What's with all the extremist hate of America?

[Moonbeam]

I was reading a thread where somebody pointed out how the French hate English language and American values and the spread of American culture was under attack there and all over the world. Yup the Muslim nations hate us too. They don't like our culture our freedoms our democracy and religious tolerance our films, our ethics, nothing. But in addition to all this slime around the world hating us the same sh!t happens at home. Almost half the country hates America. Everything that makes us great, everything we spread around the world is hated tight here at home in all the Red states. The whole conservative Republican movement is one giant attack on our values. They hate all he same things we export, our advanced cultural ways, formulated and propagated in the Blue states and Hollywood. How did we get so many traitors. How can these backward idiots be so much like the rest of the world.

 

[dmcowen674]

Welcome to the Revolution.

 

[alchemize]

One for each of you. And a pre-emptive one for Infohawk

 

[conjur]

As Rep. J. D. Hayworth just said on C-SPAN:

Americide.


The hate and killing of Americans simply because they're American.


He's also said "Islamo-fascists" and "agents of evil" about 3 dozen times. Not sure if he's talking about the new GOP or Al Qaeda.

 

[Engineer]

I was just watching a replay of the debate (CNN) and Bush said that "People Love America" when answering a question of rebuilding our alliances, etc. The Shrub says that they love us...so you can't be right on your haterid statements! :roll:

 

[judasmachine]

I guess I've done my bit of so-called america hating, but the fact remains I love this place, and I love it so much I want it to be better. I think this 'grand experiment' is far from over and we need to try to continue being progressive where it pertains to human rights, and quality of life. We have so much potential to do so much good not only for us but for others without shooting first and asking questions later. We could be a leader into a great future, instead of a bully forcing others to play our kind of ball.


The best leaders lead from the front, instead of from behind with a gun in your back.

 

[daveshel]

It's not like we're setting some shining example for the rest of the world. You've heard all the statistics about our wealth and our consumption relative to the rest of the world. We are decadent gluttons.

 

[LunarRay]

It's all about economics... hehehehe

The current Administration don't much care who lives or dies in the countries under 'attack' so long as the survivors comply with the Agenda. The folks in these sovereign nations operate under the misguided notion that they can choose for themselves what and how within their own borders. Our allies are the Administrations of these allied nations and not the populations of them. If our Administration changes so will theirs. They will change either by being voted out or by supporting our new Administration's Agenda.

What must the Mid East population think when they read that there were no WMD in Iraq when we invaded and We knew it. That We the law and order people violated our own and international law to effect our Agenda... How can we make friendships based on lies?

How can Americans support an Administration that has created this attitude toward us? And, how can our friends support this insanity? I guess they (the governments) realize the economic importance that America still holds....

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But in addition to all this slime around the world hating us the same sh!t happens at home. Almost half the country hates America. Everything that makes us great, everything we spread around the world is hated tight here at home in all the Red states. The whole conservative Republican movement is one giant attack on our values. They hate all he same things we export, our advanced cultural ways, formulated and propagated in the Blue states and Hollywood. How did we get so many traitors. How can these backward idiots be so much like the rest of the world.

Posts like these convince me the right are not the ones who are the "backward idiots."

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But in addition to all this slime around the world hating us the same sh!t happens at home. Almost half the country hates America. Everything that makes us great, everything we spread around the world is hated tight here at home in all the Red states. The whole conservative Republican movement is one giant attack on our values. They hate all he same things we export, our advanced cultural ways, formulated and propagated in the Blue states and Hollywood. How did we get so many traitors. How can these backward idiots be so much like the rest of the world.

Posts like these convince me the right are not the ones who are the "backward idiots."

Which, by definition means that the 'Right' are forward thinking intellectuals. That the fiscal and foreign policies propounded and effected are not only correct but also beneficial to all involved. If the premise of Moonbeam's post is remotely accurate it would support the opposite view, it seems to me.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But in addition to all this slime around the world hating us the same sh!t happens at home. Almost half the country hates America. Everything that makes us great, everything we spread around the world is hated tight here at home in all the Red states. The whole conservative Republican movement is one giant attack on our values. They hate all he same things we export, our advanced cultural ways, formulated and propagated in the Blue states and Hollywood. How did we get so many traitors. How can these backward idiots be so much like the rest of the world.

