Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
I say wait till you are doing about 15-20mph while he is tailgating you and just slam on your breaks. Just tell the cops you saw a squirrel run acrossed the road so you hit the breaks. He will get the ticket and insurance hits. Only way to teach some people![]()
my dad did that one time in his toyota truck. some punk kids were pissed that he passed them on the freeway and started tailgating him. when he ignored that they came up next to him and swerved into him a few times. im surprised at his restraint at this point, since hes a biker that carries a 45 and a ccw. hell, he pulled it on his neighbor over a stupid noise argument one time, and he liked that guy. these kids didnt stop, got back behind him and started the tailgate thing again, to which he slammed the brakes (not the breaks) on. they rear ended him and totaled both vehicles. the kids tried to tell the cops he did it on purpose, but my dad told the cops that he was so preoccupied with their threats and aggressive actions that he didnt realize traffic was slowing faster than he thought. there were a few witnesses to the kids stupidity so he won. got a new truck out of it too lol. i dont condone it, but damn ive always wanted to do that.
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Trying to lose him could endanger yourself, or others. I personally don't endorse it. I agree with pulling over, hoping that he would just drive on. The only thing I would add is that I would have dialed 911 to get help on the way. At the point that he went to his trunk I would have most likely drawn my sidearm and taken a defensive position. If he advanced, I'd drop him. If he stayed put, dropped the weapon, or left, I would have just waited for police - making sure to have his description, license plate, etc.
You really would fire in this situation? A little road rage, you pull over to the side of the road and when he exits the vehicle and walks to the rear you get out of your car and pull your gun instead of driving away? What do they teach you in CCDW classes these days?
arizona is one of those states. he didnt have to have a reason, but the cops do take traffic situations to determine if it was road rage or not. if they could prove he had no reason to slam on the brakes they could assign a % of guilt on him as well. ive been told many times that regardless of the situation, each driver is 5% responsible for the accident merely by choosing to drive that day. and i havent done the same thing yet for the same reasons, i generally always have my kids in my truck.Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
I say wait till you are doing about 15-20mph while he is tailgating you and just slam on your breaks. Just tell the cops you saw a squirrel run acrossed the road so you hit the breaks. He will get the ticket and insurance hits. Only way to teach some people![]()
my dad did that one time in his toyota truck. some punk kids were pissed that he passed them on the freeway and started tailgating him. when he ignored that they came up next to him and swerved into him a few times. im surprised at his restraint at this point, since hes a biker that carries a 45 and a ccw. hell, he pulled it on his neighbor over a stupid noise argument one time, and he liked that guy. these kids didnt stop, got back behind him and started the tailgate thing again, to which he slammed the brakes (not the breaks) on. they rear ended him and totaled both vehicles. the kids tried to tell the cops he did it on purpose, but my dad told the cops that he was so preoccupied with their threats and aggressive actions that he didnt realize traffic was slowing faster than he thought. there were a few witnesses to the kids stupidity so he won. got a new truck out of it too lol. i dont condone it, but damn ive always wanted to do that.
Many states it doesn't matter why the driver in front of you stops, it's all on you to make sure you are following at such a safe distance that even if they do like your dad and slam the brakes on then you should still be able to stop.
I have always wanted to do that too but normally someone is in the car with me and I don't want anyone else to get hurt.
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Trying to lose him could endanger yourself, or others. I personally don't endorse it. I agree with pulling over, hoping that he would just drive on. The only thing I would add is that I would have dialed 911 to get help on the way. At the point that he went to his trunk I would have most likely drawn my sidearm and taken a defensive position. If he advanced, I'd drop him. If he stayed put, dropped the weapon, or left, I would have just waited for police - making sure to have his description, license plate, etc.
You really would fire in this situation? A little road rage, you pull over to the side of the road and when he exits the vehicle and walks to the rear you get out of your car and pull your gun instead of driving away? What do they teach you in CCDW classes these days?
Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: thepd7
Many states it doesn't matter why the driver in front of you stops, it's all on you to make sure you are following at such a safe distance that even if they do like your dad and slam the brakes on then you should still be able to stop.
I have always wanted to do that too but normally someone is in the car with me and I don't want anyone else to get hurt.
You know, I always feel a bit nervous when some guy literally just keeps coming up and up further and it gets to the point where I can't even see his headlights in my rear view mirror... what the hell are they thinking?
