Here's all the self defense you will ever need
Instructed by Bas Rutten, UFC
lol, enjoy
possibly NSFW, although I doubt it
Instructed by Bas Rutten, UFC
lol, enjoy
possibly NSFW, although I doubt it
Personally I think you need a combination of striking and grappling techniques. I would say boxing/kickboxing plus wrestling/judo/BJJ. that should protect you standing and on the ground.
Fenixgoon
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qft about the 2-5 move part... for aikido, we practice a lot of different locks/throws. but when it comes time to do freestyle (multiple attackers, any attack), it's almost always a kokyunagi (timing throw) for defending because they are simple, effective, and quick.
exdeath
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Bujinkan Ninjitsu/Taijitsu is aimed at quick crippling takedowns of assailants and disabling grappling maneuvers. Not very graceful at times, and boring to spar due to quick take downs and re-squaring, its focus is on rapid lethality and depriving your opponent of a second chance to attack, if not first. A very no BS practical style.
Taekwondo is good for physical conditioning and endurance. It focuses on standing your ground on your two feet and otherwise just flat out relentlessly beating the unholy sh1t out of your opponent, thus it is a very fun style to spar for hours on end.
Either way you have to know what you are doing. I used to perform Ninjitsu and I have a black belt and instructor-in-training qualifications in Taekwondo.
However I still carry a lock knife (legally concealable at 3.5? and under in just about all states) and a USP .40 S&W.
IMO martial arts are useful for sport and health and little else these days. It's not worth taking the chance that the majority of the time assailants WILL be armed even if they don't present the weapon until you resist. I always assume any threat I may come across will be armed and better armed than I am, and I carry myself in risky situations accordingly. I also assume that they will continue the assalt even after they get what they want, as most violent assaults have shown. Therefore if someone aproaches me with violent intent, it is already assumed there will not be a peaceful conclusion.
Best defense is staying out of trouble to begin with and using your brain. If you hang out with the wrong crowds at the wrong places or participate in illegal activities you are practically begging for it and most likely deserve what comes your way. The only time standing your ground is the first and only option is when your life or property* is in danger. Walking away with my life AND property are non-negotiable; these are the terms that you will abide by should you decide to assualt me without my having caused the first willful violation. Everything else, including YOUR life, are on the table and open to comprimise. If you want to debate legality, as I've said, statistics will back you up in court.
Statistics show if you throw a crook your wallet he will most likely shoot you anyway. In that case you have a better chance fighting than being shot in the back and left to die just so you can't identify the guy or cancel your credit cards. Thus I don't care if the gun was empty or even a plastic prop. or even a squirt gun pressed against a jacket pocket. I don't care if I only have $3 in my wallet. If I feel I am being threatened with deadly force I will act accordingly. Arizona law agrees.
* I consider property an extension of your life, as you expended time and labor in the form of blood, sweat, and tears to obtain the property at the cost of giving up some countless hours of your limited lifespan; hours which you can never recover even if the material object can be replaced. If you give up property willingly to secure your momentary safety, it will just keep happening and you are a slave. You might as well not seek anything in life at all unless you are willing to defend it once you acquire it or your are just wasting that life in the first place. I?m a firm believer of the classical conservative viewpoint that violation of a person?s free will and private property is the one and only real act of crime from which all other crimes and acts of ill will can be derived. Private property rights, starting first and foremost with your own living body, and followed by all other property obtained via labor of your own hands from that body, is the most sacred concept of freedom that must not be transgressed.
Taekwondo is good for physical conditioning and endurance. It focuses on standing your ground on your two feet and otherwise just flat out relentlessly beating the unholy sh1t out of your opponent, thus it is a very fun style to spar for hours on end.
Either way you have to know what you are doing. I used to perform Ninjitsu and I have a black belt and instructor-in-training qualifications in Taekwondo.
However I still carry a lock knife (legally concealable at 3.5? and under in just about all states) and a USP .40 S&W.