Posts like these convince me the right are not the ones who are the "backward idiots."

Which, by definition means that the 'Right' are forward thinking intellectuals. That the fiscal and foreign policies propounded and effected are not only correct but also beneficial to all involved. If the premise of Moonbeam's post is remotely accurate it would support the opposite view, it seems to me.

Actually, it does not. I wasn't referrring to the "backward idiots" referred to in the post, but the backward idiots" that would forwards such a sentiment.

It's not the conservatives who are driving this country apart, and that post is a shining example of that fact.

Strangely and ironically enough, it seems it's the left who most blatantly feel you are either "with us or against us."

 

[LunarRay]

TLC,

Strangely and ironically enough, it seems it's the left who most blatantly feel you are either "with us or against us

The 'Left' ain't in power... in any of the branches of our government so it would seem to me that the conditions as seen by the minority side might justify a 'with us or with them' attitude as would equally be true from the folks on the 'Right' who see current conditions as being so much collateral damage in pursuit of their Agenda...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
TLC,

Strangely and ironically enough, it seems it's the left who most blatantly feel you are either "with us or against us

The 'Left' ain't in power... in any of the branches of our government so it would seem to me that the conditions as seen by the minority side might justify a 'with us or with them' attitude as would equally be true from the folks on the 'Right' who see current conditions as being so much collateral damage in pursuit of their Agenda...

And that pretty much sums up what I was saying.

The left can't even recognize that what the right is doing is their agenda too, or should be. They are simply too blinded by partisan hate to realize that. Understand also that I am a lefty. I am not saying this as somone from the right. I am saying this as a lefty that believes other lefties need to wake up and face reality. The left needs to wake up and recognize what is staring all of us, not just the right, directly in the face. This is the beginning of a cultural clash and a storm is coming. Acting meekly now will only serve to exascerbate the problem. Doing what the Islamofascists want, or pulling back so we can buff our reputation on the world stage, will only delay having to deal with it. Either we can take care of the problem now or we leave it to our children,or our children's children, but this clash of cultures is real and ignoring it or pretending it doesn't really exist will not make it conveniently disappear.

 

[Riprorin]

It's funny that so many people want to come to a country that's so hated. Go figure.

 

[chess9]

Moonbeam:

Where do we stand in line to get the big mirrors?

-Robert

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: chess9
Moonbeam:

Where do we stand in line to get the big mirrors?

-Robert

You'll have to wait for all the Hollywood liberals preening in front of them to give them up first. Fat chance of that.

 

[oldman420]

thank our President

 

[cwjerome]

I'm sure we can disagree on a ton of issues tasteslikechicken, but I respect that fact you're an independent thinker.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's funny that so many people want to come to a country that's so hated. Go figure.

Hehehehehe...

Maybe they agree with the factors that create the hate. Or maybe it is the freedoms or maybe it is they all wanna say... "I'm from Brooklyn"... I like to say that and I now live in California.. hehehehe

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: LunarRay
TLC,

Strangely and ironically enough, it seems it's the left who most blatantly feel you are either "with us or against us

The 'Left' ain't in power... in any of the branches of our government so it would seem to me that the conditions as seen by the minority side might justify a 'with us or with them' attitude as would equally be true from the folks on the 'Right' who see current conditions as being so much collateral damage in pursuit of their Agenda...

And that pretty much sums up what I was saying.