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
I say wait till you are doing about 15-20mph while he is tailgating you and just slam on your breaks. Just tell the cops you saw a squirrel run acrossed the road so you hit the breaks. He will get the ticket and insurance hits. Only way to teach some people![]()
my dad did that one time in his toyota truck. some punk kids were pissed that he passed them on the freeway and started tailgating him. when he ignored that they came up next to him and swerved into him a few times. im surprised at his restraint at this point, since hes a biker that carries a 45 and a ccw. hell, he pulled it on his neighbor over a stupid noise argument one time, and he liked that guy. these kids didnt stop, got back behind him and started the tailgate thing again, to which he slammed the brakes (not the breaks) on. they rear ended him and totaled both vehicles. the kids tried to tell the cops he did it on purpose, but my dad told the cops that he was so preoccupied with their threats and aggressive actions that he didnt realize traffic was slowing faster than he thought. there were a few witnesses to the kids stupidity so he won. got a new truck out of it too lol. i dont condone it, but damn ive always wanted to do that.
Your dad pulled on a gun on someone over a noisy neighbor? WTF. I support people having the right to own guns, I just don't feel safe with it. To many fucking whacko's like your dad out there.
lolz....Originally posted by: mundane
We need a crudely drawn MS Paint diagram, stat!
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Trying to lose him could endanger yourself, or others. I personally don't endorse it. I agree with pulling over, hoping that he would just drive on. The only thing I would add is that I would have dialed 911 to get help on the way. At the point that he went to his trunk I would have most likely drawn my sidearm and taken a defensive position. If he advanced, I'd drop him. If he stayed put, dropped the weapon, or left, I would have just waited for police - making sure to have his description, license plate, etc.
You really would fire in this situation? A little road rage, you pull over to the side of the road and when he exits the vehicle and walks to the rear you get out of your car and pull your gun instead of driving away? What do they teach you in CCDW classes these days?
Here's the problem:
If I'm nervous, in a hurry, etc I could make an error which causes an accident. If I drive off I could make him more angry. If he pursues me, even more angry now, there's no telling what could happen...an accident, he might have a gun of his own, etc.
By staying put and controlling the situation I guarantee the least possible collateral damage. Better to choose your spot and defend than run blindly into unknown conditions.
Now, if the situation was slightly different I might respond differently. If the other driver was not aggressive enough to cause an accident (ie just following at a distance, honking and flashing, etc) then I might very well drive to a police station (if one existed close enough and I knew where it was). If it was a completely desolate area maybe I'd risk evasive driving hoping to lose him. But I'd have to feel certain that I wasn't endangering anyone else with such actions before I took them.
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: thepd7
Try again. Lethal force is authorized in this situation if he is advancing, same as if he came with a knife.
I believe some states still require you to flee if you can reasonably do so. You being inside of a car and the attacker being on foot with a golf club.... its pretty darn reasonable that you would be safer driving off rather then confronting him with a weapon. I sure as hell wouldn't want to go in front of a jury with that one.
Not to mention the legal cost, loss of time, loss of my gun (at least temporarily) etc... The alternative is absurdly better.
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Trying to lose him could endanger yourself, or others. I personally don't endorse it. I agree with pulling over, hoping that he would just drive on. The only thing I would add is that I would have dialed 911 to get help on the way. At the point that he went to his trunk I would have most likely drawn my sidearm and taken a defensive position. If he advanced, I'd drop him. If he stayed put, dropped the weapon, or left, I would have just waited for police - making sure to have his description, license plate, etc.
You really would fire in this situation? A little road rage, you pull over to the side of the road and when he exits the vehicle and walks to the rear you get out of your car and pull your gun instead of driving away? What do they teach you in CCDW classes these days?
Originally posted by: mooseracing
Originally posted by: Darwin333
LOL
Sure thing Rambo.
speak for yourself, i've been "detained" multiple times for calling out idiots that think they are on top of the world. And I don't hesitate to help someone else out if they are in need.
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
and all of that macho crap is necessary why?
crap my ass. People need to learn they aren't in control or get away with everything, , otherwise the U.S. will continue to go down hill. The police would have done nothing but a slap on the wrist.
It's like all the idiots that know the lane is ending but wait until the last 50ft, I will sacrifice my car/truck to teach your dumbass a lesson. And I will let you know what the law is on it as well, seems how it is illegal yet the cops don't do anything. I'm not going to sit down and watch it happen day after day.
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
you should put on a mask and a cape while you're at it...
Originally posted by: mooseracing
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
you should put on a mask and a cape while you're at it...
Whatever, If I don't like something I'm not going to sit on my ass and bitch about it. I'm going to at least try and remedy the situation.
Originally posted by: Baked
You should've pulled your AR15 from under your seat and waved it at him.