Originally posted by: Isla
Hi Moonbeam.
<making love and not war, finally
Welcome to the 60s. Make lub not war. Flower Power!
Well I'd have to agree getting head sure beats being beheaded. Unfortunately for some they have no choice.
Welcome to the 60s. Make lub not war. Flower Power!
Well I'd have to agree getting head sure beats being beheaded. Unfortunately for some they have no choice.
Nice post....Glad to see you were able to incorporate the term STFU three different times in that enlightened rebuttal.
True nuance has been illustrated.
Now Perknose, sometimes when people aren't persuaded in the Market Place of Ideas ya gotta bomb um back into the stone age to shake their wrong convictions. This is only fair cause our ideas are right. The means justify the ends.
That is what the Neocon is, a paranoid delusional who sees catastrophe ahead and a sleeping flock of an American Nation asleep at the switch. These Saviors of Humanity have a dream they call the New American Century and they believe the means justify the ends. It if fully fitting and proper for them to bypass the Marketplace of Ideas because they lack the real faith in American Ideals and are too cowardly to play that game. Only raw necked power is good enough for them. They have the Will to Power us poor deluded lack. They know that to lie and cheat their way into war with their ancient trauma will finally get their Daddy or Mommy off their back. They are stuck like caged apes screaming against the bars but quietly like Dick Cheney with his hypnotic voice. There is evil all around and I must have the ring the one ring that can save us all. Humanity is asleep tangled in a nightmare dream, seeking the way out of prison. And everywhere we look the door hides behind us. The door out is in. The ring can only be undone where it was created. Poor poor amnesiac sheep wandering the desert looking for a blade of grass and the sacred spring.
But we would rather kill than remember.
That is what the Neocon is, a paranoid delusional who sees catastrophe ahead and a sleeping flock of an American Nation asleep at the switch. These Saviors of Humanity have a dream they call the New American Century and they believe the means justify the ends. It if fully fitting and proper for them to bypass the Marketplace of Ideas because they lack the real faith in American Ideals and are too cowardly to play that game. Only raw necked power is good enough for them. They have the Will to Power us poor deluded lack. They know that to lie and cheat their way into war with their ancient trauma will finally get their Daddy or Mommy off their back. They are stuck like caged apes screaming against the bars but quietly like Dick Cheney with his hypnotic voice. There is evil all around and I must have the ring the one ring that can save us all. Humanity is asleep tangled in a nightmare dream, seeking the way out of prison. And everywhere we look the door hides behind us. The door out is in. The ring can only be undone where it was created. Poor poor amnesiac sheep wandering the desert looking for a blade of grass and the sacred spring.
But we would rather kill than remember.
Or maybe somebody brought a straw to the well.Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
More likely it's the fact that the election is nearing.Originally posted by: bthorny
Originally posted by: element
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Posts like these convince me the right are not the ones who are the "backward idiots."Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But in addition to all this slime around the world hating us the same sh!t happens at home. Almost half the country hates America. Everything that makes us great, everything we spread around the world is hated tight here at home in all the Red states. The whole conservative Republican movement is one giant attack on our values. They hate all he same things we export, our advanced cultural ways, formulated and propagated in the Blue states and Hollywood. How did we get so many traitors. How can these backward idiots be so much like the rest of the world.
Yeah is it me or has MoonBeam been slipping lately? He used to have entertaining, witty, insightful posts, now his posts are severely lacking in these respects.
maybe its just a reflection of the quality of the forums lately
Riprorin:
"It's funny that so many people want to come to a country that's so hated. Go figure."
Right they want to be in the movies and have a swimming pool in Hollywood not slop hogs in Kansas.
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Deal Monkey: "The rest of the world is enamored with our culture, rather it's our government they're not so keen on. Bush is talking out his ass when he claims "they hate us for our freedom." That's not it at all (to anyone with two brain cells to fire off simultaneously). It's our government and its constant meddling in the affairs of other countries, historical tendency for propping up nasty dictators and incredibly biased stance on the ME-Israel conflict."
They want what's called the American Dream and for us to play fair in the market place of ideas.
