What's the best fighting style?

[mizzou]

Many martial arts are what they are, an "art". Some tailor to the rules/regulations of violent combat sports. Some tailor to the lawless rules of the streets.

Depending on your own physical agility and personal attributes, you could be an extremely effective kick-boxer or an extremely effective boxer, etc.

There is no one best martial art...however anything that incorporates ground wrestling techniques has often had the upper hand in a real fight. Look at the original UFC, where there were almost NO rules and weight classes, except for like eye gouging and shit.

Who won? Dan Severn, Royce Gracie, etc. guys who knew how to get shit done on the ground.

 

[norseamd]

Many martial arts are what they are, an "art". Some tailor to the rules/regulations of violent combat sports. Some tailor to the lawless rules of the streets. Depending on your own physical agility and personal attributes, you could be an extremely effective kick-boxer or an extremely effective boxer, etc. There is no one best martial art...however anything that incorporates ground wrestling techniques has often had the upper hand in a real fight. Look at the original UFC, where there were almost NO rules and weight classes, except for like eye gouging and shit. Who won? Dan Severn, Royce Gracie, etc. guys who knew how to get shit done on the ground.

ground fighting is going to do shit for you against multiple opponents

 

[angminas]

ground fighting is going to do shit for you against multiple opponents

Yeah. I have to say that a real fight is one where you have to assume the drunk asshole you're choking has some drunk asshole friends nearby with broken bottles and steel-toed boots. Getting on the ground in that situation is begging for several months of physical therapy.

 

[mistercrabby]

Nuking it from orbit. It is the only way to be sure.

Yes.

 

[sourceninja]

Yeah. I have to say that a real fight is one where you have to assume the drunk asshole you're choking has some drunk asshole friends nearby with broken bottles and steel-toed boots. Getting on the ground in that situation is begging for several months of physical therapy.

Do you people not have friends? I guess my friends and I must be the roving group of drunk assholes....

 

[angminas]

Do you people not have friends? I guess my friends and I must be the roving group of drunk assholes....

signs point to yes

 

[biostud]

Bringing a gun to a knife fight.

 

[Azraele]

I like kick boxing.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Pokemon battling

 

[manimal]

Tournament arts are terrible for street fighting or self defense in the real world.

You have to analize what the art was created for. TKD,and the other tournament styles you practice speed with no power and you worry about not hurting your partner. You establish bad muscle memory and train yourself to hit like a pussy.

Karate is a great way to skill up in two or three years and fight on a battlefield. Thats what it was created for. It was also very different and had little to no open handed KATA or forms. If you look at early Karate it was based on Chinese Boxing Hung Gar and long fist brought over by merchants and pirates. Remember the Japanese pirate invasions before the Ming dynasty repulsed them ?

Many of the old Chinese family styles evolved over the years and were used to protect the villages and traveling traders who were always at risk to highway men and warlords. These Styles were direct and simple in most cases and deadly. The Chen family fame grew from this.
The warlords and generals also developed styles to beat rival armies and for Champions. The arts these men used were increbibly lethal and were designed to make the generals seem almost superhuman to their soldiers. When I mentioned Hsing I or Xing Yi it was the ZENITH of fighting in the bloodiest era of chinese history. The muslim Hsing I style enabled the ethinic minority to survive.

A famous fighter from last century whos name I cant spell only learned one of the five element forms of basic Henan hsing I and he was undefeated for 40 years. He literally learned a form that you can learn in a week and worked it for a few years just because he wanted to defend himself when delivering goods for his business.

The internal Martial arts from China and Taiwan also allow for people to train at an elite level for 50-60 years while a decade of say Karate will leave you with Arthritic elbows and sore knees. a lifetime of hsing I or taichi or Bagua will allow you kick ass and live to 110.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

A mixture of kick boxing, wrestling, and jui jitsu.

 

[akugami]

天下武功，无坚不摧，唯快不破

Rough crappy translation: There's no technique that can't be broken. Only speed can't be broken.

Basically if you take him out before he takes you out, you're good. It doesn't matter what martial art you use.

 

[manimal]

天下武功，无坚不摧，唯快不破

Rough crappy translation: There's no technique that can't be broken. Only speed can't be broken.

Basically if you take him out before he takes you out, you're good. It doesn't matter what martial art you use.

The thing is it does depending on who you are fighting. Speed can be overcome by technique to a certain degree. If you have a combination of speed and technique you have a different argument.

 

[Squeetard]

A mixture of kick boxing, wrestling, and jui jitsu.

Bzzzzzzt. Muay Tai, Wrestling and Jui Jitsu. This is pretty much what modern mma is made of.

Muay Tai = Kick Boxing with knees and elbows thrown in. Superior in my book.

 

[manimal]

Bzzzzzzt. Muay Tai, Wrestling and Jui Jitsu. This is pretty much what modern mma is made of.

Muay Tai = Kick Boxing with knees and elbows thrown in. Superior in my book.

for MMA which has its own rules. Look at all the things you cant do in the UFC. In the real world most of that stuff doesnt fly. First anyone who gets on the ground in a fight better have buddies or people watching your back. Kicking in most street fights is a bad idea as well since your likelyhood of being thrown grows.


