Whats the 4000 series bring to the table and when

[happy medium]

Seems nvidia does have or will have the entire market.

9800gx2 will beat the 3870x2
9800gtx will kill the 3870 and mabe = the 3870x2
98oogt will kill the 3870
9600gt is killing the 3850 and real close to the 3870
9600gs seems will be = to a 3850 for a much lower price
9500gt will kill the 3650 but the 8600gt is good enough now
95oogs will kill the 3450 but the 8500gt is good enough now

http://www.crysis-online.com/f...ndex.php?topic=22650.0

Am I missing something?

Right now Ati/AMD has the 3870x2 win.
I think in 2 weeks when the 9800gx2 is released the partys over till they come out with the 4000 series. At that point who knows? mabe Tulip?

 

[Skunkwourk]

you're forgetting price.

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: happy medium
Seems nvidia does have or will have the entire market.

9800gx2 will beat the 3870x2
9800gtx will kill the 3870 and mabe = the 3870x2
98oogt will kill the 3870
9600gt is killing the 3850 and real close to the 3870
9600gs seems will be = to a 3850 for a much lower price
9500gt will kill the 3650 but the 8600gt is good enough now
95oogs will kill the 3450 but the 8500gt is good enough now

http://www.crysis-online.com/f...ndex.php?topic=22650.0

Am I missing something?

Right now Ati/AMD has the 3870x2 win.
I think in 2 weeks when the 9800gx2 is released the partys over till they come out with the 4000 series. At that point who knows? mabe Tulip?

hmmm, so youre claiming nvidia domination on a bunch of unreleased cards. good one. for all we know AMD has a card waiting to spoil a couple of those releases

 

[apoppin]

You are missing the facts .. insufficient data atm

We all are

AMD will not roll over and die ... they have always fought nvidia's superior performance with better pricing ... and now they have a superior multi-GPU solution

time will tell

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: lavaheadache

Originally posted by: happy medium
Seems nvidia does have or will have the entire market.

9800gx2 will beat the 3870x2
9800gtx will kill the 3870 and mabe = the 3870x2
98oogt will kill the 3870
9600gt is killing the 3850 and real close to the 3870
9600gs seems will be = to a 3850 for a much lower price
9500gt will kill the 3650 but the 8600gt is good enough now
95oogs will kill the 3450 but the 8500gt is good enough now

http://www.crysis-online.com/f...ndex.php?topic=22650.0

Am I missing something?

Right now Ati/AMD has the 3870x2 win.
I think in 2 weeks when the 9800gx2 is released the partys over till they come out with the 4000 series. At that point who knows? mabe Tulip?

hmmm, so youre claiming nvidia domination on a bunch of unreleased cards. good one. for all we know AMD has a card waiting to spoil a couple of those releases

He also seems to be comparing cards without any justification. So what if the 9800GT kills the HD3870. Are they priced the same? Probably not, since the 9600GT and HD3870 are priced the same, and it would be crazy for nVidia to price the 9600GT and 9800GT at the same level.
Fine, nVidia may have higher raw performance with many cards than ATi cards, but on the other hand, they also cost more. Also saying WILL do x or y is a bit silly when there are no benchmarks, ignoring the whole complete stupidity of comparing cards which aren't necessarily priced the same.

 

[Tempered81]

i think he's just asking for info on the RV770 4870 and 4870x2. check that other topic about gx2 vs. gtx vs. x2

 

[NinjaJedi]

The claims of one card beating or killing another are all speculation at this point in time. Since the link you provided is broken no one can say anything. Also a cards performance in one game doesn't translate into overall performance.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
The claims of one card beating or killing another are all speculation at this point in time. Since the link you provided is broken no one can say anything. Also a cards performance in one game doesn't translate into overall performance.

yah definitely don't go by 3dmark scores. check out the other thread for benchmark discussion of crossfire x vs. tri-sli between rollo and myself.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
i think he's just asking for info on the RV770 4870 and 4870x2. check that other topic about gx2 vs. gtx vs. x2

More or less correct.

