What's With The Hate And Assumptions About People Who Like Halo?

[NaOH]

Reading some of the "discussions" in the PC Gaming section of AT, I'm noticing a big trend of people who relate liking Halo 3 to not being an avid PC gamer. I've been a PC gamer since forever and have gotten really into(Local Tourneys) CS since it was 1.0-Source, Quake 3, UT-2Kx, TFC-TF2 and still love Halo. Why? Just because it's such a solid console shooter (Compared to what's out there). It's also a lot more convenient to game with all your friends in one place then to have a LAN party (in which everyone needs a decent computer, a copy of the game, etc). I guess I enjoy it because I can easily play with my friends in RL and hang with them in person. Shoot, a lot of my gfs can easily pick up the game as well (where alt. they would need to have a computer capable of playing the game, which is 95% of the time not the case). I'm sure most of everyone here doesn't assume anything about PC gamers (considering a majority of the people here should be PC gamers anyways).

On top of that, my friends who also have a xbox/360 can still play with me ranked competitively on Live, so I see it as win win.

If you don't really chill with your friends in RL then I guess that takes away a big part of my argument. But then again, I still play it quite often when I'm just relaxing at home. 🙂

PS. Yes, I love the mouse+keyboard combo. But I actually also love using the super comfortable 360 game pad.

 

[Oyeve]

I havent played H3 yet, but most bitching i see has to do to the fact thats its more of the same as H1 and H2, which, IMO, is a good thing! It it aint broke, dont fix it! I have all the NFS games for multiple consoles and of course for the PC. I love em all, except not so much love for carbon, but its still a good game. Why? Because I like the series. Same can be said with call of duty, MOH and so on. What do these whiners want? A completely different type of game? Then it wouldnt be called Halo "3". Its a continuation on a theme, not a totally new game story, style et...al. My only concern, from what I have read, is a short single player campain. Other than that, if its like H1 and H2 then its probably a good game.

 

[purbeast0]

It's because the majority if "hardcore" PC gamers are elitists and feel better about themselves by putting down others who only spent $400 on a console instead of the $1500 or whatever they spent on their consoles, who also just cannot and will not grasp the concept that controlling an FPS with a controller is not bad at all, it's just not as precise as a mouse.

Also most "hardcore" PC gamers are internet geeks, and as we all know, internet geeks tend to hate what the masses love just out of principle.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: Oyeve
I havent played H3 yet, but most bitching i see has to do to the fact thats its more of the same as H1 and H2, which, IMO, is a good thing! It it aint broke, dont fix it! I have all the NFS games for multiple consoles and of course for the PC. I love em all, except not so much love for carbon, but its still a good game. Why? Because I like the series. Same can be said with call of duty, MOH and so on. What do these whiners want? A completely different type of game? Then it wouldnt be called Halo "3". Its a continuation on a theme, not a totally new game story, style et...al. My only concern, from what I have read, is a short single player campain. Other than that, if its like H1 and H2 then its probably a good game.

True, gameplay itself is essentially the same. All the new guns and bubble things add more depth to the MP though.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
who also just cannot and will not grasp the concept that controlling an FPS with a controller is not bad at all, it's just not as precise as a mouse.

To me it is... I see using a controller for a FPS as taking a step backward in control schemes. There may as well be a better setup than a KB/M... I don't doubt that at all. But when it comes to controllers, I just don't like them for FPS games (although I still buy the games). Not to mention I get pissed off at how poor I am with a controller when I know I'd be getting "BOOM! HEADSHOT" with a KB/M combo 🙁. It's a bit dissatisfying that the limitation of the console is inhibiting your ability.

Some "Halo Haterade" comes from the fact that Halo doesn't offer anything over current PC games, which is true. The thing is, Halo offered a lot that was missing in the console FPS genre and no matter what, I will always say that I think consoles are seen as more of a gaming center than a PC. If I talk about "firing up a game", I'll think about playing on a console... the PC just doesn't hold that mantra about it. I think that made people more apt to play a game like Halo. I know when I was in college, people would play Halo quite often but there were still the few and true nerds that played UT1999 😛.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: purbeast0
who also just cannot and will not grasp the concept that controlling an FPS with a controller is not bad at all, it's just not as precise as a mouse.

