whats going on in London???

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: Czar
newest unconfirmed number of dead is 42

Where are you getting this #? (just curious) CNN says 2.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: irwincur

Irwin, have you read the Bible too?

Yes, and it is no where near as violent as the Qu'ran.

Actually, if you remove the violence and pure hatred from the Qu'ran, you pretty much just have a re-written Bible.

The violence in both is astounding as well as the violence done in the name of Christianity and Islam. Don't feed the hatred. I am fairly confident that there are Muslims in the Middle East right about now who feel the very same way about Christians from the U.S.A. invading their region and occupying nations.

Do you think they are saying that we are killing them and destroying their cities because we're Christians?

It is not a friendly religions by any means, nor does it really advocate joining the modern world. As long as there are traditionalists, there will be problems...

What about the Torah? Have you read that? Should we "change" Judaism because their traditionalists don't want to join the modern world?

 

[irwincur]

You're a goddamned idiot if you think this would not be the case if the christians were living in the middle east.

What are you talking about?

Christianity has for the most part been able to rationally reign in the traditionalists and extremists in its ranks. Yes, there is an outlier every now and then, but the church did go through pains to directly attack this problem. This occured a few decades ago, and it has been working.

Islam could be as flexible, but no one wants to change it at all. Here is the problem. As the world advances, the Middle East (and Africa) will be left behind, not because they do not have the resources, but because their traditionalist religion is indeed holding them back. The ME has sat on vasts amounts of wealth, enough to make every man, woman, and child filthy rich - yet it all sits in the hands of their leadership - and in their religious leadership.

I suspect that if there were Christians in the ME, the world would be a different place. As a matter of fact, there are plenty of them, and surprisingly, even though they are an abused minority, we never see them act like barbarians.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: Czar
newest unconfirmed number of dead is 42

Where are you getting this #? (just curious) CNN says 2.

sky news
first they said the source was from the US, then they said the source was very reliable, hard to say

edt.

45 is the number

7 from the bus blast

 

[conjur]

BBC Radio 5 reporting over fifty dead in Aldgate East station

 

[zendari]

Very sad.

 

[Czar]

25 at kings cross
9 edge
7 all gate
2 russel square

1000 injured

just from sky, expect official numbers within the next 30 minutes

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Czar
newest unconfirmed number of dead is 42

:Q

OMG; what a cool number. But where did you hear it? I just saw the news and the speaker interrupted and said they just got the toll.

 

[irwincur]

What about the Torah? Have you read that? Should we "change" Judaism because their traditionalists don't want to join the modern world?

No, have not read it. But from what I gather, it is pretty much just a mix of the other two. I would say that the staunch nature of Judaism could be percieved as an issue, especially when intertwined with an equally staunch Islam.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.conjur.com/blog/2005/07/07/terror-attack-on-londons-underground/

It appears that up to seven Underground (London's subway system) stops were targeted. Casualties galore (at least 90 reported at one station alone with two fatalities reported). This is all very preliminary but it's obviously an orchestrated attack. Some of the stops included Liverpool, Aldgate, and Kings Cross. There are reports of people still trapped in the Tube and the national morning news shows keep showing looped footage of survivors receiving assistance.

Footage has also been shown of the top of one of London's famous double-decker buses having been destroyed by an explosion.

Now, whether the attack was timed to coincide with the opening of the G8 today or whether Paris, London, Madrid, NYC, etc. were going to be hit one day after the announcement of the location of the 2012 Olympics is also unclear.

What is clear, though, is that the fvcking BS rhetoric from this admin that "America and the world are safer" is now completely and utterly without basis. Attacks like this will continue no matter what countries are invaded and no matter what sanctions are imposed upon others. There will always be a fringe element seeking to cause death and destruction.

Better security at home at ports, chemical plants, transportation hubs, trucking industry, etc. is what we need, not more bombs and bullets.

Here's an early report from CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html

This very easily could have been in New York. America IS safer.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: irwincur

You're a goddamned idiot if you think this would not be the case if the christians were living in the middle east.

What are you talking about?

Christianity has for the most part been able to rationally reign in the traditionalists and extremists in its ranks. Yes, there is an outlier every now and then, but the church did go through pains to directly attack this problem. This occured a few decades ago, and it has been working.

A few decades ago???

It occured again on January 20, 2001.

 

[irwincur]

OMG; what a cool number.

What exactly do you mean by this?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: irwincur

You're a goddamned idiot if you think this would not be the case if the christians were living in the middle east.

What are you talking about?

Christianity has for the most part been able to rationally reign in the traditionalists and extremists in its ranks. Yes, there is an outlier every now and then, but the church did go through pains to directly attack this problem. This occured a few decades ago, and it has been working.

Islam could be as flexible, but no one wants to change it at all. Here is the problem. As the world advances, the Middle East (and Africa) will be left behind, not because they do not have the resources, but because their traditionalist religion is indeed holding them back. The ME has sat on vasts amounts of wealth, enough to make every man, woman, and child filthy rich - yet it all sits in the hands of their leadership - and in their religious leadership.