Usually a refresh means cheaper to manufacture correct?
I don't see price being much of a factor,when the 9600gt proves the refresh gives more performance for less money. For 151.00$ last I checked the 9600gt is dam close to 3870 performance. Now the 8800gt is going for around 210$ and drops every week or so, and allready beats a 3870. The 8800gs is 130.00$ or so last I checked and also puts a woopen on the 3850.

If the 9800gx2 is priced anywhere (which I believe it will) near the 3870x2, in 2 short weeks it will hold the top spot.
This seem to be the only win ati/amd has at this point.

As far as the low end is concerned (which dosen't really interest me), Prices and performance are about equal to the 8600gt/gts with the introduction of the 3650,and 3450.
I'm sure the 9600gs,9500gtand,9500gs will change that too.


I don't need benchmarks for any of the above. It's either already a fact or pure common sense!

As far as the 9800gt,9800gtx is concerned it's just icing on the cake since Nvidia allready dominates in all price points and performance now!

I see ATI's strong point is being able to crossfire different cards and having better cheaper motherboards for crossfire.
Mabe the nforce 790i will change this?

Don't get me wrong I want competition, but IMHO right now there is none. I was posting to see if there are some 3855 or 3875 card in the works to bring Ati up to par with Nvidia? Kinda like the 1900xt refreshed to a 1950xtx or a 3850pro model? If ATI waits for the 4000 series it's gonna be a slaughter for the next 5/6 months!
By this time the real next generation nvidia card will be close to release.

What do you guys think?

Edit : the link was just Nvidia's early 2008 line up.

9800gx2
9800gtx
9800gt
9600gt
9600gs
9500gt
9500gs

 

[apoppin]

What do you guys think?

i think it is wild unfounded speculation .. too many variables to make your prediction

what IS interesting is to see HOW amd responds ... and i certainly don't want to suggest anything to help them as it is THEIR job to think of what to do to counteract nvidia - not mine

 

[Tempered81]

yah, I would wait for some benchmarks of 9 series or r700. Right now my price/performance bets are on various Crossfire x configurations (3870x2, 3870, in 2 3 or 4 gpu CF) or 9600GT vanilla SLI, or 8800 GTS SLI. It's a shame that CFX and SLI don't work on any old 2 or 3 pci-e slotted motherboard.

bang for the buck single card is up in the air with 9600gt or 8800gt, 3870, possibly with 9800gt in there or 8800gts in 2nd. 8800GS looks good too.

9800gt/9800gtx and 4870/4870x2 i can judge when i see their performance reviews.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: apoppin

What do you guys think?

i think it is wild unfounded speculation .. too many variables to make your prediction

what IS interesting is to see HOW amd responds ... and i certainly don't want to suggest anything to help them i it is THEIR job to think of what to do to counteract nvidia - not mine

Where do you see unfounded speculation?

3870 gets owned by 8800gt for about the same price and the 3850 gets owned by both the 8800gs and 9600gt for the same price or less.

Are you trying to say nvidia's 9800gx2 won't beat the 3870x2?
I've seen many of your posts ,I think your smarter then that?

This is a fact and it's happening now!
With the intraduction of the rest 9800 series it's gonna get worse.

We need a better ATI line up is what i'm saying. Better competition = better prices.

 

[NinjaJedi]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: jaredpace
i think he's just asking for info on the RV770 4870 and 4870x2. check that other topic about gx2 vs. gtx vs. x2

I don't need benchmarks for any of the above. It's either already a fact or pure common sense!

How can it be fact without benchmarks to back it up? I think by common sense you mean fanboyism.

So far I have only seen 1 benchmark (3dmark06) compairing the 9800GX2 to the 3870X2 and the 3870X2 won that.

 

[apoppin]

it is *all* wild unfounded speculation till we SEE the lineup

it doesn't matter what the OP or any of us 'think' we need

AMD doesn't respond in the way you guys imagine
:roll:

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
yah, I would wait for some benchmarks of 9 series or r700. Right now my price/performance bets are on various Crossfire x configurations (3870x2, 3870, in 2 3 or 4 gpu CF) or 9600GT vanilla SLI, or 8800 GTS SLI. It's a shame that CFX and SLI don't work on any old 2 or 3 pci-e slotted motherboard.

bang for the buck single card is up in the air with 9600gt or 8800gt, 3870, possibly with 9800gt in there or 8800gts in 2nd. 8800GS looks good too.

