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Lifer
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I'd have pulled over like you did, and then when he got out of the car and approached my car I'd have driven off. Easy to lose him when he's not in his car. :p
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
I say wait till you are doing about 15-20mph while he is tailgating you and just slam on your breaks. Just tell the cops you saw a squirrel run acrossed the road so you hit the breaks. He will get the ticket and insurance hits. Only way to teach some people :)

my dad did that one time in his toyota truck. some punk kids were pissed that he passed them on the freeway and started tailgating him. when he ignored that they came up next to him and swerved into him a few times. im surprised at his restraint at this point, since hes a biker that carries a 45 and a ccw. hell, he pulled it on his neighbor over a stupid noise argument one time, and he liked that guy. these kids didnt stop, got back behind him and started the tailgate thing again, to which he slammed the brakes (not the breaks) on. they rear ended him and totaled both vehicles. the kids tried to tell the cops he did it on purpose, but my dad told the cops that he was so preoccupied with their threats and aggressive actions that he didnt realize traffic was slowing faster than he thought. there were a few witnesses to the kids stupidity so he won. got a new truck out of it too lol. i dont condone it, but damn ive always wanted to do that.



Your dad pulled on a gun on someone over a noisy neighbor? WTF. I support people having the right to own guns, I just don't feel safe with it. To many fucking whacko's like your dad out there.


 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Trying to lose him could endanger yourself, or others. I personally don't endorse it. I agree with pulling over, hoping that he would just drive on. The only thing I would add is that I would have dialed 911 to get help on the way. At the point that he went to his trunk I would have most likely drawn my sidearm and taken a defensive position. If he advanced, I'd drop him. If he stayed put, dropped the weapon, or left, I would have just waited for police - making sure to have his description, license plate, etc.

You really would fire in this situation? A little road rage, you pull over to the side of the road and when he exits the vehicle and walks to the rear you get out of your car and pull your gun instead of driving away? What do they teach you in CCDW classes these days?

Don't mess with a mall ninja.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
I say wait till you are doing about 15-20mph while he is tailgating you and just slam on your breaks. Just tell the cops you saw a squirrel run acrossed the road so you hit the breaks. He will get the ticket and insurance hits. Only way to teach some people :)

my dad did that one time in his toyota truck. some punk kids were pissed that he passed them on the freeway and started tailgating him. when he ignored that they came up next to him and swerved into him a few times. im surprised at his restraint at this point, since hes a biker that carries a 45 and a ccw. hell, he pulled it on his neighbor over a stupid noise argument one time, and he liked that guy. these kids didnt stop, got back behind him and started the tailgate thing again, to which he slammed the brakes (not the breaks) on. they rear ended him and totaled both vehicles. the kids tried to tell the cops he did it on purpose, but my dad told the cops that he was so preoccupied with their threats and aggressive actions that he didnt realize traffic was slowing faster than he thought. there were a few witnesses to the kids stupidity so he won. got a new truck out of it too lol. i dont condone it, but damn ive always wanted to do that.

Many states it doesn't matter why the driver in front of you stops, it's all on you to make sure you are following at such a safe distance that even if they do like your dad and slam the brakes on then you should still be able to stop.

I have always wanted to do that too but normally someone is in the car with me and I don't want anyone else to get hurt.
arizona is one of those states. he didnt have to have a reason, but the cops do take traffic situations to determine if it was road rage or not. if they could prove he had no reason to slam on the brakes they could assign a % of guilt on him as well. ive been told many times that regardless of the situation, each driver is 5% responsible for the accident merely by choosing to drive that day. and i havent done the same thing yet for the same reasons, i generally always have my kids in my truck.
 
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Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Trying to lose him could endanger yourself, or others. I personally don't endorse it. I agree with pulling over, hoping that he would just drive on. The only thing I would add is that I would have dialed 911 to get help on the way. At the point that he went to his trunk I would have most likely drawn my sidearm and taken a defensive position. If he advanced, I'd drop him. If he stayed put, dropped the weapon, or left, I would have just waited for police - making sure to have his description, license plate, etc.

You really would fire in this situation? A little road rage, you pull over to the side of the road and when he exits the vehicle and walks to the rear you get out of your car and pull your gun instead of driving away? What do they teach you in CCDW classes these days?