IMO martial arts are useful for sport and health and little else these days. It's not worth taking the chance that the majority of the time assailants WILL be armed even if they don't present the weapon until you resist. I always assume any threat I may come across will be armed and better armed than I am, and I carry myself in risky situations accordingly. I also assume that they will continue the assalt even after they get what they want, as most violent assaults have shown. Therefore if someone aproaches me with violent intent, it is already assumed there will not be a peaceful conclusion.
Best defense is staying out of trouble to begin with and using your brain. If you hang out with the wrong crowds at the wrong places or participate in illegal activities you are practically begging for it and most likely deserve what comes your way. The only time standing your ground is the first and only option is when your life or property* is in danger. Walking away with my life AND property are non-negotiable; these are the terms that you will abide by should you decide to assualt me without my having caused the first willful violation. Everything else, including YOUR life, are on the table and open to comprimise. If you want to debate legality, as I've said, statistics will back you up in court.
Statistics show if you throw a crook your wallet he will most likely shoot you anyway. In that case you have a better chance fighting than being shot in the back and left to die just so you can't identify the guy or cancel your credit cards. Thus I don't care if the gun was empty or even a plastic prop. or even a squirt gun pressed against a jacket pocket. I don't care if I only have $3 in my wallet. If I feel I am being threatened with deadly force I will act accordingly. Arizona law agrees.
* I consider property an extension of your life, as you expended time and labor in the form of blood, sweat, and tears to obtain the property at the cost of giving up some countless hours of your limited lifespan; hours which you can never recover even if the material object can be replaced. If you give up property willingly to secure your momentary safety, it will just keep happening and you are a slave. You might as well not seek anything in life at all unless you are willing to defend it once you acquire it or your are just wasting that life in the first place. I?m a firm believer of the classical conservative viewpoint that violation of a person?s free will and private property is the one and only real act of crime from which all other crimes and acts of ill will can be derived. Private property rights, starting first and foremost with your own living body, and followed by all other property obtained via labor of your own hands from that body, is the most sacred concept of freedom that must not be transgressed.
Surprised that I didn't read Kempo
"Kempo is mostly known as a mixed style that combines a heritage in Chinese martial arts, especially Shaolin, with karate (and sometimes called 'Kenpo Karate'), often mixed with elements of other Japanese arts like jujutsu and aikijujutsu"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenpo
Would also agree About Krav Maga
"Kempo is mostly known as a mixed style that combines a heritage in Chinese martial arts, especially Shaolin, with karate (and sometimes called 'Kenpo Karate'), often mixed with elements of other Japanese arts like jujutsu and aikijujutsu"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenpo
Would also agree About Krav Maga
If you're being attacked with a knife, all the other successes in your life don't matter at all; all that matters is that you don't get cut badly enough to bleed to death.
I'm nowhere near qualified to give anyone advice on how to deal with a knife attack, but I can tell you that generally someone who intends to kill you and knows what he's doing won't let you see the knife until it's too late, if you see it at all. That's actually the main reason I wouldn't recommend clinching or grappling with a stranger in a fight.
If someone pointed a knife at me and demanded my wallet, I'd throw the wallet in their general direction and run in the opposite. However, if you're really worried about knife attacks, you might check out AMOK. They have a lot of instructors in MA, so there's probably someone near you.
exdeath
Lifer
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Easy money. How much do you make?
A gun and a self defense course might be cheaper over the long run; hard to say not knowing your circumstances. I thank liberal pacifist school teachers for installing the whole 'give them what they want and they will go away' philosophy into the current generation. Throwing the wallet should only be the first step in distracting them long enough to make a safe counter attack. Never assume you will be let off easy if you comply. Criminals seldom honor law and that includes verbal contracts.
What do you do when they shoot you in the back or chase you down and stab you to death and leave you in a ditch because they think you saw their face and paniced that you will run to police right away? Maybe you made a clean get away, but your wallet was empty and they followed you home determined to get something more for their effort? What do you do when you are cornered or out numbered with nowhere to run, and after throwing your wallet they don't leave or worse they get pissed off because you only have $5 on you? How about if you give them your wallet and you're told to turn around or get down on your knees or get escorted into a dark alley or building or even a car? What do you do when there is a mugger waiting on every corner just making an honest living because it's easy and there are no consequences? The police will be too busy to be everywhere at once when that many dishonest people see how easy it is to force people to give up their wallets.
http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/d/5509-2/sheeple.jpg
I mean no ill will or criticism on your private choices, but I hope you have at least considered these things before, if not now.
