What would you do if you are tested HIV positive?

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Find a chick with HIV and bang her. You know she wants some action, and you're already infected.

One person's infection is totally different from another's. The only thing you'll accomplish is wasting both of your drug "cocktails" and possibly creating a more resistant strain.

How do people not know this in this day in age?

People believe AIDS is survivable these days. And so we've seen the emergence of "Pos parties" where HIV positive individuals get together for orgies. They swap around their various strands of AIDS and create new, treatment resistant strains. So far they haven't made one that's resistant to everything, but it's really just a matter of time.

Dear God...I truly hope you're kidding. POS-parties? And ya'd think that the people who're HIV+, having had talked with doctors (certainly they do if they're on a drug regimen) would know better.

Nah, he's not kidding. Just look in the "M4M" part of Craigslist in any major metro.

 

[iamtrout]

GO ON A KILLING SPREE.

 

[mwtgg]

Amused, you're generally a levelheaded guy, but I think you're completely wrong here. Living with HIV is not entirely rosy as you paint it now, but I'm slightly confused. Why change your mind?

Originally posted by: Amused
That really sucks. I hope you'll be there for him.

Also, while the drugs have helped many, there is a significant % of people who either do not respond to the drugs, or have side effects so severe they cannot tolerate them.

So it's not as easy going as so many have been led to believe.

So why the change of heart?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Amused, you're generally a levelheaded guy, but I think you're completely wrong here. Living with HIV is not entirely rosy as you paint it now, but I'm slightly confused. Why change your mind?

Originally posted by: Amused
That really sucks. I hope you'll be there for him.

Also, while the drugs have helped many, there is a significant % of people who either do not respond to the drugs, or have side effects so severe they cannot tolerate them.

So it's not as easy going as so many have been led to believe.

So why the change of heart?

The difference is, in this thread people were talking of killing themselves before they even gave it a chance. And while there are people who do not respond to the drugs, they are a minority. Chances are if you can be responsible and take the drugs faithfully, you'll do fine for quite a few years.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Amused, you're generally a levelheaded guy, but I think you're completely wrong here. Living with HIV is not entirely rosy as you paint it now, but I'm slightly confused. Why change your mind?

Originally posted by: Amused
That really sucks. I hope you'll be there for him.

Also, while the drugs have helped many, there is a significant % of people who either do not respond to the drugs, or have side effects so severe they cannot tolerate them.

So it's not as easy going as so many have been led to believe.

So why the change of heart?

The difference is, in this thread people were talking of killing themselves before they even gave it a chance. And while there are people who do not respond to the drugs, they are a minority. Chances are if you can be responsible and take the drugs faithfully, you'll do fine for quite a few years.

But a year ago you said "there is a significant % of people who either do not respond to the drugs".

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

One person's infection is totally different from another's. The only thing you'll accomplish is wasting both of your drug "cocktails" and possibly creating a more resistant strain.

How do people not know this in this day in age?

I didn't. I think most people are like me. I don't keep up with the whole AIDS thing, thanks.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Amused, you're generally a levelheaded guy, but I think you're completely wrong here. Living with HIV is not entirely rosy as you paint it now, but I'm slightly confused. Why change your mind?

Originally posted by: Amused
That really sucks. I hope you'll be there for him.

Also, while the drugs have helped many, there is a significant % of people who either do not respond to the drugs, or have side effects so severe they cannot tolerate them.

So it's not as easy going as so many have been led to believe.

So why the change of heart?

The difference is, in this thread people were talking of killing themselves before they even gave it a chance. And while there are people who do not respond to the drugs, they are a minority. Chances are if you can be responsible and take the drugs faithfully, you'll do fine for quite a few years.

But a year ago you said "there is a significant % of people who either do not respond to the drugs".

Jews make up slightly more than 2% of the population. Blacks, 12%.

Would you call either of them a "signifigant %" of our population?

I would.

 

[SampSon]

I would go get the best help I could findd.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Find a chick with HIV and bang her. You know she wants some action, and you're already infected.

One person's infection is totally different from another's. The only thing you'll accomplish is wasting both of your drug "cocktails" and possibly creating a more resistant strain.

How do people not know this in this day in age?

People believe AIDS is survivable these days. And so we've seen the emergence of "Pos parties" where HIV positive individuals get together for orgies. They swap around their various strands of AIDS and create new, treatment resistant strains. So far they haven't made one that's resistant to everything, but it's really just a matter of time.

