What you can't see on CNN
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Israel should also be on the axis of evil list, and that is not the first time I have said that on this message board.
Looks like he is already dead in that strip search picture. So they might have stripped him after he was killed.
Let's not forget about the other stuff we can't see on cnn...
from nytimes
The News We Kept to Ourselves
By EASON JORDAN
TLANTA ? Over the last dozen years I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the government to keep CNN's Baghdad bureau open and to arrange interviews with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard ? awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff.
For example, in the mid-1990's one of our Iraqi cameramen was abducted. For weeks he was beaten and subjected to electroshock torture in the basement of a secret police headquarters because he refused to confirm the government's ludicrous suspicion that I was the Central Intelligence Agency's Iraq station chief. CNN had been in Baghdad long enough to know that telling the world about the torture of one of its employees would almost certainly have gotten him killed and put his family and co-workers at grave risk.
Working for a foreign news organization provided Iraqi citizens no protection. The secret police terrorized Iraqis working for international press services who were courageous enough to try to provide accurate reporting. Some vanished, never to be heard from again. Others disappeared and then surfaced later with whispered tales of being hauled off and tortured in unimaginable ways. Obviously, other news organizations were in the same bind we were when it came to reporting on their own workers.
We also had to worry that our reporting might endanger Iraqis not on our payroll. I knew that CNN could not report that Saddam Hussein's eldest son, Uday, told me in 1995 that he intended to assassinate two of his brothers-in-law who had defected and also the man giving them asylum, King Hussein of Jordan. If we had gone with the story, I was sure he would have responded by killing the Iraqi translator who was the only other participant in the meeting. After all, secret police thugs brutalized even senior officials of the Information Ministry, just to keep them in line (one such official has long been missing all his fingernails).
Still, I felt I had a moral obligation to warn Jordan's monarch, and I did so the next day. King Hussein dismissed the threat as a madman's rant. A few months later Uday lured the brothers-in-law back to Baghdad; they were soon killed.
I came to know several Iraqi officials well enough that they confided in me that Saddam Hussein was a maniac who had to be removed. One Foreign Ministry officer told me of a colleague who, finding out his brother had been executed by the regime, was forced, as a test of loyalty, to write a letter of congratulations on the act to Saddam Hussein. An aide to Uday once told me why he had no front teeth: henchmen had ripped them out with pliers and told him never to wear dentures, so he would always remember the price to be paid for upsetting his boss. Again, we could not broadcast anything these men said to us.
Last December, when I told Information Minister Muhammad Said al-Sahhaf that we intended to send reporters to Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq, he warned me they would "suffer the severest possible consequences." CNN went ahead, and in March, Kurdish officials presented us with evidence that they had thwarted an armed attack on our quarters in Erbil. This included videotaped confessions of two men identifying themselves as Iraqi intelligence agents who said their bosses in Baghdad told them the hotel actually housed C.I.A. and Israeli agents. The Kurds offered to let us interview the suspects on camera, but we refused, for fear of endangering our staff in Baghdad.
Then there were the events that were not unreported but that nonetheless still haunt me. A 31-year-old Kuwaiti woman, Asrar Qabandi, was captured by Iraqi secret police occupying her country in 1990 for "crimes," one of which included speaking with CNN on the phone. They beat her daily for two months, forcing her father to watch. In January 1991, on the eve of the American-led offensive, they smashed her skull and tore her body apart limb by limb. A plastic bag containing her body parts was left on the doorstep of her family's home.
I felt awful having these stories bottled up inside me. Now that Saddam Hussein's regime is gone, I suspect we will hear many, many more gut-wrenching tales from Iraqis about the decades of torment. At last, these stories can be told freely.
Eason Jordan is chief news executive at CNN.
from nytimes
The News We Kept to Ourselves
By EASON JORDAN
TLANTA ? Over the last dozen years I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the government to keep CNN's Baghdad bureau open and to arrange interviews with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard ? awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff.
