whats going on in London???

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Dimkaumd, if you wanted a tribute thread, then having the title as "whats going on in London???" is not something that screams out "Tributes for the Victims of the London Bombings".

Now, if you want that type of thread, please start one as such and request the moderator to sticky it.

Seconded.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Tango



Because the Saudis have very deep links in the american politics, control A LOT of the world oil markets and beeing an absolute monarchy are a somewhat stable commercial partner. Plus Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, so it is virtually inattackable without causing a global religion war...

Then why Iraq?

Geopolitics. The US wanted a friendly or near-puppet country in the gulf region to be used as a "military safe-island" for years to come. Of course the fact that Iraq had energetic resources did play a role. But it wasn't the main reason for the war. In this administration minds Iraq should be a "foot-in-the-door" in the gulf area, capable of shifting the balance of power of that critical area.

So all of the charges of WMD and terrorist ties were made up to justify a "military safe-island" for years to come in Iraq. And Americans have no problem with this?

I wonder how all of the dead and mutilated Iraqi civilians feel about it.

Well hey I got an idea... lets do absolutely nothing, and send teddy bears to the middle east when they bomb us. Maybe if we bathe them with cuddly animals they will stop murdering innocent people....

Or maybe people like you should pull your heads out of your asses and recognize the worldwide crisis that we as human beings are facing. I'm so tired of people criticizing without any offer whatsoever of a solution. You act like these acts of terror weren't happening before 911... you're the same people who complain that the only reason people were suicide bombing in Israel is because of desperation.

WAKE THE FVCK UP PEOPLE.... there is an entire school of thought followed by tens of millions of people in the middle east. This school of thoughts allows for the bombing and killing of OUR CHILDREN... WAKE UP... we are at war.

-Max

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Tango



Because the Saudis have very deep links in the american politics, control A LOT of the world oil markets and beeing an absolute monarchy are a somewhat stable commercial partner. Plus Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, so it is virtually inattackable without causing a global religion war...

Then why Iraq?

Geopolitics. The US wanted a friendly or near-puppet country in the gulf region to be used as a "military safe-island" for years to come. Of course the fact that Iraq had energetic resources did play a role. But it wasn't the main reason for the war. In this administration minds Iraq should be a "foot-in-the-door" in the gulf area, capable of shifting the balance of power of that critical area.

So all of the charges of WMD and terrorist ties were made up to justify a "military safe-island" for years to come in Iraq. And Americans have no problem with this?

I wonder how all of the dead and mutilated Iraqi civilians feel about it.

Well hey I got an idea... lets do absolutely nothing, and send teddy bears to the middle east when they bomb us. Maybe if we bathe them with cuddly animals they will stop murdering innocent people....

Or maybe people like you should pull your heads out of your asses and recognize the worldwide crisis that we as human beings are facing. I'm so tired of people criticizing without any offer whatsoever of a solution. You act like these acts of terror weren't happening before 911... you're the same people who complain that the only reason people were suicide bombing in Israel is because of desperation.

WAKE THE FVCK UP PEOPLE.... there is an entire school of thought followed by tens of millions of people in the middle east. This school of thoughts allows for the bombing and killing of OUR CHILDREN... WAKE UP... we are at war.

-Max

Then get the F*ck over there and start killing the tens of millions of people over there. Oh that's right! You're another chickenhawk.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Tango



Because the Saudis have very deep links in the american politics, control A LOT of the world oil markets and beeing an absolute monarchy are a somewhat stable commercial partner. Plus Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, so it is virtually inattackable without causing a global religion war...

Then why Iraq?

Geopolitics. The US wanted a friendly or near-puppet country in the gulf region to be used as a "military safe-island" for years to come. Of course the fact that Iraq had energetic resources did play a role. But it wasn't the main reason for the war. In this administration minds Iraq should be a "foot-in-the-door" in the gulf area, capable of shifting the balance of power of that critical area.

So all of the charges of WMD and terrorist ties were made up to justify a "military safe-island" for years to come in Iraq. And Americans have no problem with this?

