richardycc

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Are you seriously asking that question? How about the fact that the V6 costs more? It's like what's wrong with a mercedes and why do so many people buy cavaliers instead?

I thought the price and gas milage diff are well understood, I asked because maybe there are some technologically reasons unbeknown to me that people would opt for the 4cyl, stuff like maybe the 4cyl has a timing chain vs the v6 has a belt, one is interfering, one is non-interfering, etc.

You average vehical consumer don't even know what your talking about.

 

[redly]

Topic Title: whats "wrong" with Honda accord V6 engine?

Topic Summary: seems like they sell more 4cyl than V6.

haha...you overestimate the brains of the average Honda buyer. Most of them are buying a Honda for it's reputation for quality and resale. If Honda started spewing out crap engines, people would continue to buy them in hoards for years until the reputation caught up with them

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: TechnoKid
The hit in fuel economy isn't that much for me. A 6er makes it much more easy to merge onto freeways around here, and when I carry a full load (4 people total, 1 driver 3 pass, plus cargo), a 6 makes it much better power wise to drive on the highway when going through hills. Dad has a 1998.5 2.8 V6 30v Audi A6, mom has a 97 accord i4, and the Audi is much more satisfying to drive power wise; the 6 feels smoother in delivering power than the 4.

auto for auto, the 03+ I4 is just as fast as the 98-02 V6. This generation the accord got a clean sheet I4 design.

Just as fast? Um, nope it's not See any stock vs stock timeslip. Or race one. (I went up against an 02 AV6 coupe and she consistently pulled on me. When I drove hers, there was better overall power not to mention the smoothness and the (slight) extra torque the 6G V6 has over our I4's.

 

[jvarszegi]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: TechnoKid
The hit in fuel economy isn't that much for me. A 6er makes it much more easy to merge onto freeways around here, and when I carry a full load (4 people total, 1 driver 3 pass, plus cargo), a 6 makes it much better power wise to drive on the highway when going through hills. Dad has a 1998.5 2.8 V6 30v Audi A6, mom has a 97 accord i4, and the Audi is much more satisfying to drive power wise; the 6 feels smoother in delivering power than the 4.

auto for auto, the 03+ I4 is just as fast as the 98-02 V6. This generation the accord got a clean sheet I4 design.

Just as fast? Um, nope it's not See any stock vs stock timeslip. Or race one. (I went up against an 02 AV6 coupe and she consistently pulled on me. When I drove hers, there was better overall power not to mention the smoothness and the (slight) extra torque the 6G V6 has over our I4's.

Amen regarding the smoothness. My girlfriend has a 2004 Accord I4, and although it's got a lot more pep than I expected, I would never call the power delivery smooth when you really stomp on the gas and go through the gears.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: jvarszegi
Its biggest fault is that it's in one of the more overpriced vehicles out there.

As are most imports.

but it's whatever floats your own boat.

Maybe if you look only at the sticker price and don't consider the actual cost of ownership.

 

[Linux23]

I'd go Nissan, but i'm a little biased.


Nissan~Driven

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: jvarszegi
Its biggest fault is that it's in one of the more overpriced vehicles out there.

As are most imports.

but it's whatever floats your own boat.

Maybe if you look only at the sticker price and don't consider the actual cost of ownership.

You mean Like timming belt replacements and bent valves when they break.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Fingers
You mean Like timming belt replacements and bent valves when they break.

Repairs, depreciation, insurance, gas, etc.

Car | MSRP | 5-Year Ownership Cost | % of MSRP
Accord | 23,500 | 28,493 | 121.25%
Camry | 19,045 | 26,035 | 136.70%
Impala | 21,485 | 30,518 | 142.04%
Stratus | 21,590 | 33,959 | 157.29%
Taurus | 19,830 | 32,440 | 163.59%

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: jvarszegi
Its biggest fault is that it's in one of the more overpriced vehicles out there.

As are most imports.

but it's whatever floats your own boat.

Maybe if you look only at the sticker price and don't consider the actual cost of ownership.

If you look at his previous posts in car threads you'll see where he stands so any objective opinion from this guy is basically moot.

 

[Imdmn04]

It's a family car, not a racer.

Most people who buy these cars are 35+ and has a family to transport. They don't need it to go fast.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: jvarszegi
Its biggest fault is that it's in one of the more overpriced vehicles out there.

As are most imports.

but it's whatever floats your own boat.

Maybe if you look only at the sticker price and don't consider the actual cost of ownership.

You mean Like timming belt replacements and bent valves when they break.

I4 accords are timing chain these days.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: RiDE
If you look at his previous posts in car threads you'll see where he stands so any objective opinion from this guy is basically moot.

I don't expect anyone to be objective about cars, it's a personal choice. Say foreign cars are ugly - fine, that's your taste. Say they have poorly-designed interiors - fine, that's your opinion. Say you won't buy foreign cars because it's unpatriotic - fine (and stop shopping at Walmart while you're at it). But cost is not subjective, facts are facts (and anectdotes are anectdotes).