For example, in the mid-1990's one of our Iraqi cameramen was abducted. For weeks he was beaten and subjected to electroshock torture in the basement of a secret police headquarters because he refused to confirm the government's ludicrous suspicion that I was the Central Intelligence Agency's Iraq station chief. CNN had been in Baghdad long enough to know that telling the world about the torture of one of its employees would almost certainly have gotten him killed and put his family and co-workers at grave risk.
Working for a foreign news organization provided Iraqi citizens no protection. The secret police terrorized Iraqis working for international press services who were courageous enough to try to provide accurate reporting. Some vanished, never to be heard from again. Others disappeared and then surfaced later with whispered tales of being hauled off and tortured in unimaginable ways. Obviously, other news organizations were in the same bind we were when it came to reporting on their own workers.
We also had to worry that our reporting might endanger Iraqis not on our payroll. I knew that CNN could not report that Saddam Hussein's eldest son, Uday, told me in 1995 that he intended to assassinate two of his brothers-in-law who had defected and also the man giving them asylum, King Hussein of Jordan. If we had gone with the story, I was sure he would have responded by killing the Iraqi translator who was the only other participant in the meeting. After all, secret police thugs brutalized even senior officials of the Information Ministry, just to keep them in line (one such official has long been missing all his fingernails).
Still, I felt I had a moral obligation to warn Jordan's monarch, and I did so the next day. King Hussein dismissed the threat as a madman's rant. A few months later Uday lured the brothers-in-law back to Baghdad; they were soon killed.
I came to know several Iraqi officials well enough that they confided in me that Saddam Hussein was a maniac who had to be removed. One Foreign Ministry officer told me of a colleague who, finding out his brother had been executed by the regime, was forced, as a test of loyalty, to write a letter of congratulations on the act to Saddam Hussein. An aide to Uday once told me why he had no front teeth: henchmen had ripped them out with pliers and told him never to wear dentures, so he would always remember the price to be paid for upsetting his boss. Again, we could not broadcast anything these men said to us.
Last December, when I told Information Minister Muhammad Said al-Sahhaf that we intended to send reporters to Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq, he warned me they would "suffer the severest possible consequences." CNN went ahead, and in March, Kurdish officials presented us with evidence that they had thwarted an armed attack on our quarters in Erbil. This included videotaped confessions of two men identifying themselves as Iraqi intelligence agents who said their bosses in Baghdad told them the hotel actually housed C.I.A. and Israeli agents. The Kurds offered to let us interview the suspects on camera, but we refused, for fear of endangering our staff in Baghdad.
Then there were the events that were not unreported but that nonetheless still haunt me. A 31-year-old Kuwaiti woman, Asrar Qabandi, was captured by Iraqi secret police occupying her country in 1990 for "crimes," one of which included speaking with CNN on the phone. They beat her daily for two months, forcing her father to watch. In January 1991, on the eve of the American-led offensive, they smashed her skull and tore her body apart limb by limb. A plastic bag containing her body parts was left on the doorstep of her family's home.
I felt awful having these stories bottled up inside me. Now that Saddam Hussein's regime is gone, I suspect we will hear many, many more gut-wrenching tales from Iraqis about the decades of torment. At last, these stories can be told freely.
Eason Jordan is chief news executive at CNN.
I think it's pretty hard to draw any conclusions from those pictures. What's the point of posting this anyhow? Are you trying to equate Israel?s professionally trained army with homicidal, Islamic fundamentalists?
Besides, do you see the mangled bodies of innocent Israeli children strewn over the highway after terrorist attack? Some things aren't considered appropriate. I'm not sure what your beef is.