You guys both make a good point. If you do give them your wallet, who says you can then outrun them? On the other hand, if you get into your car, you can run their asses down!
But what if they do follow you home?..On the other hand, what if all they wanted was the money and would've let you go, but you got into a fight and got stabbed accidentally (or then, intentionally)?..
Hmm, maybe I should carry a knife just in case...
As for the AMOK - don't mess with this instructor
If you are interested in taking an edged weapon class, Steve Tarani is another excellent instructor. He travels around the country at times as well, so you might want to check his schedule out and see if he has an upcoming class in your area.
You make it sound like giving up my wallet every time I get mugged is going to bankrupt me. I haven't been mugged yet, and I don't intend to be. It's not like I'm encountering people demanding my wallet every day on the way home from work; this is what I would do if I somehow ended up in a situation that I should have avoided. You really think that after they pick up my wallet and check to see what's in it, it's going to be worth their time (assuming they can even catch me) to run me down so they can stab me, especially since I'd run either to my car or into some sort of place of business? If you run from someone in a way that allows them to follow you home, you deserve whatever happens to you.
I didn't say I would do the same thing if a gun was pointed at me. Guns are entirely different from knives. I also didn't say I would do the same thing if I were cornered (completely different situation) or kneel if they told me to (also completely different). I don't know what you do during your day to day life, but I try to avoid putting myself against a wall facing multiple armed and disgruntled thugs.
If you're in a situation where you really think you're going to die, you pick up whatever weapon is available (trash can lid, board, rock, shoe, etc) and try to kill them before they kill you. However, unless you want to risk your life over the contents of your wallet, I'd try to set up the situation so you can run, or better yet choose a route home from work that doesn't involve streets with murderous thugs on every corner and dark alleys on every block. If you live in a city where that's the case, maybe you should carry a shotgun under your jacket. Personally, though, I'd move.
California, thanks. If you don't think a trash can lid can be useful in defending against a knife, there's no reason to continue this discussion because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Rudy Toody
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ranmaniac
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The fighting stlye of Jason Bourne in The Bourne Identity/Supremacy is based loosely on the Filipino Martial Arts - Pekiti-Tirsia Kali
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pekiti_Tirsia_Kali
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pekiti_Tirsia_Kali
Haven't any of you learned anything from the movie Fearless? Its not about the style, but the person.
hahahhahaha. God I love obscurity. Of course, unless he is Korean he cannot attain perfection. Still, he may not be totally worthless.
For all of you who are against Taekwondo and say it is a weak form of martial art, did you know that there is two distinct form of Taekwondo who are teach in the world? The ITF (Original Taekwondo) and the WTF (the South Korean form of Taekwondo and the one seen in the olympic competition).
The form you likely know is the WTF since it's the one sanctioned by South Korea and the one used in the Olympic competition.
From what I know both form, while retaining the same name, are very different in fighting style.
Not that I am an expert in any martial arts but from what I know the ITF form is in constant evolution and support a scientific approach in it's evolution making it and putting it aside from the WTF who hasn't changed since it was invented (at that time it was almost identical to the ITF form.) Because of that there is bigger chance for the ITF form to have become a superior form of combat than the WTF form. ITF school are much more difficult to find in north america because it's the North Korean form of Taekwondo (It's kind of ironic because the founder of Taekwondo and later the ITF has lived in Canada since the fondation of the ITF and until his death in 2002.)
Not to say this make Taekwondo a more efficient street fighting style but more to say that the Taekwondo you know is maybe not the most effective one that was created and improved by the original Taekwondo creator for the rest of his life.
Edit: for all the time I wrote Teakwondo instead of Taekwondo
The form you likely know is the WTF since it's the one sanctioned by South Korea and the one used in the Olympic competition.
From what I know both form, while retaining the same name, are very different in fighting style.
