What's with all the extremist hate of America?

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Infohawk, you don't understand my words, and talking to you is like talking to a brick. You do not understand that radical Islamic extremists are opposed to our values and principles, and they are lashing out violently. We are finally beginning to take this seriously and deal with it appropriately. There is nothing left to say.

You haven't explained how you could possibly think the US belives in a market of ideas. Markets are based on choice. Rant all you want about them hating our freedom. The point is your garbage about a market of ideas is ludicrous.

"You don't understand my words, and talking to you is like talking to a brick." "There is nothing left to say."

 

[Kerouactivist]

Best word ever
Bushofascists.....

 

[cwjerome]

If I truly have to explain to you the concept of "marketplace of ideas" and describe how the US upholds it... you are lost bud. It just aint worth the time.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
If I truly have to explain to you the concept of "marketplace of ideas" and describe how the US upholds it... you are lost bud. It just aint worth the time.

Nice try with your strawman. Nobody's asking you to explain the market ideas, my reading-comprehension-challenged friend.

I ask you how the US believes in a market of ideas. You can't explain it. You can use an excuse about needing to explain something nobody asked you to explained, but I think it's clear you simply don't have an argument.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
If I truly have to explain to you the concept of "marketplace of ideas" and describe how the US upholds it... you are lost bud. It just aint worth the time.

you have to be kidding me


Perhaps you should ask some Latin American natives about the U.S. govts belief in a marketplace of ideas in regards to International politics.....or anywhere else on the globe for that matter.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: cwjerome
If I truly have to explain to you the concept of "marketplace of ideas" and describe how the US upholds it... you are lost bud. It just aint worth the time.

you have to be kidding me


Perhaps you should ask some Latin American natives about the U.S. govts belief in a marketplace of ideas in regards to International politics.....or anywhere else on the globe for that matter.

I think cwjerome needs "marketplace of ideas" explained to him but talking to him is like talking to a brick.

 

[cwjerome]

The marketplace of ideas is exemplified by our Declaration, our Constitution, our society in action, and the efforts we have taken since our beginning to protect and promote those things.

You don't even understand that half of what you say viruently defames and degrades what this country stands for. We peacefully export our culture in a million peaceful ways every day. You simply have no shame, and lack the intelligence to even be embarassed.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
The marketplace of ideas is exemplified by our Declaration, our Constitution, our society in action, and the efforts we have taken since our beginning to protect and promote those things.

You don't even understand that half of what you say viruently defames and degrades what this country stands for. We peacefully export our culture in a million peaceful ways every day. You simply have no shame, and lack the intelligence to even be embarassed.

So if the United States were to overthrow a democratically elected leader of another country....what would you say then?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
The marketplace of ideas is exemplified by our Declaration, our Constitution, our society in action, and the efforts we have taken since our beginning to protect and promote those things.

How exactly is the US bringing their values at the barrel of the gun consistent with the marketplace of ideas? It isn't. Explain it, IF you can.

You simply have no shame, and lack the intelligence to even be embarassed.

:roll: At least I don't dodge questions with garbage rhetorics and personal flames.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: cwjerome
The marketplace of ideas is exemplified by our Declaration, our Constitution, our society in action, and the efforts we have taken since our beginning to protect and promote those things.

How exactly is the US bringing their values at the barrel of the gun consistent with the marketplace of ideas? It isn't. Explain it, IF you can.

Can you explain where you ever got the silly notion that the marketplace of ideas was a free and open one?

You simply have no shame, and lack the intelligence to even be embarassed.

:roll: At least I don't dodge questions with garbage rhetorics and personal flames.[/quote]
*guffaw*

 

[cwjerome]

It's because we're on different intellectual and moral levels infohawk. Communication doesn't work well, and even then it's usually noneffective. Arguing with a propagandized partisan is not my idea of a good use of time. You can't get it, you won't get it, you're completely helpless without your masters telling you what to think, and you'll never understand that:

There is a movement in this world that is against us and against our values and principles

They are losing in the worldwide marketplace of ideas, and therefore have been lashing out violently mainly in the form of terrorism

Our response is to destroy them as best we can, and try and set up civil, decent governments so that the free marketplace of ideas can exist in those countries.

 

[daveshel]

The free marketplace of ideas in the US right now is about as free as access to a Bush rally. Besides, you need an attention span longer than a 20-second sound byte to be able to effectively transfer an idea.

 

[Klixxer]

Everyone thinks it is the killings, the replacement of regimes for worse regimes, the support of opressive regimes as long as they are US puppets and such, but we all know better, it is the FREEDOM they hate.

:roll:

 

[LunarRay]

MB,

My experience tells me that those who predict a catastrophic future are almost always projecting it out of a catastrophic past. As a liberal you are doubtless open to psychotherapy. I would recommend it in your case. We always become what we fear and we have become a monster. The hind end of the American dog is trying to eat the whole dog using its ass for a mouth. Oh oh oh we must be afraid. We have to use violence because we can't trust in our ideals. Truth can never fight and win a battle, only a mighty military can. That's what the Romans thought.