Here's the problem:

If I'm nervous, in a hurry, etc I could make an error which causes an accident. If I drive off I could make him more angry. If he pursues me, even more angry now, there's no telling what could happen...an accident, he might have a gun of his own, etc.

By staying put and controlling the situation I guarantee the least possible collateral damage. Better to choose your spot and defend than run blindly into unknown conditions.

Now, if the situation was slightly different I might respond differently. If the other driver was not aggressive enough to cause an accident (ie just following at a distance, honking and flashing, etc) then I might very well drive to a police station (if one existed close enough and I knew where it was). If it was a completely desolate area maybe I'd risk evasive driving hoping to lose him. But I'd have to feel certain that I wasn't endangering anyone else with such actions before I took them.
 

jjones

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If it were just me in the car, when he began tailgating I would have made sure I was buckled up securely and dumped the clutch in first or second gear, depending on current speed.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: thepd7
Many states it doesn't matter why the driver in front of you stops, it's all on you to make sure you are following at such a safe distance that even if they do like your dad and slam the brakes on then you should still be able to stop.

I have always wanted to do that too but normally someone is in the car with me and I don't want anyone else to get hurt.

You know, I always feel a bit nervous when some guy literally just keeps coming up and up further and it gets to the point where I can't even see his headlights in my rear view mirror... what the hell are they thinking?

they are thinking youll either speed up or get nervous and change lanes so they can go past you. usually instead of getting pissed or something ill slow down gradually until they are doing about 10 under the flow of traffic. they find a way around you very quickly.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
I say wait till you are doing about 15-20mph while he is tailgating you and just slam on your breaks. Just tell the cops you saw a squirrel run acrossed the road so you hit the breaks. He will get the ticket and insurance hits. Only way to teach some people :)

my dad did that one time in his toyota truck. some punk kids were pissed that he passed them on the freeway and started tailgating him. when he ignored that they came up next to him and swerved into him a few times. im surprised at his restraint at this point, since hes a biker that carries a 45 and a ccw. hell, he pulled it on his neighbor over a stupid noise argument one time, and he liked that guy. these kids didnt stop, got back behind him and started the tailgate thing again, to which he slammed the brakes (not the breaks) on. they rear ended him and totaled both vehicles. the kids tried to tell the cops he did it on purpose, but my dad told the cops that he was so preoccupied with their threats and aggressive actions that he didnt realize traffic was slowing faster than he thought. there were a few witnesses to the kids stupidity so he won. got a new truck out of it too lol. i dont condone it, but damn ive always wanted to do that.



Your dad pulled on a gun on someone over a noisy neighbor? WTF. I support people having the right to own guns, I just don't feel safe with it. To many fucking whacko's like your dad out there.

ya, he was known for a temper for a long time. that all happened before he had the ccw, back in his heyday. hes a lot more "sane" about things now, but he wouldnt hesitate to defend if needed. hes actually a pretty level headed dood. that neighbor pushed the issue to the point of that altercation too, it wasnt just "hear some noise, pull a gun" or anything.
 

Iron Woode

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I would have flipped out and cut his head off and then wailed on my guitar.

:cool:
 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Trying to lose him could endanger yourself, or others. I personally don't endorse it. I agree with pulling over, hoping that he would just drive on. The only thing I would add is that I would have dialed 911 to get help on the way. At the point that he went to his trunk I would have most likely drawn my sidearm and taken a defensive position. If he advanced, I'd drop him. If he stayed put, dropped the weapon, or left, I would have just waited for police - making sure to have his description, license plate, etc.

You really would fire in this situation? A little road rage, you pull over to the side of the road and when he exits the vehicle and walks to the rear you get out of your car and pull your gun instead of driving away? What do they teach you in CCDW classes these days?

Here's the problem:

If I'm nervous, in a hurry, etc I could make an error which causes an accident. If I drive off I could make him more angry. If he pursues me, even more angry now, there's no telling what could happen...an accident, he might have a gun of his own, etc.

By staying put and controlling the situation I guarantee the least possible collateral damage. Better to choose your spot and defend than run blindly into unknown conditions.

Now, if the situation was slightly different I might respond differently. If the other driver was not aggressive enough to cause an accident (ie just following at a distance, honking and flashing, etc) then I might very well drive to a police station (if one existed close enough and I knew where it was). If it was a completely desolate area maybe I'd risk evasive driving hoping to lose him. But I'd have to feel certain that I wasn't endangering anyone else with such actions before I took them.