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cwjerome: "Moonbeam, I believe our values and principles can and DO win in the marketplace of ideas. I believe most of our current actions in foreign policy are a defensive reaction to a group that doesn't BELIEVE in the marketplace of ideas."
I believe they could and will if we played that game. Bombs against a nation that wasn't an imminent threat don't count. It slimed everything we stood for.
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Love ya Isla
"It's funny that so many people want to come to a country that's so hated. Go figure."
Right they want to be in the movies and have a swimming pool in Hollywood not slop hogs in Kansas.
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Deal Monkey: "The rest of the world is enamored with our culture, rather it's our government they're not so keen on. Bush is talking out his ass when he claims "they hate us for our freedom." That's not it at all (to anyone with two brain cells to fire off simultaneously). It's our government and its constant meddling in the affairs of other countries, historical tendency for propping up nasty dictators and incredibly biased stance on the ME-Israel conflict."
They want what's called the American Dream and for us to play fair in the market place of ideas.
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cwjerome: "Moonbeam, I believe our values and principles can and DO win in the marketplace of ideas. I believe most of our current actions in foreign policy are a defensive reaction to a group that doesn't BELIEVE in the marketplace of ideas."
I believe they could and will if we played that game. Bombs against a nation that wasn't an imminent threat don't count. It slimed everything we stood for.
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Love ya Isla
Dumb statement. They have hated us for years. The weak always hate strength because they fear it. They fear it because they see how it has been used throughout history and imagine how they would use it. Politicians are people who love power; the ultimate power is over life and death. People who lust for power have to get it from the people they have power over. It can't be taken, but has to be yielded. Most people would be quick to point out that they hate our government, not us. Tne current hate by muslims has been going on toward people for hundreds of years. That hate is taught to them by people who lust after power and who know they can't have it as long as we stand. They really hate us because they see us as either christian or jewish - not understanding that we are all or neither. Most of the peoples who are now terrorist were with Germany in WWII. European historians say that the hatred of the west by the middle east goes back to the failure to take Vienna.
The French just hate everyone else!
Most of them love us more when we are weak and they don't fear us.
Another issue that is a streatch is that the middle east must know that oil will only be king for another 30 to 50 years. They have nothing else to offer. They know that they won't be able to afford Mercedes and Toyotas then, can't build them and won't be able to feed themselves. One of the important things they don't seem to grasp is contraception. If they don't have oil, how will they feed the population?
TastesLikeChicken
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Not as much as now. That's the main point.
Complete and utter BS. You've never been there have you? Or even outside of the country? The French dislike the Americans as much as most Europeans (discounting Brits). They listen to our music too and hate our policies too. As for other places the French are far less hateful than the average American.
Such a judge of values.
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Complete and utter BS. You've never been there have you? Or even outside of the country? The French dislike the Americans as much as most Europeans (discounting Brits). They listen to our music too and hate our policies too. As for other places the French are far less hateful than the average American.
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Been there and lots of other places. French are french whether in Paris, Baton Rouge, Martinique or Hull. They can't figure out why the whole world isn't French. Do you know where those places are?
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Complete and utter BS. You've never been there have you? Or even outside of the country? The French dislike the Americans as much as most Europeans (discounting Brits). They listen to our music too and hate our policies too. As for other places the French are far less hateful than the average American.
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Been there and lots of other places. French are french whether in Paris, Baton Rouge, Martinique or Hull. They can't figure out why the whole world isn't French. Do you know where those places are?
I know where all those places are and I know what you're saying is prejudiced garbage. Nice try though... Someone could say the same thing about Americans btw and have more likelihood of being right.
Last I checked they have and still do.....
I didn't see you, or anyone else in that matter, shedding a tear in those threads that have been created on here.
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Remember, Moonbeam? Who has the time? There's only 77 more killing days 'till Christmas, and down at the Neocon marketplace of ideas, they're having a blowout sale on slightly soiled notions, gayly re-wrapped in big empty boxes, easily discounted.