I suspect that if there were Christians in the ME, the world would be a different place. As a matter of fact, there are plenty of them, and surprisingly, even though they are an abused minority, we never see them act like barbarians.

How about the burning of witches? How about crusades? How about the massive amount of murders the chrusch, if not ordered then condoned?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.conjur.com/blog/2005/07/07/terror-attack-on-londons-underground/

It appears that up to seven Underground (London's subway system) stops were targeted. Casualties galore (at least 90 reported at one station alone with two fatalities reported). This is all very preliminary but it's obviously an orchestrated attack. Some of the stops included Liverpool, Aldgate, and Kings Cross. There are reports of people still trapped in the Tube and the national morning news shows keep showing looped footage of survivors receiving assistance.

Footage has also been shown of the top of one of London's famous double-decker buses having been destroyed by an explosion.

Now, whether the attack was timed to coincide with the opening of the G8 today or whether Paris, London, Madrid, NYC, etc. were going to be hit one day after the announcement of the location of the 2012 Olympics is also unclear.

What is clear, though, is that the fvcking BS rhetoric from this admin that "America and the world are safer" is now completely and utterly without basis. Attacks like this will continue no matter what countries are invaded and no matter what sanctions are imposed upon others. There will always be a fringe element seeking to cause death and destruction.

Better security at home at ports, chemical plants, transportation hubs, trucking industry, etc. is what we need, not more bombs and bullets.

Here's an early report from CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html

This very easily could have been in New York. America IS safer.

Wow. You don't even realize how idiotic that statement is.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: irwincur

OMG; what a cool number.

What exactly do you mean by this?

hitchikers guide

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: irwincur

OMG; what a cool number.

What exactly do you mean by this?

HHGG.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.conjur.com/blog/2005/07/07/terror-attack-on-londons-underground/

It appears that up to seven Underground (London's subway system) stops were targeted. Casualties galore (at least 90 reported at one station alone with two fatalities reported). This is all very preliminary but it's obviously an orchestrated attack. Some of the stops included Liverpool, Aldgate, and Kings Cross. There are reports of people still trapped in the Tube and the national morning news shows keep showing looped footage of survivors receiving assistance.

Footage has also been shown of the top of one of London's famous double-decker buses having been destroyed by an explosion.

Now, whether the attack was timed to coincide with the opening of the G8 today or whether Paris, London, Madrid, NYC, etc. were going to be hit one day after the announcement of the location of the 2012 Olympics is also unclear.

What is clear, though, is that the fvcking BS rhetoric from this admin that "America and the world are safer" is now completely and utterly without basis. Attacks like this will continue no matter what countries are invaded and no matter what sanctions are imposed upon others. There will always be a fringe element seeking to cause death and destruction.

Better security at home at ports, chemical plants, transportation hubs, trucking industry, etc. is what we need, not more bombs and bullets.

Here's an early report from CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html

This very easily could have been in New York. America IS safer.

We'll never be "safer," as long as we retain our rights and freedoms. They will strike the US again, in due time.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: irwincur

OMG; what a cool number.

What exactly do you mean by this?

I think he was referring to "42"...Douglas Adams? Hitchiker's Guide?

Still...a misplaced emotion in this thread.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: zendari



This very easily could have been in New York. America IS safer.

And Blue Bonnet is half the price of the high priced spread.

 

[irwincur]

A few decades ago???

I was referring to the purposeful meetings at the Vatican to discuss and come to grips with the modernists and traditionalists in the Church, and to come to compromise. Their intentions were to advance the Church into the modern world while still maintaining a clear vision of what the Chruch stood for.

Islam could really use something like this. It would help to alleviate some of the internal issues that are causing problems. Like the ability for any Imam, andywhere in the world to start any Jihad that he sees fit. There is no central control.

 

[irwincur]

Still...a misplaced emotion in this thread.

Indeed.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: zendari



This very easily could have been in New York. America IS safer.

And Blue Bonnet is half the price of the high priced spread.

Perhaps other countries can use this as an initiative that the war on terror is truly a global war, not an american one, with global consequences, and take the steps that the US has done to prevent terrorism.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: irwincur

OMG; what a cool number.

What exactly do you mean by this?

I think he was referring to "42"...Douglas Adams? Hitchiker's Guide?

Still...a misplaced emotion in this thread.

I see what you mean. But in a world were alone 30.00 chrildren die every day, just from starvation. And millions die every year from aids.
You expect me to care about 100 or even 10.000 deaths?
[i keep forgetting zero's ]

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: irwincur

OMG; what a cool number.

What exactly do you mean by this?

I think he was referring to "42"...Douglas Adams? Hitchiker's Guide?

Still...a misplaced emotion in this thread.

I see what you mean. But in a world were alone 30.00 chrildren die every day, just from starvation. And millions die every year from aids.
You expect me to care about 100 or even 10.000 deaths?
[i keep forgetting zero's ]

Every life is priceless. And, when a life is snuffed so unexpectedly like this, it hits the world harder. Perhaps that's a sad indictment as to how we've become desensitized to the starvation and oppression in many other parts of the world.

 

[Dimkaumd]

im hearing over 40 dead 300 wounded?