If you want to defend yourself in the fastest time possible study Win Chun or Hsing I and start sparring since nothing replaces live competition. JKD is basically Win Chun lite with a more open stance usually.

 

[SP33Demon]

It might sound sneaky as fuck, but it's also dangerous as fuck for the wearer. Problem is a poison coated spike or spikes, facing down so as to obscure them, can puncture and cut that same hand easily in the middle of struggle. As I understand it those were mainly for women, and their primary function was as a small yawara, used to apply pressure or harden a strike to control someone's position or movement. Also, historical ninja weren't really the apothecaries Western writers wish they were. Back then you didn't need a poison, you just let your intended weapon or projectile get rusty. Before the time of tetanus shots, dying from tetanus was a very real fear, usually a drawn out, unpleasant end. A ninja aiming to poison a target would have had many other, better methods to do so (the preferred ones involving someone's rice bowl, or the ninja not having to be within touching distance of the target).

There is no "best" style. There are a few complete systems out there that outclass other methods of combat though. From my own experiences and study, I'd put ninpo taijutsu and systema at the top of the list, followed by krav maga.

I agree there is a risk to the wearer of the poison spike, but all in all they only have to grab the person or palm strike them and it's game over. That's a pretty sneaky way to win a fight, you'd have to agree.

Also, isn't ninpo taijutsu a form of ninjutsu? Never tried systema or krav.

 

[manimal]

I agree there is a risk to the wearer of the poison spike, but all in all they only have to grab the person or palm strike them and it's game over. That's a pretty sneaky way to win a fight, you'd have to agree.

Also, isn't ninpo taijutsu a form of ninjutsu? Never tried systema or krav.

Krav Maga is legit while Systema for the most part is incredibly derivative and the guys who teach it in most parts of the world are known to be brutal for no reason and have a worse back room teaching policy than the old Chinese or the Gracies.


When it comes to your comment on the grab in most of the serious arts if you get grabbed your fucked. If say a Bagua master grabs you you will be thrown 20-25 feet. If a Judo practitioner grabs you your slammed etc... Even getting inside someone center point or central door or whatever metafore your art uses for your groin on up to your eyes is horrible any way you look at it. If your hands are down and your opponent has a chance to grab you he also has a chance to poke your eye, tear at your throat, strike your carotid and nerve cluster etc. Single strike techniques are no joke.

Chinna should also be mentioned since it can end the fight before it even begins.

 

[Leyawiin]

Cut, run and go play a video game.

 

[dainthomas]

Tournament arts are terrible for street fighting or self defense in the real world.

You have to analize what the art was created for. TKD,and the other tournament styles you practice speed with no power and you worry about not hurting your partner. You establish bad muscle memory and train yourself to hit like a pussy.

Not sure where you get this. My daughter has to do progressively more difficult board breaking to advance. How is this done with no power? Ditto with the flying kicks. Sure, the forms aren't really practical for fighting, but they're good for teaching discipline, balance, and coordination.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I'm a firm believer of using guns in knife fights, there's no reason to not use one in a martial arts fight too. Somebody starts that shit just go Indiana Jones on their ass and shoot.

 

[southkrn]

IMO, Jeet Kun Do was only considered good because Bruce Lee made it look good.

 

[norseamd]

IMO, Jeet Kun Do was only considered good because Bruce Lee made it look good.

bullshit

 

[kage69]

I agree there is a risk to the wearer of the poison spike, but all in all they only have to grab the person or palm strike them and it's game over. That's a pretty sneaky way to win a fight, you'd have to agree.

Fine, it's sneaky.

Also, isn't ninpo taijutsu a form of ninjutsu? Never tried systema or krav.

I should have said budo taijutsu actually, it's more specific to the flavor of that which I am accustomed, the booj. It's quicker if I just point you towards a concise rundown on what budo taijutsu is, done by someone who did it right. So, http://www.gunndojo.com/webpage/ind...ews/8-the-9-schools-of-bujinkan-budo-taijutsu


I'm a fan of the Kukishinden ryu curriculum myself, which as you see is actually a samurai school (guess I'm no purist!) Stuff like pole arms or knowing how to grapple wearing armor interest me a lot less than the nitty gritty hand to hand stuff, things more applicable to this day and age.

Systema is quite impressive, I would very much like to expand my meager knowledge of it.

I don't think it's a coincidence both styles originated in war torn regions that also experience real winters. Training on ice is a prominent theme in the history of both, and I think it shows. If you appreciate sneaky though, you need to check out some well oiled taijutsu sometime, because it gets a lot better than pointy rings.

 

[kage69]

IMO, Jeet Kun Do was only considered good because Bruce Lee made it look good.

Then IMO you need to google Dan Inosanto.

 

[kage69]

Krav Maga is legit while Systema for the most part is incredibly derivative and the guys who teach it in most parts of the world are known to be brutal for no reason and have a worse back room teaching policy than the old Chinese or the Gracies.

Interesting. I've got nothing but admiration for Martin Wheeler, but regardless I'm not sure any of that cancels out the fact that systema is effective. It works. Derivative? If you say so.