9800gt/9800gtx and 4870/4870x2 i can judge when i see their performance reviews.

The 9800gx2 is scheduled out in 2 weeks.
SO the 9800gt/9800gtx (which is scheduled out by the first week in april by the way) is to go against the 4000 series in august?

GOOD luck Ati Jeeeez!

 

[NinjaJedi]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: jaredpace
i think he's just asking for info on the RV770 4870 and 4870x2. check that other topic about gx2 vs. gtx vs. x2

For 151.00$ last I checked the 9600gt is dam close to 3870

Just curious where you are seeing a 9600gt for $151?

 

[bryanW1995]

the 9600 gt isn't quite the world-beater that we all thought it was. haven't you read the "nvidia is cheating again" thread? also, the new drivers have helped them a lot. cat 8.3 is supposed to help amd quite a bit as well, let's compare 9600gt vs 3870 when they both have current drivers and they're running at higher resolutions. at 1280x1024 nobody needs EITHER of these cards unless he's a crysis nut.

How much better than 8800gt can 9800gt be? 9800gtx is supposed to be just a higher-clocked 8800gts 512. Assuming that is correct, 9800gt should perform 5-10% faster than 8800gt. That will make 9800gt 20-30% better than 3870. r700 should easily best that with room to spare.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: jaredpace
i think he's just asking for info on the RV770 4870 and 4870x2. check that other topic about gx2 vs. gtx vs. x2

I don't need benchmarks for any of the above. It's either already a fact or pure common sense!

How can it be fact without benchmarks to back it up? I think by common sense you mean fanboyism.

So far I have only seen 1 benchmark (3dmark06) compairing the 9800GX2 to the 3870X2 and the 3870X2 won that.

Mabe you missed this post?

Quote:

Where do you see unfounded speculation?

3870 gets owned by 8800gt for about the same price and the 3850 gets owned by both the 8800gs and 9600gt for the same price or less.

Are you trying to say nvidia's 9800gx2 won't beat the 3870x2?
I've seen many of your posts ,I think your smarter then that?

This is a fact and it's happening now!
With the intraduction of the rest 9800 series it's gonna get worse.

We need a better ATI line up is what i'm saying. Better competition = better prices.

unquote


I'm no fanboy. I just state the facts.
8800gt has better price performance then the 3870
8800gs/9600gt destroys the 3850 and cheaper (8800gs) or same price (9600gt).

I highly dought Nvidia will release the 9800gx2 and not take the 3870x2's performance crown. You have to admit it, it wouldn't make sense.

So what im saying is...is there a 3875 or 3855 being released?
If not Ati is gonna get a woopen till the 4000 series correct?

 

[NinjaJedi]

I think ATI has 3 things going for them right now that NV does not.
1. The expertise of AMD in driver development.
2. The ability to miss match cards for xfire.
3. Multiple monitor support in xfire.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
the 9600 gt isn't quite the world-beater that we all thought it was. haven't you read the "nvidia is cheating again" thread? also, the new drivers have helped them a lot. cat 8.3 is supposed to help amd quite a bit as well, let's compare 9600gt vs 3870 when they both have current drivers and they're running at higher resolutions. at 1280x1024 nobody needs EITHER of these cards unless he's a crysis nut.

How much better than 8800gt can 9800gt be? 9800gtx is supposed to be just a higher-clocked 8800gts 512. Assuming that is correct, 9800gt should perform 5-10% faster than 8800gt. That will make 9800gt 20-30% better than 3870. r700 should easily best that with room to spare.

Why are we comparing the 151.00$ 9600gt with the 3870 in the first place?
The 3850 is the 9600gt's direct competition right? Same price right?
Mid range vs mid range right?

8800gt vs the 3870 would be a better argument if ATi would drop there prices on the 3870 more.

Who needs the 9800gt the 8800gt beats it now.
Does ati have a card to counter the 9800gtx?
Thats the question.

 

[apoppin]

I'm no fanboy. I just state the facts.

RotFL

:lips:

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
I think ATI has 3 things going for them right now that NV does not.
1. The expertise of AMD in driver development.
2. The ability to miss match cards for xfire.
3. Multiple monitor support in xfire.