To me it is... I see using a controller for a FPS as taking a step backward in control schemes. There may as well be a better setup than a KB/M... I don't doubt that at all. But when it comes to controllers, I just don't like them for FPS games (although I still buy the games). Not to mention I get pissed off at how poor I am with a controller when I know I'd be getting "BOOM! HEADSHOT" with a KB/M combo 🙁. It's a bit dissatisfying that the limitation of the console is inhibiting your ability.

Some "Halo Haterade" comes from the fact that Halo doesn't offer anything over current PC games, which is true. The thing is, Halo offered a lot that was missing in the console FPS genre and no matter what, I will always say that I think consoles are seen as more of a gaming center than a PC. If I talk about "firing up a game", I'll think about playing on a console... the PC just doesn't hold that mantra about it. I think that made people more apt to play a game like Halo. I know when I was in college, people would play Halo quite often but there were still the few and true nerds that played UT1999 😛.

Part of the console aspect is having wireless (this generation anyway) controllers...with a KB/M you need a table to put it on. It's not as easy sitting in a soft, plush leather couch gaming with a KB/M as it is a computer chair 2 feet away from the screen 😛 Taking a step back? Not really, it's just knowing where the typical consumer will game at.

 

[yowolabi]

In a way, it's from the same causes as the endless 360 vs PS3 battles we have here. People who made the choice to have a 1500 computer and no xbox, need to make themselves feel good about their decisions. Admitting they could have just as much fun playing on a $400 console with a gamepad, would diminish their choices. So they harp on the pc graphics being better, and the mouse and keyboard being more accurate, without conceding that it doesn't matter to the people who like halo.

You'll notice that people who have and use both both of the systems in one of these arguments have a much less black or white attitude.

This phenomenon isn't limited to video games by the way. It also applies to movies, music, food, and other "taste" choices. People try to justify their choices by putting the competition down.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
It's because the majority if "hardcore" PC gamers are elitists and feel better about themselves by putting down others who only spent $400 on a console instead of the $1500 or whatever they spent on their consoles, who also just cannot and will not grasp the concept that controlling an FPS with a controller is not bad at all, it's just not as precise as a mouse.

Also most "hardcore" PC gamers are internet geeks, and as we all know, internet geeks tend to hate what the masses love just out of principle.

I've known a lot of hardcore PC gamers and never seen this kind of hate from any of them. Not liking the game is one thing, but classifying people that actually like it into some gaming noob group is kind of messed up.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Part of the console aspect is having wireless (this generation anyway) controllers...with a KB/M you need a table to put it on. It's not as easy sitting in a soft, plush leather couch gaming with a KB/M as it is a computer chair 2 feet away from the screen 😛 Taking a step back? Not really, it's just knowing where the typical consumer will game at.

I have a PC on the same TV that my 360 is on. This PC uses an old Cordless MX Duo from Logitech and works just fine for gaming. Although I'm not a huge fan of using my TV for PC gaming if I need to read text... especially in a game like WoW, it gets kind of bad, but I've also got issues with drivers at the moment (nVidia drivers not giving me the 720p option I need, but they work in games... Microsoft drivers giving me the 720p option but game support is bad).

 

[Modeps]

I've been looking at gaming from a time and money standpoint for several years now, and honestly, if you all wanna go out and get your $5k PC and upgrade every year with a new video card, and what not... go right ahead. I used to be one of you... Now, I can't STAND sitting down to play a PC game because there is always uncertainty about if it'll work properly or not. I loved Battlefield 2, except for the fact that it literally took 5 minutes to load every level.

My computer is older now, but still not terrible, I do keep it patched and the drivers up to date, but I still get random crashes. Why? I really don't care why because I'm pretty much through with PC gaming. All I know is that I've got a $400 device now that'll play all my games from the moment I pop them in and I dont have to upgrade for at least 4 years. If that means sacrificing a Mouse/Keyboard accuracy, so be it. I'll take that hit.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: purbeast0
It's because the majority if "hardcore" PC gamers are elitists and feel better about themselves by putting down others who only spent $400 on a console instead of the $1500 or whatever they spent on their consoles, who also just cannot and will not grasp the concept that controlling an FPS with a controller is not bad at all, it's just not as precise as a mouse.