The left can't even recognize that what the right is doing is their agenda too, or should be. They are simply too blinded by partisan hate to realize that. Understand also that I am a lefty. I am not saying this as somone from the right. I am saying this as a lefty that believes other lefties need to wake up and face reality. The left needs to wake up and recognize what is staring all of us, not just the right, directly in the face. This is the beginning of a cultural clash and a storm is coming. Acting meekly now will only serve to exascerbate the problem. Doing what the Islamofascists want, or pulling back so we can buff our reputation on the world stage, will only delay having to deal with it. Either we can take care of the problem now or we leave it to our children,or our children's children, but this clash of cultures is real and ignoring it or pretending it doesn't really exist will not make it conveniently disappear.

My experience tells me that those who predict a catastrophic future are almost always projecting it out of a catastrophic past. As a liberal you are doubtless open to psychotherapy. I would recommend it in your case. We always become what we fear and we have become a monster. The hind end of the American dog is trying to eat the whole dog using its ass for a mouth. Oh oh oh we must be afraid. We have to use violence because we can't trust in our ideals. Truth can never fight and win a battle, only a mighty military can. That's what the Romans thought.

 

[cwjerome]

Moonbeam, I believe our values and principles can and DO win in the marketplace of ideas. I believe most of our current actions in foreign policy are a defensive reaction to a group that doesn't BELIEVE in the marketplace of ideas.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
I'm sure we can disagree on a ton of issues tasteslikechicken, but I respect that fact you're an independent thinker.

I refuse to follow the herd, left or right, when I believe them to be wrong. Many in the left would claim that the right don't have a clue about the world around them. In some respects I agree with this sentiment. Many of the right don't seem as worldlywise. However, the left is now making the very same mistake.

They have decided that the right, specifically the neocons, is the real enemy because the neocons have made a choice, a difficult choice at that, to meet this cultural clash head on. The left would deny this clash of cultures. They would claim that it's really the fault of the US, specifically the neocons, for its behaviour on the world stage. That claim is way off the mark. A simple and cursory glance around the world illuminates the fact that the Islamofascists are not reacting to only the US and neocon behaviour, they are fighting with everyone and anyone who is not Muslim in many palces. Russia, Indonesia, Pakistan/India, and Sudan are current glaring cases where the US is not involved, but the Islamofascists are. Why aren't the wordly-wise left recognizing this fact? Where is their superior intellect in this case? What kind of principles would make them withdraw and pretend this is not happening?

The left is ignoring what's going on in our world to focus on self-centered partisan hate within our own borders. They need to wake the f*&k up, drop the partisan rhetoric and hyperbole, and see that maybe the right and the neocons are actually on to something here instead of immediately pronouncing it nonsense.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Moonbeam, I believe our values and principles can and DO win in the marketplace of ideas. I believe most of our current actions in foreign policy are a defensive reaction to a group that doesn't BELIEVE in the marketplace of ideas.

Apparently you believe in a market where vendors use weapons and torture to push their "goods."

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I was reading a thread where somebody pointed out how the French hate English language and American values and the spread of American culture was under attack there and all over the world. Yup the Muslim nations hate us too. They don't like our culture our freedoms our democracy and religious tolerance our films, our ethics, nothing. But in addition to all this slime around the world hating us the same sh!t happens at home. Almost half the country hates America. Everything that makes us great, everything we spread around the world is hated tight here at home in all the Red states. The whole conservative Republican movement is one giant attack on our values. They hate all he same things we export, our advanced cultural ways, formulated and propagated in the Blue states and Hollywood. How did we get so many traitors. How can these backward idiots be so much like the rest of the world.

I think you got it slightly wrong MB.

The rest of the world is enamored with our culture, rather it's our government they're not so keen on. Bush is talking out his ass when he claims "they hate us for our freedom." That's not it at all (to anyone with two brain cells to fire off simultaneously). It's our government and its constant meddling in the affairs of other countries, historical tendency for propping up nasty dictators and incredibly biased stance on the ME-Israel conflict.

 

[cwjerome]

Infohawk, you don't understand my words, and talking to you is like talking to a brick. You do not understand that radical Islamic extremists are opposed to our values and principles, and they are lashing out violently. We are finally beginning to take this seriously and deal with it appropriately. There is nothing left to say.