I agree, especially with #2

 

[NinjaJedi]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: jaredpace
i think he's just asking for info on the RV770 4870 and 4870x2. check that other topic about gx2 vs. gtx vs. x2

I don't need benchmarks for any of the above. It's either already a fact or pure common sense!

How can it be fact without benchmarks to back it up? I think by common sense you mean fanboyism.

So far I have only seen 1 benchmark (3dmark06) compairing the 9800GX2 to the 3870X2 and the 3870X2 won that.

Mabe you missed this post?

Quote:

Where do you see unfounded speculation?

3870 gets owned by 8800gt for about the same price and the 3850 gets owned by both the 8800gs and 9600gt for the same price or less.

Are you trying to say nvidia's 9800gx2 won't beat the 3870x2?
I've seen many of your posts ,I think your smarter then that?

This is a fact and it's happening now!
With the intraduction of the rest 9800 series it's gonna get worse.

We need a better ATI line up is what i'm saying. Better competition = better prices.

unquote


I'm no fanboy. I just state the facts.
8800gt has better price performance then the 3870
8800gs/9600gt destroys the 3850 and cheaper (8800gs) or same price (9600gt).

I highly dought Nvidia will release the 9800gx2 and not take the 3870x2's performance crown. You have to admit it, it wouldn't make sense.

So what im saying is...is there a 3875 or 3855 being released?
If not Ati is gonna get a woopen till the 4000 series correct?

Now it's all about 8xxx series cards.
I thought the whole point of this thread was to say the new NV cards coming out (9xxx) are going to kill the current ATI cards. That is unfounded speculation at this time. You can't claim "fact" yet without something to back it up.

With NVs track record over the past few years I don't doubt the new cards will do well. Time will only tell. I can't say what's going to win until I see the numbers from multiple sources.

 

[aussiestilgar]

Last I heard the Nvidia 9 series is gonna be a disappointing refresh of the 8 series. AMD is coming with a brand new card. Hence I'm much more excited about the AMD cards and looking forward to see what they can do.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: jaredpace
i think he's just asking for info on the RV770 4870 and 4870x2. check that other topic about gx2 vs. gtx vs. x2

I don't need benchmarks for any of the above. It's either already a fact or pure common sense!

How can it be fact without benchmarks to back it up? I think by common sense you mean fanboyism.

So far I have only seen 1 benchmark (3dmark06) compairing the 9800GX2 to the 3870X2 and the 3870X2 won that.

Mabe you missed this post?

Quote:

Where do you see unfounded speculation?

3870 gets owned by 8800gt for about the same price and the 3850 gets owned by both the 8800gs and 9600gt for the same price or less.

Are you trying to say nvidia's 9800gx2 won't beat the 3870x2?
I've seen many of your posts ,I think your smarter then that?

This is a fact and it's happening now!
With the intraduction of the rest 9800 series it's gonna get worse.

We need a better ATI line up is what i'm saying. Better competition = better prices.

unquote


I'm no fanboy. I just state the facts.
8800gt has better price performance then the 3870
8800gs/9600gt destroys the 3850 and cheaper (8800gs) or same price (9600gt).

I highly dought Nvidia will release the 9800gx2 and not take the 3870x2's performance crown. You have to admit it, it wouldn't make sense.

So what im saying is...is there a 3875 or 3855 being released?
If not Ati is gonna get a woopen till the 4000 series correct?

Now it's all about 8xxx series cards.
I thought the whole point of this thread was to say the new NV cards coming out (9xxx) are going to kill the current ATI cards. That is unfounded speculation at this time. You can't claim "fact" yet without something to back it up.

So the *speculation* is that the 9800gt and 9800gtx will be way overpriced?

NO, the whole point of the thread was to see what was ati gonna do to answer to the 8800 series and the soon to be released 9000 series.

The point was how can Ati compete with the 9000 series when it's losing to the 8800 series still???

If Nvidia can put out a 9600gt for 151.00, don't you think the 9800's will be inexspensive also?? A 250/280$ 9800gt dosen't sound out of the question. Neither does a 350/380$ gtx (why would it be more then the 9800gx2). With the 9800gx2 at the 3870x2's 425/450$ price point.

Now thats speculation!! Appopin