Also most "hardcore" PC gamers are internet geeks, and as we all know, internet geeks tend to hate what the masses love just out of principle.

I've known a lot of hardcore PC gamers and never seen this kind of hate from any of them. Not liking the game is one thing, but classifying people that actually like it into some gaming noob group is kind of messed up.

I liked Halo 2... but I use to play PC FPS games all the time. Probably the biggest thing that annoys me about Halo fanboys is that they think it is the end all be all of FPS games, while there have been much better shooters for the PC, regardless of control scheme. Halo is good and all, but the hype is just ridiculous.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Part of the console aspect is having wireless (this generation anyway) controllers...with a KB/M you need a table to put it on. It's not as easy sitting in a soft, plush leather couch gaming with a KB/M as it is a computer chair 2 feet away from the screen 😛 Taking a step back? Not really, it's just knowing where the typical consumer will game at.

This is what happened to me. Until last month I was a hardcore pc gamer. I finally decided that I'd like to gangsta lean back in my couch and be all relaxed while I play in front of the tv instead of back in a corner on my computer. My wife appreciates it too.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: purbeast0
It's because the majority if "hardcore" PC gamers are elitists and feel better about themselves by putting down others who only spent $400 on a console instead of the $1500 or whatever they spent on their consoles, who also just cannot and will not grasp the concept that controlling an FPS with a controller is not bad at all, it's just not as precise as a mouse.

Also most "hardcore" PC gamers are internet geeks, and as we all know, internet geeks tend to hate what the masses love just out of principle.

I've known a lot of hardcore PC gamers and never seen this kind of hate from any of them. Not liking the game is one thing, but classifying people that actually like it into some gaming noob group is kind of messed up.

I liked Halo 2... but I use to play PC FPS games all the time. Probably the biggest thing that annoys me about Halo fanboys is that they think it is the end all be all of FPS games, while there have been much better shooters for the PC, regardless of control scheme. Halo is good and all, but the hype is just ridiculous.

I agree the hype around halo 3 is pretty ridiculous.

I also think that PC gamers feel somewhat left out from all this hype because there has never been a PC game to get this much hype, and they are trying to bash it because they can't be part of it, whether they would like to or not.

I also agree with what yowolabi said above, it's pretty much spot on.

And NaOH, I wasn't saying EVERY PC gamer, I'm just talking about the vocal majority of PC gamers tend to be this way.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
To me it is... I see using a controller for a FPS as taking a step backward in control schemes. There may as well be a better setup than a KB/M... I don't doubt that at all. But when it comes to controllers, I just don't like them for FPS games (although I still buy the games). Not to mention I get pissed off at how poor I am with a controller when I know I'd be getting "BOOM! HEADSHOT" with a KB/M combo 🙁. It's a bit dissatisfying that the limitation of the console is inhibiting your ability.

Some "Halo Haterade" comes from the fact that Halo doesn't offer anything over current PC games, which is true. The thing is, Halo offered a lot that was missing in the console FPS genre and no matter what, I will always say that I think consoles are seen as more of a gaming center than a PC.

Yeah, I agree, I am way better at the KB/M combo than I am at the controller. But of course, it starts to get fun once you get used to it. I mean, what can be more satisfying than to start owning at something you used to be bad at?

I don't know what it is about the game. It's kind of like how I got hooked on CS. It wasn't really anything special. Two sides fight it out, last side to survive wins. Throw in some bomb planting and hostages and you have CS. It's not really anything special, but it survived and is still largely popular now.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

The hype is that it is the BEST fps on any console. I haven't seen any Halo fanboys claiming that Halo is better than every pc fps.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
I agree the hype around halo 3 is pretty ridiculous.

I also think that PC gamers feel somewhat left out from all this hype because there has never been a PC game to get this much hype, and they are trying to bash it because they can't be part of it, whether they would like to or not.

I also agree with what yowolabi said above, it's pretty much spot on.