When someone yells "Eruption!" I think just about every english speaking person grasps the meaning and looks about for the visuals... WE always rely on our past to predict the future outcome of an event or series of events containing the same or very similar components.
The Islamic world's thinking shouldn't be any great secret to us 'Westerners'. We should have a pretty good handle on what will follow what. The current components are the same as the history of the area and it seems to me we ought to have a leadership that would seek a different tact to effect a change. A strategy that recognizes the realities of the human factor and not solely the objective would be in order, I think.

I don't much care if others like or dislike me... but if the latter I'd prefer they dislike from afar.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: cwjerome
The marketplace of ideas is exemplified by our Declaration, our Constitution, our society in action, and the efforts we have taken since our beginning to protect and promote those things.

You don't even understand that half of what you say viruently defames and degrades what this country stands for. We peacefully export our culture in a million peaceful ways every day. You simply have no shame, and lack the intelligence to even be embarassed.

So if the United States were to overthrow a democratically elected leader of another country....what would you say then?

Answer the question Claire........

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: cwjerome
I'm sure we can disagree on a ton of issues tasteslikechicken, but I respect that fact you're an independent thinker.

I refuse to follow the herd, left or right, when I believe them to be wrong. Many in the left would claim that the right don't have a clue about the world around them. In some respects I agree with this sentiment. Many of the right don't seem as worldlywise. However, the left is now making the very same mistake.

They have decided that the right, specifically the neocons, is the real enemy because the neocons have made a choice, a difficult choice at that, to meet this cultural clash head on. The left would deny this clash of cultures. They would claim that it's really the fault of the US, specifically the neocons, for its behaviour on the world stage. That claim is way off the mark. A simple and cursory glance around the world illuminates the fact that the Islamofascists are not reacting to only the US and neocon behaviour, they are fighting with everyone and anyone who is not Muslim in many palces. Russia, Indonesia, Pakistan/India, and Sudan are current glaring cases where the US is not involved, but the Islamofascists are. Why aren't the wordly-wise left recognizing this fact? Where is their superior intellect in this case? What kind of principles would make them withdraw and pretend this is not happening?

The left is ignoring what's going on in our world to focus on self-centered partisan hate within our own borders. They need to wake the f*&k up, drop the partisan rhetoric and hyperbole, and see that maybe the right and the neocons are actually on to something here instead of immediately pronouncing it nonsense.

fresh perspectives are a rarity on this board, thank you. I usually come her with a flame suit on ready for the relentless repitition from both sides, hoping for something original. Though I dont agree with you 100%, the thought provoking perspective is something I only see around here in about 2 or 3 posts a week, if that.

 

[Infohawk]

This is my question:

How exactly is the US bringing their values at the barrel of the gun consistent with the marketplace of ideas?

This was your "answer":

Originally posted by: cwjerome
It's because we're on different intellectual and moral levels infohawk. Communication doesn't work well, and even then it's usually noneffective. Arguing with a propagandized partisan is not my idea of a good use of time. You can't get it, you won't get it, you're completely helpless without your masters telling you what to think, and you'll never understand that:

There is a movement in this world that is against us and against our values and principles

They are losing in the worldwide marketplace of ideas, and therefore have been lashing out violently mainly in the form of terrorism

Our response is to destroy them as best we can, and try and set up civil, decent governments so that the free marketplace of ideas can exist in those countries.

What exactly does that have to do with a free marketplace of ideas? You are arguing that we need to bypass the free market of ideas, are you not? We need to bypass them with violence because they are violent, right? Again, this might be true, but your claim about the free marketplace of ideas are bogus. The US does not care about the free marketplace of ideas, as demonstrated by its violent actions to set up puppet governments in the past (I will let bthorny school you on that) and present. You have failed to answer the question, and have offered in its substitute pathetic personal attacks to cover up your glaring lack of consistency.

 

[daveshel]

We need to reinstate the fairness doctrine, which the repubs did away with while nobody was looking. It only applied to broadcast TV, but at least that was one medium that had some constraints.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: cwjerome
I'm sure we can disagree on a ton of issues tasteslikechicken, but I respect that fact you're an independent thinker.

I refuse to follow the herd, left or right, when I believe them to be wrong. Many in the left would claim that the right don't have a clue about the world around them. In some respects I agree with this sentiment. Many of the right don't seem as worldlywise. However, the left is now making the very same mistake.

They have decided that the right, specifically the neocons, is the real enemy because the neocons have made a choice, a difficult choice at that, to meet this cultural clash head on. The left would deny this clash of cultures. They would claim that it's really the fault of the US, specifically the neocons, for its behaviour on the world stage. That claim is way off the mark. A simple and cursory glance around the world illuminates the fact that the Islamofascists are not reacting to only the US and neocon behaviour, they are fighting with everyone and anyone who is not Muslim in many palces. Russia, Indonesia, Pakistan/India, and Sudan are current glaring cases where the US is not involved, but the Islamofascists are. Why aren't the wordly-wise left recognizing this fact? Where is their superior intellect in this case? What kind of principles would make them withdraw and pretend this is not happening?