I wonder how all of the dead and mutilated Iraqi civilians feel about it.

Well hey I got an idea... lets do absolutely nothing, and send teddy bears to the middle east when they bomb us. Maybe if we bathe them with cuddly animals they will stop murdering innocent people....

Or maybe people like you should pull your heads out of your asses and recognize the worldwide crisis that we as human beings are facing. I'm so tired of people criticizing without any offer whatsoever of a solution. You act like these acts of terror weren't happening before 911... you're the same people who complain that the only reason people were suicide bombing in Israel is because of desperation.

WAKE THE FVCK UP PEOPLE.... there is an entire school of thought followed by tens of millions of people in the middle east. This school of thoughts allows for the bombing and killing of OUR CHILDREN... WAKE UP... we are at war.

-Max

Then get the F*ck over there and start killing the tens of millions of people over there. Oh that's right! You're another chickenhawk.

You don't know who I am or what I do... so just stop wasting your time trolling... if you have something of meaning to add to the conversation do so... otherwise shut da fvck up.

 

[11thHour]

More evidence that our war on terror is successful, as terrorists are instead killing people abroad and not in our homeland.

 

[phillyTIM]

Bush just wants Iraq, obviously, to spread his cancer throughout the middle east.

It is quite established that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

But Bush continues to spread his web of lies that ties Iraq to 9/11, as evidenced in his news conference.

Bush is attempting to create a cancer network of more lies, based in Iraq, to control things. Bush, quite simply, is a spoiled rich-kid control freak.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Doboji
there is an entire school of thought followed by tens of millions of people in the middle east.

You had me until that, I think you're giving them far too much credit.

Tens of millions may share the sentiments, but those actually willing to fund or carry out attacks are nowhere near common.

All we're really at war with is the actual participants. The rest should come into line with the rest of the world relatively easily.

Viper GTS

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Bush just wants Iraq, obviously, to spread his cancer throughout the middle east.

It is quite established that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

But Bush continues to spread his web of lies that ties Iraq to 9/11, as evidenced in his news conference.

Bush is attempting to create a cancer network of more lies, based in Iraq, to control things. Bush, quite simply, is a spoiled rich-kid control freak.

So what do you think we should do instead?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: BBond
No one was beheading westerners in Iraq before Bush decided to invent reasons to justify his illegal, immoral, unprovoked invasion, were they?

Westerners - No.

Others who disagreed with the government policies - Yes.

Note that those that were supporters of the previous government are now the ones doing the beheadings.

Co-incendence?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Tango



Because the Saudis have very deep links in the american politics, control A LOT of the world oil markets and beeing an absolute monarchy are a somewhat stable commercial partner. Plus Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, so it is virtually inattackable without causing a global religion war...

Then why Iraq?

Geopolitics. The US wanted a friendly or near-puppet country in the gulf region to be used as a "military safe-island" for years to come. Of course the fact that Iraq had energetic resources did play a role. But it wasn't the main reason for the war. In this administration minds Iraq should be a "foot-in-the-door" in the gulf area, capable of shifting the balance of power of that critical area.

So all of the charges of WMD and terrorist ties were made up to justify a "military safe-island" for years to come in Iraq. And Americans have no problem with this?

I wonder how all of the dead and mutilated Iraqi civilians feel about it.

Well hey I got an idea... lets do absolutely nothing, and send teddy bears to the middle east when they bomb us. Maybe if we bathe them with cuddly animals they will stop murdering innocent people....

Or maybe people like you should pull your heads out of your asses and recognize the worldwide crisis that we as human beings are facing. I'm so tired of people criticizing without any offer whatsoever of a solution. You act like these acts of terror weren't happening before 911... you're the same people who complain that the only reason people were suicide bombing in Israel is because of desperation.

WAKE THE FVCK UP PEOPLE.... there is an entire school of thought followed by tens of millions of people in the middle east. This school of thoughts allows for the bombing and killing of OUR CHILDREN... WAKE UP... we are at war.

-Max

Then get the F*ck over there and start killing the tens of millions of people over there. Oh that's right! You're another chickenhawk.