And NaOH, I wasn't saying EVERY PC gamer, I'm just talking about the vocal majority of PC gamers tend to be this way.

Yeah, too bad I was too lazy to follow any of the hype haha. I knew it was there, but pretty much didn't think about it until the day before it came out.

I knew you weren't talking about every gamer, what i was trying to say was that I never met anyone that was really into PC gaming that didn't like Halo or had this view about the people who play it.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: purbeast0
I agree the hype around halo 3 is pretty ridiculous.

I also think that PC gamers feel somewhat left out from all this hype because there has never been a PC game to get this much hype, and they are trying to bash it because they can't be part of it, whether they would like to or not.

I also agree with what yowolabi said above, it's pretty much spot on.

And NaOH, I wasn't saying EVERY PC gamer, I'm just talking about the vocal majority of PC gamers tend to be this way.

Yeah, too bad I was too lazy to follow any of the hype haha. I knew it was there, but pretty much didn't think about it until the day before it came out.

I knew you weren't talking about every gamer, what i was trying to say was that I never met anyone that was really into PC gaming that didn't like Halo or had this view about the people who play it.

😕

go search on any Halo thread in ATOT before the console gaming section was put to it's own forum. you wlil see plenty of it 🙂

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: NaOH
Yeah, I agree, I am way better at the KB/M combo than I am at the controller. But of course, it starts to get fun once you get used to it. I mean, what can be more satisfying than to start owning at something you used to be bad at?

I guess I see this more as a lack of reason for me to be stuck with a controller. I mean, I understand your point for certain things like using a guitar for Guitar Hero or the dance pad for DDR. You end up getting better and better with these, but having to regress and use a controller just doesn't feel the same as my prior examples. You can talk about overcoming a challenge, but I look at it as, "why is the challenge there in the first place?"

Originally posted by: NaOH
I don't know what it is about the game. It's kind of like how I got hooked on CS. It wasn't really anything special. Two sides fight it out, last side to survive wins. Throw in some bomb planting and hostages and you have CS. It's not really anything special, but it survived and is still largely popular now.

I think CS prevailed well because people wanted a hint of realism with their FPS, but not full-force like the Rainbow games ( which I still prefer over CS ) provided.

 

[jdoggg12]

It's cultural backlash.... ANYTHING with immense popularity is subject to intense criticism. Its funny too, if it has mass appeal, no matter what, people will flame the fans. They'll label them as sheep and tell them how terrible it is.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: purbeast0
who also just cannot and will not grasp the concept that controlling an FPS with a controller is not bad at all, it's just not as precise as a mouse.

To me it is... I see using a controller for a FPS as taking a step backward in control schemes. There may as well be a better setup than a KB/M... I don't doubt that at all. But when it comes to controllers, I just don't like them for FPS games (although I still buy the games). Not to mention I get pissed off at how poor I am with a controller when I know I'd be getting "BOOM! HEADSHOT" with a KB/M combo 🙁. It's a bit dissatisfying that the limitation of the console is inhibiting your ability.

This is the main reason PC users get pissed. PC FPS gamers have egos so when they try to play something that uses a different control interface than what they are used to they get all pissy because they start off getting owned by people who they could beat on the PC.

The truth is that the controller limits no ability. It is all preference and experience. The best FPS players are good because they understand strategy. Anyone can get used to using a controller in matter of weeks or maybe a couple months if you really never play console games. It can take years to get to the strategic level of the avid old school FPS players simply because of their raw experience playing FPS games for so many years cannot be replaced by anything.

I know FPS players who are much better with controllers than the KB/Mouse.

 

[jdoggg12]

^ I get what you're saying, but really... a mouse is superior for FPS games. Your average KBM player will be better than your average controller player and the best KBM players will be better than the best controller players.

Its the precision of the movement, thats why its better. I prefer Halo on the xbox, I only wish i could use a KBM with it.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Modeps
I've been looking at gaming from a time and money standpoint for several years now, and honestly, if you all wanna go out and get your $5k PC and upgrade every year with a new video card, and what not... go right ahead. I used to be one of you... Now, I can't STAND sitting down to play a PC game because there is always uncertainty about if it'll work properly or not. I loved Battlefield 2, except for the fact that it literally took 5 minutes to load every level.