The left is ignoring what's going on in our world to focus on self-centered partisan hate within our own borders. They need to wake the f*&k up, drop the partisan rhetoric and hyperbole, and see that maybe the right and the neocons are actually on to something here instead of immediately pronouncing it nonsense.

fresh perspectives are a rarity on this board, thank you. I usually come her with a flame suit on ready for the relentless repitition from both sides, hoping for something original. Though I dont agree with you 100%, the thought provoking perspective is something I only see around here in about 2 or 3 posts a week, if that.

Thank you.

I don't know if it's a fresh perspective, though it may be so here. Others believe the same so I can't claim it as original, but I did come to this conclusion on my own before I heard from others that felt the same way. It's a difficult position to take as well because, in this day and age of supposed enlightenment, the leftist in me wants to believe in the basic good intentions of everyone and wants to believe that nobody really wants to kill others over a silly religious ideology.

Sadly, that appears not to be the case.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
...They hate all he same things we export, our advanced cultural ways, formulated and propagated in the Blue states and Hollywood. How did we get so many traitors. ...

You forgot Poland. And a question mark.
I got 1 word for you about hollywood: Gigli.

Need some holly wood?

 

[element]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But in addition to all this slime around the world hating us the same sh!t happens at home. Almost half the country hates America. Everything that makes us great, everything we spread around the world is hated tight here at home in all the Red states. The whole conservative Republican movement is one giant attack on our values. They hate all he same things we export, our advanced cultural ways, formulated and propagated in the Blue states and Hollywood. How did we get so many traitors. How can these backward idiots be so much like the rest of the world.

Posts like these convince me the right are not the ones who are the "backward idiots."

Yeah is it me or has MoonBeam been slipping lately? He used to have entertaining, witty, insightful posts, now his posts are severely lacking in these respects.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But in addition to all this slime around the world hating us the same sh!t happens at home. Almost half the country hates America. Everything that makes us great, everything we spread around the world is hated tight here at home in all the Red states. The whole conservative Republican movement is one giant attack on our values. They hate all he same things we export, our advanced cultural ways, formulated and propagated in the Blue states and Hollywood. How did we get so many traitors. How can these backward idiots be so much like the rest of the world.

Posts like these convince me the right are not the ones who are the "backward idiots."

Yeah is it me or has MoonBeam been slipping lately? He used to have entertaining, witty, insightful posts, now his posts are severely lacking in these respects.

maybe its just a reflection of the quality of the forums lately

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But in addition to all this slime around the world hating us the same sh!t happens at home. Almost half the country hates America. Everything that makes us great, everything we spread around the world is hated tight here at home in all the Red states. The whole conservative Republican movement is one giant attack on our values. They hate all he same things we export, our advanced cultural ways, formulated and propagated in the Blue states and Hollywood. How did we get so many traitors. How can these backward idiots be so much like the rest of the world.

Posts like these convince me the right are not the ones who are the "backward idiots."

Yeah is it me or has MoonBeam been slipping lately? He used to have entertaining, witty, insightful posts, now his posts are severely lacking in these respects.

maybe its just a reflection of the quality of the forums lately

More likely it's the fact that the election is nearing.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Infohawk, you don't understand my words, and talking to you is like talking to a brick. You do not understand that radical Islamic extremists are opposed to our values and principles, and they are lashing out violently. We are finally beginning to take this seriously and deal with it appropriately. There is nothing left to say.

Promised he would STFU.

Originally posted by: cwjerome
If I truly have to explain to you the concept of "marketplace of ideas" and describe how the US upholds it... you are lost bud. It just aint worth the time.

Came back anyway, but then at least implied he would STFU.

Originally posted by: cwjerome
The marketplace of ideas is exemplified by our Declaration, our Constitution, our society in action, and the efforts we have taken since our beginning to protect and promote those things.

You don't even understand that half of what you say viruently defames and degrades what this country stands for. We peacefully export our culture in a million peaceful ways every day. You simply have no shame, and lack the intelligence to even be embarassed.

Sigh. Despite his prior promises, STILL won't STFU.

Originally posted by: cwjerome
It's because we're on different intellectual and moral levels infohawk. Communication doesn't work well, and even then it's usually noneffective. Arguing with a propagandized partisan is not my idea of a good use of time. You can't get it, you won't get it, you're completely helpless without your masters telling you what to think, and you'll never understand that:

There is a movement in this world that is against us and against our values and principles

They are losing in the worldwide marketplace of ideas, and therefore have been lashing out violently mainly in the form of terrorism

Our response is to destroy them as best we can, and try and set up civil, decent governments so that the free marketplace of ideas can exist in those countries.

That poodle is STILL yapping. But his elegant use of the English language puts the average brain damaged Uruguayan street urchin to shame!




:roll:

 

[Isla]

Hi Moonbeam.

<making love and not war, finally