Nervous Christians buy them wholesale, though, stuffing their SUV's so full you can feel the fear from the freeway. We're so easily fleeced, and not at all sheepish about having that self same wool pullled down over our eyes.
It's times like these, terrorist killing season on into the endless, starless night, when I know that Herod had it right -- the state and all it's might, will surely make things right -- just nail their messiahs to crosses, terrorists all, and have a census, an election, a regime change, an occupation, a war. Hey, it's all these brown folk understand, while at home by the hearth we sing the time honored, smoothly self assuring words of our own political rapture, our deadly end time dance, our stupidly certain cultural superiority:
Oh! Blinding Light!
Oh, Light that blinds,
I cannot see,
Look out for me!
You misunderstand the history behind that. The King of France was one of the first people to actively build "a nation." France was a hodgepodge of dialects and peoples and little kingdoms. The King and later the Republic slowly beat down the peripheral identities and created one of the first nation-states. Napoleon was one of the first in Europe to rally a people around their identity in modern times (i.e., not using hired guns). THAT is what is meant by that. Not that they are fascists or xenophobes. France sure had periods like that and just like the other European powers they've gotten past the nasty phase and are now well beyond (meaning more calm) the US in terms of nationalist fervor.
Thanks for the recap?.
I am fully aware of the context of how they got that title. They still uphold this through their promotion of ?National Identity.? Be it their immigration policies, or their outright crusade of all vocabulary words that are not French.
Be it riots against American ?Holloween,? or last years banning of the English terminology ?e-mail?, ?computers? and the ?internet? from their national vocabulary.
Though, I do find it telling that you find this to be less ?nationalistic? than sporting a flag during the fourth of July.
lets make a list here
1) we don't leave other countries alone that don't pose a threat to us
2) we invaded iraq which contains some of the holiest shrines to shiite muslims
3)bush acts like a cowboy***** ask most europeans what they think of him
4)go it along strategy
5)evangelical christians
6)chiapas and the zapatista movement that was crush by USled mexican forces (during clinton)
7)support of regimes that are extremely brutal to their populations all for the name of oil in most cases (saudia arabia and others)
8)an administration that could careless what the rest of the world thinks
9) we play the blame game when we get caught in a lie (bush admin), or we just play the "the sky is not blue game" aka "shades of grey"
10) we just don't respect other cultures or religions because of people associated with 5
11)ISRAEL: they give us nothing in return, why are we friends with them? anyone have any figures on how much "aid" we give them? that comes out of the tax payers pockets by the way
i'm sure there are more, anyone can add
1) we don't leave other countries alone that don't pose a threat to us
2) we invaded iraq which contains some of the holiest shrines to shiite muslims
3)bush acts like a cowboy***** ask most europeans what they think of him
4)go it along strategy
5)evangelical christians
6)chiapas and the zapatista movement that was crush by USled mexican forces (during clinton)
7)support of regimes that are extremely brutal to their populations all for the name of oil in most cases (saudia arabia and others)
8)an administration that could careless what the rest of the world thinks
9) we play the blame game when we get caught in a lie (bush admin), or we just play the "the sky is not blue game" aka "shades of grey"
10) we just don't respect other cultures or religions because of people associated with 5
11)ISRAEL: they give us nothing in return, why are we friends with them? anyone have any figures on how much "aid" we give them? that comes out of the tax payers pockets by the way
i'm sure there are more, anyone can add
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Too many people moonie. Like rats in a cage fighting for limited resources they have no emotion but get. Ours is worse because in addition to what we need monitarly to survive, which is quite minimal, we have added social pressure to get things we don't need visa vi materialism/capaitlaism/commercialism. Bascially we are worse off than the rats cause we feel somethings fusked but the majority don't know how to fix it.
Well I think it's really more a matter of equal distribution. We had to fight the cold war and in order to win we had to hog the worlds resources and build a vast consuming monster to have an industry large enough to bury the Soviets. We were about to dip into the peace dividend and share our wealth with the world when we got hit on 9/11 so now we gotta hog stuff again for the coming battle. First we gotta get the oil but after we win I'm sure we'll share out what we got.
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