Not that I am an expert in any martial arts but from what I know the ITF form is in constant evolution and support a scientific approach in it's evolution making it and putting it aside from the WTF who hasn't changed since it was invented (at that time it was almost identical to the ITF form.) Because of that there is bigger chance for the ITF form to have become a superior form of combat than the WTF form. ITF school are much more difficult to find in north america because it's the North Korean form of Taekwondo (It's kind of ironic because the founder of Taekwondo and later the ITF has lived in Canada since the fondation of the ITF and until his death in 2002.)
Not to say this make Taekwondo a more efficient street fighting style but more to say that the Taekwondo you know is maybe not the most effective one that was created and improved by the original Taekwondo creator for the rest of his life.
Edit: for all the time I wrote Teakwondo instead of Taekwondo
alkemyst
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All martial arts are useless against another real fighter unless you are fit and strong.
Then you want to have a few tools in your belt. Long range (kicks) and extremely close range (elbow and knee, even head strikes), know how to use a knife (way more dangerous than almost any weapon up close including guns), stick/club, chair/stool...
Expect a friend or two to try to get behind you.
Definitely get it over with as fast as possible even if that means risking breaking their bones. I have seen more dudes get fu'ked up getting someone into a choke hold and telling them to calm down when buddy #1 comes up with a bat or chair or just a good boot to the head.
You can taunt an advisary if you know it's just you and your friends around though
I hate hurting anyone, I guess I am too emo as after all fights I have won I cried a bit for the guy I hurt no matter how much of an ass they were being.
I studied Kenpo which was based karate, judo, aikido, jujitsu probably some other things...I took wrestling as well. The important thing I found was we had our 'belt system', it played out to the parents and masses that wanted better belts...we also had after-class classes that were semi-private and adults only that taught true self-defense and a bit of offense. One guy that joined had been repeatedly beaten up by a group of 4 dudes no matter where they showed up. It sucks because he was in his 30's, maybe 40's...high mileage type of guy...you'd think you were done with getting picked on once you grew up. The reason the guys were kicking his tail all the time was one of their g/f's used him to get revenge on one of the guys. They got back together and his butt was on the line.
In about 3 months, he was able to defend himself long enough for the public to help him, in about 6 months he had put one of them in the hospital in pretty bad shape. After about a year he didn't need to really come anymore. He was coming everyday during that year though.
When he showed up though the first thing our instructor did was have him run all class.
Then you want to have a few tools in your belt. Long range (kicks) and extremely close range (elbow and knee, even head strikes), know how to use a knife (way more dangerous than almost any weapon up close including guns), stick/club, chair/stool...
Expect a friend or two to try to get behind you.
Definitely get it over with as fast as possible even if that means risking breaking their bones. I have seen more dudes get fu'ked up getting someone into a choke hold and telling them to calm down when buddy #1 comes up with a bat or chair or just a good boot to the head.
You can taunt an advisary if you know it's just you and your friends around though
I hate hurting anyone, I guess I am too emo as after all fights I have won I cried a bit for the guy I hurt no matter how much of an ass they were being.
I studied Kenpo which was based karate, judo, aikido, jujitsu probably some other things...I took wrestling as well. The important thing I found was we had our 'belt system', it played out to the parents and masses that wanted better belts...we also had after-class classes that were semi-private and adults only that taught true self-defense and a bit of offense. One guy that joined had been repeatedly beaten up by a group of 4 dudes no matter where they showed up. It sucks because he was in his 30's, maybe 40's...high mileage type of guy...you'd think you were done with getting picked on once you grew up. The reason the guys were kicking his tail all the time was one of their g/f's used him to get revenge on one of the guys. They got back together and his butt was on the line.
In about 3 months, he was able to defend himself long enough for the public to help him, in about 6 months he had put one of them in the hospital in pretty bad shape. After about a year he didn't need to really come anymore. He was coming everyday during that year though.
When he showed up though the first thing our instructor did was have him run all class.
LOL
Guy: "And how do you feel about the massacre"
Borat: "Very proud"
Guy: "Are you sad?"
Borat: "No, it is us who a do the kill"
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