My computer is older now, but still not terrible, I do keep it patched and the drivers up to date, but I still get random crashes. Why? I really don't care why because I'm pretty much through with PC gaming. All I know is that I've got a $400 device now that'll play all my games from the moment I pop them in and I dont have to upgrade for at least 4 years. If that means sacrificing a Mouse/Keyboard accuracy, so be it. I'll take that hit.

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. When I first upgraded my PC for gaming it was pretty much top-of-the-line across the board (see 'desktop' in my sig). I played a little Oblivion and got bored. I tried a few other games and got bored with them as well. One day I was over at a friends house and we played some games on their XBox360 and it was a blast. We had 3 people playing together all wireless in the living area on a 60" TV. I still don't game much - maybe once a week - but when I do I play my 360. Also, the add-on HD-DVD looks beautiful. 🙂

 

[Beev]

I've said this in a few other topics now, but it bears repeating. I like Halo, I don't "love" it, but I played a ton of Halo 1 and 2. I'd play a ton of 3 if I still had my 360, but I don't anymore and I'm willing to wait until I get one again. I have a Wii and PS3 now and the Wii should be proof enough that "learning console controls" isn't an issue with me, as nearly every Wii game has some wonky use for the Wiimote.

I have not bashed Halo 3 yet to my knowledge, but I will defend vehemently that it would have been infinitely better on the PC. That doesn't mean it "sucks" because it's on a console, just that it could have been more. This isn't always the case, as a ton of games always control better on a console, like any platformer or third person game. GTA3, for example, had terrible PC controls, as did Prince of Persia Sands of Time. Every platform has it's niche. PC's get RTS and FPS and consoles get pretty much everything else. It's unfortunate that PC games sell so poorly in comparison to consoles, because if PC software sales were about equal to a specific consoles, nearly all FPS's would be on the PC. The Halo series is a good example of this. It was going to be a PC game, then Microsoft bought Bungie and changed it to their new console, the Xbox, based purely on the fact that a console would return more software sales. It was a shame.

Console gaming as a whole is far "easier" to get into, because all you need is a TV and the console. PC's take more effort (for lack of a better term) to get into and thus a lot of people just don't even want to deal with it. They just go out and buy a console. Not to mention it's cheaper. If PC gaming were streamlined and super easy to do then it would definitely be more popular, at least for FPS's (RTS's it's already the king). Conversely, if consoles had random addons that were required, and they were more expensive (say, twice as much) they wouldn't be nearly as popular, even if they had better graphics. To be honest, I'm not really sure why any companies even make PC games anymore...

The only people who are elitest about it are the ones who either can't afford a console, or they are blatant anti-_____. Generally, people like me, who would much prefer an FPS be on the PC, are simply miffed that console gamers are getting the games that they don't "deserve" (again, lack of a better term). Halo was supposed to be on the PC, and would have been graphically better as well as controlled better due to the precision the mouse/keyboard provides. The Halo series has always felt sluggish to me, even after playing them for years, and if it were on the PC it wouldn't have this "feature." Luckily, a lot of consoles now support a keyboard and mouse, thus eliminating the control difference (the sluggishness in Halo would still exist, unfortunately). Eventually, you will probably have a choice, much like the Games for Windows give you, where every game with that tag MUST support the 360 controller. All they need to do is make everything universal (except exclusive software) and the gamer world will be a much happier place.

 

[PricklyPete]

Because this board is littered with nerdy elitist who wouldn't be caught dead agreeing with the majority on any subjective issues. Just like those elitist music fans who immediately stop liking a band when they become popular because they "sold out". It's utterly ridiculous and annoying...but they won't go away.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
^ I get what you're saying, but really... a mouse is superior for FPS games. Your average KBM player will be better than your average controller player and the best KBM players will be better than the best controller players.

Its the precision of the movement, thats why its better. I prefer Halo on the xbox, I only wish i could use a KBM with it.

I think that's kind of irrelevant until people are able to play with KBM on the xbox also.....