You don't know who I am or what I do... so just stop wasting your time trolling... if you have something of meaning to add to the conversation do so... otherwise shut da fvck up.

I know you're a fool.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: ShinGouki
I just hope this whole incident doesn't further alienate the large muslim community in London and across the rest of the UK. They have had to put up with enough flak since 9/11 due to ignorant people overe here who don't bother to take the time to get to know these people. Whatever your thoughts on the Koran, I have many muslim friends; plenty of whom would be considered devout and they are some of the most intelligent pacificistic people I know. I'm aware of the Quaran containing many refrences that can be interpreted in many ways by people looking to place blame. However like any religion it is open to intepretation and you'd be hard pressed to convince any of my muslim friends that killing innocents could ever be excused by the Quaran.

Seriously it really irks me how much muslims have to put up with in my country these days. They've suffered rascism ever since they got here, large numbers of them coming over after the second world war, many of them who fought for our country at that time, many of them invited here to help fill the huge labour shortages caused by the loss of life during that period. Now they are persecuted for their religion as well as the colour of their skin without any provocation, purely due to idiots like these murderes that caused todays incidents.

If people in the UK spent more time trying to make the average muslim feel welcome in our society and supported the moderate community, which from personal experience far outweighs the fundamentalists then maybe we could send a message to these people that you can plant bombs all you like but you won't change our belief systems and you won't change our day to day lives through your cowardly tactics. They would be marginalised by the very people they claim to stand for and would lose any kind of voice.

I'm not advocating some liberal lie down and take it stance, I'm merely pointing out that common responses to these events seem to be targetting a majority of one group based on the actions of an minority. This just gives strength to the fundamentalists cause and sends a message that they can change our way of life through terror.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant i just really want people in my country to stand up and not let this give further strength to those who want to make us a police state and push agendas that seggragate a country that benefits greatly from its multiculturalism.

:thumbsup:

(Other than the liberal lie down part. Liberals take the time to consider options rather than say, rush into an unnecessary war against the wrong nation. We're witnessing the results of the ill-conceived and even more ill-planned conservative reactionary stance in Iraq right now.)

 

[phillyTIM]

Originally posted by: 11thHour
More evidence that our war on terror is successful, as terrorists are instead killing people abroad and not in our homeland.

Oh, I guess that makes us better than everyone else. FVCK the rest of the world, we're safe. FVCK you Tony Blair - sucks to be you - but thanks for helping us out and footing the bill!

You bastard, 11thHour. You are exactly what gives Americans a bad name, and why the rest of the World always thinks they end up with America's S#IT, at the end of everything. Because they do, end up with it.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Forsythe
So you're basically just drawing a red lione from the fall of the ottoman empire to, today?
There've been fundies all over the world, and all through the time in every religion.
When you piss of people, you're gonna get burned. I might not agree on it, but for every act, there's a reaction. If you wan't to live with that, be my guest.

The fundies pissed us off numerous times. 9/11 was the final straw. Too bad for them and unfortunate for those in the ME who have to suffer because of the actions of their fringe idiots.

and for that matter has the US suffered for its fringe idiots who have been responsible for an irresponsible foreign policy for the last 40-50 years?

Exactly what I was thinking.

You and Chomsky.

But it's so simplistically shallow and myopically easy to lay the tiresome 'blame America first' guilt trip on without actually looking at the history of fundie and militant Islam and its spread around the world, particularly in places that the US has absolutely nothing to do with. Instead, that fact is just blown off and the lefty talking point 'America gets what she deserves for her bad behavior' is regurgitated and certain people act as if the only reason it exists in the first place is because of the US.

As far as London goes, imo this attack will pull the majorty of Brits together and make them just that much more determined to stamp out these vermin.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: MrPabulum

Originally posted by: BBond
According the the 9/11 Commission Report there were no ties between Saddam and terrorists.

I'm sure you can find someone to circumvent the facts on the matter. After all, your president did and continues to do so.