 

[jvarszegi]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RiDE
If you look at his previous posts in car threads you'll see where he stands so any objective opinion from this guy is basically moot.

I don't expect anyone to be objective about cars, it's a personal choice. Say foreign cars are ugly - fine, that's your taste. Say they have poorly-designed interiors - fine, that's your opinion. Say you won't buy foreign cars because it's unpatriotic - fine (and stop shopping at Walmart while you're at it). But cost is not subjective, facts are facts (and anectdotes are anectdotes).

Yep. That's a great site you linked to. I just bought my first foreign car this week-- a 2005 Impreza WRX wagon. Now I sorta wish I could see numbers on the cost of ownership for my car, but the site doesn't have 'em. Thanks, though. I admit that the Accord is not a bad buy now-- although I still think my girlfriend overspent on hers. She spent around 30k for a four-cylinder one by basically maxing out on everything, including leather seats.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

No need for V6 and it's cheaper as well as better gas mileage

Many people complain about the torque on it, but honestly, it's fine for daily driving. Honda designed it with the purpose of daily driving and it does it just fine, the torque curve is fine for daily driving.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: RiDE
If you look at his previous posts in car threads you'll see where he stands so any objective opinion from this guy is basically moot.

I don't expect anyone to be objective about cars, it's a personal choice. Say foreign cars are ugly - fine, that's your taste. Say they have poorly-designed interiors - fine, that's your opinion. Say you won't buy foreign cars because it's unpatriotic - fine (and stop shopping at Walmart while you're at it). But cost is not subjective, facts are facts (and anectdotes are anectdotes).

I don't have a problem with it either but some people here are just fanboys who will ignore those facts without admitting that they were wrong.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
4 cylinder accord with 5 speed auto is plenty fast. That's the one I would get. Accord is A-B transportation, so no point optioning it out like a sports car.

Plus everyone knows that if you just cut the coils, bolt a giant wing on the trunk and slap some ricey stickers on it you've got a car that can hang with a Viper!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: jvarszegi
Yep. That's a great site you linked to. I just bought my first foreign car this week-- a 2005 Impreza WRX wagon. Now I sorta wish I could see numbers on the cost of ownership for my car, but the site doesn't have 'em. Thanks, though. I admit that the Accord is not a bad buy now-- although I still think my girlfriend overspent on hers. She spent around 30k for a four-cylinder one by basically maxing out on everything, including leather seats.

Cost of ownership isn't the only factor to consider in buying a car (I only referenced it because Finger brought it up). I'm sure you'll have a lot more fun in your car than in an Accord. :thumbsup:

 

[toant103]

Originally posted by: richardycc
looking for a new 05 4dr sedan in the $20-25k range, I test drove the Accord 2.4 4cyl and 3.0 V6, and liked the V6 better for more horsepower. But it seems like most people are buying the 4cyl instead of V6, is it because vtec in the 4banger? or there is something technologically wrong with the V6 that I don't know about? What else is a good choice in the $20-25k range other than Accord and Camry that I might overlook?

becaus the V4 is cheaper

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: RiDE

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: jvarszegi
Its biggest fault is that it's in one of the more overpriced vehicles out there.

As are most imports.

but it's whatever floats your own boat.

Maybe if you look only at the sticker price and don't consider the actual cost of ownership.

If you look at his previous posts in car threads you'll see where he stands so any objective opinion from this guy is basically moot.

Yes I do have my opinions and I know some people here won't agree. Believe it or not There are american cars and companies that I dislike and foriegn ones that I do like.

I come off the way I do on these forums simply because of the amount of foriegn only fanboys. Label me what you like but I'm not the american only guy you might think of me.

I consider myself fairly objective because I have worked in a garage (non dealer) and had the oportunity to drive and reapair many different makes and models.

I'm gonna even take the time to generalize my opinion on different makes just to show I'm not a complete american made fanboy.

Ford, Lincoln, Mercury----->Quality vehical thats easy to work on
More recent ford makes such as land rover, Jag ect------> not very reliable and expensive to maintain and nearly impossible for the do it yourselfer.
Chevy, GMC, Cadilac, Pontiac -------> See ford opinion
More recent GM makes -----> see same for more recent forad makes opinion
Jeep, Dodge, ect ------> Easy to work on but not as reliable as ford or GM
Honda --------> quality vehical reliable and easy to work on
Toyota ---------> quality vehical reliable and almost as easy to work on as a honda
nissan ---------> fairly reliable but PITA to work on
kia, huyndai ---------> POS in general
BMW --------> good thing they cost a lot because maintnence will kill you, even an oil change requires special tools. PITA to work on as well
mercedes--------> see BMW
Volkswagen ---------> reliable, quite fond of them because of their TDI's but in general PITA to work on.

Hopefully this might clear up any opionions about my bias.

These opions also have been formed from limited experiance road testing each model I have worked on and what I have seen from the repair side of things from Enginuity customers located in Virginia Beach, VA

Hope this clears anything up.

BTW shop opinions= 5 Ford guys, 1 chevy guy, 1 ford/chevy guy, 1 toyota guy, 1 honda guy and 1 volkswagen guy(owner)