Besides, do you see the mangled bodies of innocent Israeli children strewn over the highway after terrorist attack? Some things aren't considered appropriate. I'm not sure what your beef is.
and in my opinion, if the U.S. hadn't provided support to Israel since wwII, the palestinians would have slaughtered all jews living there a long long time ago....it seems like a lot of people don't understand that... even more interesting when considering Germany (the reason for Israel) does nothing to help..
i have a feeling ndee was the guy in that anti-war rally video with the sign "we are all palestinians"
when a palestinian youth (just like the one in that picture) straps on a bomb and blows up women and children eating pizza for lunch or riding to school on a bus, he is called a hero and his family is given money. Until that ends, the pro-palestinian camp doesn't have much of a leg to stand on regarding human rights abuses.
when a palestinian youth (just like the one in that picture) straps on a bomb and blows up women and children eating pizza for lunch or riding to school on a bus, he is called a hero and his family is given money. Until that ends, the pro-palestinian camp doesn't have much of a leg to stand on regarding human rights abuses.
is there ANY PROOF on that picture that it's ISREALI who did it? for all we know this could be on any nation, not neccesariy in Middle East. If you say that the rifle on the soldiers are M-16s and thus are ISREALI, then you've mistaken. ALOT of other nations uses M-16 and M-4 varaiants. For example, Columbian authority uses M-16 & M-4 supplied by US to fight the FARC rebels. I think the pic is just some Anti-Semitist trying to spew hatred toward Isreal and Jews. Don't forget, it was the Arabs who tried numerous time kick out the Isrealis, not the other way around. (6 Day War? Yum Kaur? not to mention the constant terrorist attacks)
Btw, after this conflict, the tip in the power balance in the region may aid in the Isreali-Palestenian conflict. Even Sheron have said he's willing to concede some land to the Palenstenians as long as they stop the suicide bombings.
Btw, after this conflict, the tip in the power balance in the region may aid in the Isreali-Palestenian conflict. Even Sheron have said he's willing to concede some land to the Palenstenians as long as they stop the suicide bombings.
You've never met one of their soldiers have you? US has helped supply them with things but their military is damn tough. Ever hear of the 6 day war? This may have been true following WWII, but in recent history they can hold their own. Many of the Arab nations around Israel are scared to death of them. *Cough*Syria*Cough*
I just asked you about your opinion about that pic.
Stark: I find both parties pretty stupid(both are too extreme, Israel and the Hamas too) BUT I'm also tired of all that whining of the jews in Israel. Give the Palestinans some land and end that stupid war.
Stark: I find both parties pretty stupid(both are too extreme, Israel and the Hamas too) BUT I'm also tired of all that whining of the jews in Israel. Give the Palestinans some land and end that stupid war.
How can you compare Israel to Hamas? Yes, Israel reactions to terrorists may be extreme, but they are necessary. It is the same logic that we used to end the rule of the Taliban and Saddam. If you get rid of the terrorists, terrorism would stop. Until Palestinian society stops supporting terrorism they will never be granted autonomy over their own land. To do so, would be to condemn countless Israeli citizens to death. It's a shame you don't understand this.
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I don't support posting this gruesom pic but after seeing how much of the world HATES us just because we support Israel makes me wish that we didn't support them at all. I think alot of countries do not distinguish the US from Israel they hate us equally and that suxs. We need to stop sending the 1 billion dollar aid packages to them until Sharon actually does something and stops flapping his hardline lips. I think the US will continue to be a target by terrorists until we change our view on the middle east. I doubt we will change anytime soon. 
If you think taking necessary actions to prevent the slaughter of innocent civilians equates to blowing up buses, then you are clearly beyond help. I guess it's easy being from a country that has never had to take sides.
Perhaps you guys are subconsciously trying to vilify the Israeli's to make up for the fact that you were complicit with old Hitler himself by stealing much of the European Jews wealth? It's the only thing I can come up with to explain your demented point of view.
DBL: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I see, Hitler-comparisons, sorry, you lost. WHAT THE CRAP ARE THE ISRAELIS DOING WITH THE PALESTINIANS? Forget it, you're not worth my time. Guess who did business with the Nazis too? huh? The Americans, so go ***************.
It's not only about that war. My kid gets injured per accident by another kid and has to be blind for the rest of his live. What would you do? Go and make that other kid also blind?
********, you're just not worth my time.
It's not only about that war. My kid gets injured per accident by another kid and has to be blind for the rest of his live. What would you do? Go and make that other kid also blind?
********, you're just not worth my time.
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