Sure, as far as 9/11 goes, Saddam didn't pull the trigger. That's not what we're talking about. Saddam harbored, protected and nourished those interested in launching terrorist attacks against the U.S. mainland and American interests abroad. It comes down to one assumption: is the reaction to 9/11 a law enforcement matter, or a military matter? I'm sure we'll always disagree about this.

But Dimkaumd is right. No point in bickering at this hour.

The 9/11 Commission Report found NO connection between Saddam and terrorists.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TWills

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Well - so much for Bush's sham 'war on terror'.

It's doing nothing but causing greater amounts of death on innocent civilians.

Well, I suppose you think that those terrorists would have just stayed home if we had not gone over there to kick their &&$ after 9-11.

Bush went to Iraq. There were no terrorists in Iraq. If he went over there to "kick their &&$ after 9-11" WHY THE F*** DID HE "GO TO" IRAQ WHEN THEY WERE AND STILL ARE ALL IN AFGHNAISTAN???

And why not Saudi Arabia where most of them came from?

Because the Saudis have very deep links in the american politics, control A LOT of the world oil markets and beeing an absolute monarchy are a somewhat stable commercial partner. Plus Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, so it is virtually inattackable without causing a global religion war...

So, it is justifiable to allow the apparent, biggest purpetrators of 9/11 free?

We go around raping regimes that have nothing to do with 9/11 or the 'war on terror', spending all our money & lives, and we're not even attacking the tangible, root cause?

How can you hypocrites live with yourselves as you justify this?!!

I've got news for you, the global, religous war is ON, and has been fought for almost 4 years now! In case you haven't noticed!

Hey hey wait. I never justified it. They asked me why, I answered the question. In fact my personal opinion is that the whole story is disgusting.. but international politics always is.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: MrPabulum

Originally posted by: BBond
According the the 9/11 Commission Report there were no ties between Saddam and terrorists.

I'm sure you can find someone to circumvent the facts on the matter. After all, your president did and continues to do so.

Sure, as far as 9/11 goes, Saddam didn't pull the trigger. That's not what we're talking about. Saddam harbored, protected and nourished those interested in launching terrorist attacks against the U.S. mainland and American interests abroad. It comes down to one assumption: is the reaction to 9/11 a law enforcement matter, or a military matter? I'm sure we'll always disagree about this.

But Dimkaumd is right. No point in bickering at this hour.

The 9/11 Commission Report found NO connection between Saddam and the 9/11 terrorists.

fixed...

Saddam had plenty of links to terrorists...

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: MrPabulum

Originally posted by: BBond
According the the 9/11 Commission Report there were no ties between Saddam and terrorists.

I'm sure you can find someone to circumvent the facts on the matter. After all, your president did and continues to do so.

Sure, as far as 9/11 goes, Saddam didn't pull the trigger. That's not what we're talking about. Saddam harbored, protected and nourished those interested in launching terrorist attacks against the U.S. mainland and American interests abroad. It comes down to one assumption: is the reaction to 9/11 a law enforcement matter, or a military matter? I'm sure we'll always disagree about this.

But Dimkaumd is right. No point in bickering at this hour.

The 9/11 Commission Report found NO connection between Saddam and the 9/11 terrorists.

fixed...

Saddam had plenty of links to terrorists...

You wear your ignorance on your sleeve.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: MrPabulum

Originally posted by: BBond
According the the 9/11 Commission Report there were no ties between Saddam and terrorists.

I'm sure you can find someone to circumvent the facts on the matter. After all, your president did and continues to do so.

Sure, as far as 9/11 goes, Saddam didn't pull the trigger. That's not what we're talking about. Saddam harbored, protected and nourished those interested in launching terrorist attacks against the U.S. mainland and American interests abroad. It comes down to one assumption: is the reaction to 9/11 a law enforcement matter, or a military matter? I'm sure we'll always disagree about this.

But Dimkaumd is right. No point in bickering at this hour.

The 9/11 Commission Report found NO connection between Saddam and the 9/11 terrorists.

fixed...

Saddam had absolutely NO links to terrorists...

Fixed it again for you. You just can't get it right. Maybe you should actually factcheck Rush Limbaugh before posting.