Bull fucking shit. I've been driving like an asshole for 10 years. Never has it made sense for me to pull over when someone wants to tailgate or honk or play road rage and pull the gun. Hammer Nail. Slow down. Hell pull over, let him get out and pull away again. Call the cops. There are a million other better scenarios that pulling over for a confrontation, and then shooting a man brandishing a golf club.

 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: thepd7


Try again. Lethal force is authorized in this situation if he is advancing, same as if he came with a knife.

I believe some states still require you to flee if you can reasonably do so. You being inside of a car and the attacker being on foot with a golf club.... its pretty darn reasonable that you would be safer driving off rather then confronting him with a weapon. I sure as hell wouldn't want to go in front of a jury with that one.

Not to mention the legal cost, loss of time, loss of my gun (at least temporarily) etc... The alternative is absurdly better.

Not my state, thankfully. I never would have stopped unless forced to and like others said I would have left as soon as he got out but if for whatever reason I was outside or inside of my car and he came towards me with any weapon I would draw.


Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Trying to lose him could endanger yourself, or others. I personally don't endorse it. I agree with pulling over, hoping that he would just drive on. The only thing I would add is that I would have dialed 911 to get help on the way. At the point that he went to his trunk I would have most likely drawn my sidearm and taken a defensive position. If he advanced, I'd drop him. If he stayed put, dropped the weapon, or left, I would have just waited for police - making sure to have his description, license plate, etc.

You really would fire in this situation? A little road rage, you pull over to the side of the road and when he exits the vehicle and walks to the rear you get out of your car and pull your gun instead of driving away? What do they teach you in CCDW classes these days?

Is there a reasonable possibility your life could be in danger? What's in that trunk?

Yes, that's exactly what a CHL class teaches and SHOULD teach.
 

krunchykrome

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Originally posted by: mooseracing



Originally posted by: Darwin333

LOL

Sure thing Rambo.

speak for yourself, i've been "detained" multiple times for calling out idiots that think they are on top of the world. And I don't hesitate to help someone else out if they are in need.


Originally posted by: krunchykrome

and all of that macho crap is necessary why?


crap my ass. People need to learn they aren't in control or get away with everything, , otherwise the U.S. will continue to go down hill. The police would have done nothing but a slap on the wrist.

It's like all the idiots that know the lane is ending but wait until the last 50ft, I will sacrifice my car/truck to teach your dumbass a lesson. And I will let you know what the law is on it as well, seems how it is illegal yet the cops don't do anything. I'm not going to sit down and watch it happen day after day.

you should put on a mask and a cape while you're at it...
 

mooseracing

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome

you should put on a mask and a cape while you're at it...

Whatever, If I don't like something I'm not going to sit on my ass and bitch about it. I'm going to at least try and remedy the situation.


 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: mooseracing
Originally posted by: krunchykrome

you should put on a mask and a cape while you're at it...

Whatever, If I don't like something I'm not going to sit on my ass and bitch about it. I'm going to at least try and remedy the situation.

Fine line between bravery and stupidity.

You are perfectly willing to risk life, limb, freedom and assets to teach some asshole road rage driver a lesson???

"Why are you growing up without a daddy?"

"He had to teach some guy who was tailgating/following him a lesson."



Its flat out stupid to voluntarily put yourself in that kind of position just to teach some dick a lesson.
 

KK

Lifer
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I would have tossed my spit cup out the window while he was tailgating.
 

coldmeat

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I'm assuming he had all of his clubs with him, so why did he grab a driver? I think a 3 iron would be much more effective.
 

MotionMan

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I had someone start to follow me because I legally pulled in front of him at a merge on a neighborhood street.

After the merge, I drove a couple blocks and pulled into the left turn lane leading into my neighborhood and he pulled behind me. I thought it was odd, so I pulled out of the turn lane and he followed. I then turned into the neighborhood a ways down that I am familiar with. He followed. I then took a few turns slowly and he followed. Then I took a few turns faster and faster until he was a turn or two behind me. I did a quick three-point turn a bit down the block and, as he made the turn into the street I put on my high beams. He froze for a second, flashed his beams at me, backed up and drove away.

What an a$$hat.

MotionMan