 

[phillyTIM]

I apologize, if I misinterpreted your position, Tango.

So do you think that we are fighting WW3, or working on WW4?

Regardless, this is a world war, and it is all about religion.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Tango



Because the Saudis have very deep links in the american politics, control A LOT of the world oil markets and beeing an absolute monarchy are a somewhat stable commercial partner. Plus Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, so it is virtually inattackable without causing a global religion war...

Then why Iraq?

Geopolitics. The US wanted a friendly or near-puppet country in the gulf region to be used as a "military safe-island" for years to come. Of course the fact that Iraq had energetic resources did play a role. But it wasn't the main reason for the war. In this administration minds Iraq should be a "foot-in-the-door" in the gulf area, capable of shifting the balance of power of that critical area.

So all of the charges of WMD and terrorist ties were made up to justify a "military safe-island" for years to come in Iraq. And Americans have no problem with this?

I wonder how all of the dead and mutilated Iraqi civilians feel about it.

As I said before, I absolutely don't justify anything. It disgusts me. Even more I find incredible how easy the public opinion is sculptured at will by these media, in a supposed-to-be very educated country. Most people think the US are in Iraq because Saddam was a dictator, or because it was behind 9/11. Even the ones who think the reason was Oil get such a small picture out of what happened. Basically everybody is arguing about a story that is in fact a tiny part of the whole story.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: MrPabulum

Originally posted by: BBond
According the the 9/11 Commission Report there were no ties between Saddam and terrorists.

I'm sure you can find someone to circumvent the facts on the matter. After all, your president did and continues to do so.

Sure, as far as 9/11 goes, Saddam didn't pull the trigger. That's not what we're talking about. Saddam harbored, protected and nourished those interested in launching terrorist attacks against the U.S. mainland and American interests abroad. It comes down to one assumption: is the reaction to 9/11 a law enforcement matter, or a military matter? I'm sure we'll always disagree about this.

But Dimkaumd is right. No point in bickering at this hour.

The 9/11 Commission Report found NO connection between Saddam and the 9/11 terrorists.

fixed...

Saddam had plenty of links to terrorists...

You wear your ignorance on your sleeve.

DO I really?... You know damn well at the very least Saddam was sending money to the families of suicide bombers in Israel... there are plenty of other terrorists who have found shelter in Iraq under the Hussein regime... was he directly connected to Al Queda or Osama Bin Laden? NO... was he connected to other terrorist organizations, and did he provide support for terrorists... yes he did.

-Max

 

[conjur]

Oh for the love of...

Originally posted by: Doboji
DO I really?... You know damn well at the very least Saddam was sending money to the families of suicide bombers in Israel

He offered money to the surviving members of a family who's husband/father killed himself as a suicide bomber. Where's the proof any money was actually sent?

there are plenty of other terrorists who have found shelter in Iraq under the Hussein regime

Ok, name ONE!

... was he directly connected to Al Queda or Osama Bin Laden? NO... was he connected to other terrorist organizations, and did he provide support for terrorists... yes he did.

Where's the beef?

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: MrPabulum

Originally posted by: BBond
According the the 9/11 Commission Report there were no ties between Saddam and terrorists.

I'm sure you can find someone to circumvent the facts on the matter. After all, your president did and continues to do so.

Sure, as far as 9/11 goes, Saddam didn't pull the trigger. That's not what we're talking about. Saddam harbored, protected and nourished those interested in launching terrorist attacks against the U.S. mainland and American interests abroad. It comes down to one assumption: is the reaction to 9/11 a law enforcement matter, or a military matter? I'm sure we'll always disagree about this.

But Dimkaumd is right. No point in bickering at this hour.

The 9/11 Commission Report found NO connection between Saddam and the 9/11 terrorists.

fixed...

Saddam had absolutely NO links to terrorists...

Fixed it again for you. You just can't get it right. Maybe you should actually factcheck Rush Limbaugh before posting.

Abu Nidal...

Lookit up asshat

 

[Czar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Czar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings

That was quick