Dear God...I truly hope you're kidding. POS-parties? And ya'd think that the people who're HIV+, having had talked with doctors (certainly they do if they're on a drug regimen) would know better.

Nah, he's not kidding. Just look in the "M4M" part of Craigslist in any major metro.

ergh...there should be a limit on freedom, creating super strains of hiv through willful negligence should be illegal. these things should be raided.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Amused
Jews make up slightly more than 2% of the population. Blacks, 12%.

Would you call either of them a "signifigant %" of our population?

I would.

OK. I don't quite see your point.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
OMG!

/wrists

hahahaha

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: jonessoda
A 2005 report (Schneider et al) gives life expectancy, with antiretroviral treatments, as an average of slightly over five years rather than your optimistic 20-30. From the evidence, I would say 20-30 is the absolute, rare, best-case scenario.

No, thank you, I'd rather take a controllable, painless death while I still have some modicum of health than wasting away on the dollar of the taxpayer and the good samaritan.

Wow, I didn't see this.

The FULL conclusion of the study you speak of:

"After the diagnosis of AIDS is made, the current average survival time with antiretroviral therapy is estimated to be now more than 5 years"

You need to understand why posting this was so silly.

The antiviral treatments are meant to stop the progression of HIV into AIDS. If your HIV has become AIDS and your T-cells continue to drop even after taking the antivirals, they are not working.

So this stat is pointless. You need a stat on the life expectancy of HIV+ people on the antivirals. Not people with whom the antivirals are obviously not working.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Amused
Jews make up slightly more than 2% of the population. Blacks, 12%.

Would you call either of them a "signifigant %" of our population?

I would.

OK. I don't quite see your point.

My point is, you seem to think a signifigant % has to be a majority. It is not. It merely has to be signifigant enough to cause concern.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Amused
Jews make up slightly more than 2% of the population. Blacks, 12%.

Would you call either of them a "signifigant %" of our population?

I would.

OK. I don't quite see your point.

My point is, you seem to think a signifigant % has to be a majority. It is not. It merely has to be signifigant enough to cause concern.

Any percent of failed HIV treatments is worrisome. However, I fail to see your point in light of your apparent change of heart.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Amused
Jews make up slightly more than 2% of the population. Blacks, 12%.

Would you call either of them a "signifigant %" of our population?

I would.

OK. I don't quite see your point.

My point is, you seem to think a signifigant % has to be a majority. It is not. It merely has to be signifigant enough to cause concern.

Any percent of failed HIV treatments is worrisome. However, I fail to see your point in light of your apparent change of heart.

The point is this:

It is stupid to end your life without trying to treat the disease and live a full life first. If you find the treatments are failing, then I can understand.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Find a chick with HIV and bang her. You know she wants some action, and you're already infected.

One person's infection is totally different from another's. The only thing you'll accomplish is wasting both of your drug "cocktails" and possibly creating a more resistant strain.

How do people not know this in this day in age?

People believe AIDS is survivable these days. And so we've seen the emergence of "Pos parties" where HIV positive individuals get together for orgies. They swap around their various strands of AIDS and create new, treatment resistant strains. So far they haven't made one that's resistant to everything, but it's really just a matter of time.

Dear God...I truly hope you're kidding. POS-parties? And ya'd think that the people who're HIV+, having had talked with doctors (certainly they do if they're on a drug regimen) would know better.

Nah, he's not kidding. Just look in the "M4M" part of Craigslist in any major metro.

ergh...there should be a limit on freedom, creating super strains of hiv through willful negligence should be illegal. these things should be raided.

Well I suppose if they don't want to live anymore, they may as well go out with a bang. The harm comes if they spread their HIV to new, previously uninfected people.

 

[jonessoda]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: jonessoda
A 2005 report (Schneider et al) gives life expectancy, with antiretroviral treatments, as an average of slightly over five years rather than your optimistic 20-30. From the evidence, I would say 20-30 is the absolute, rare, best-case scenario.

No, thank you, I'd rather take a controllable, painless death while I still have some modicum of health than wasting away on the dollar of the taxpayer and the good samaritan.

Wow, I didn't see this.

The FULL conclusion of the study you speak of:

"After the diagnosis of AIDS is made, the current average survival time with antiretroviral therapy is estimated to be now more than 5 years"

You need to understand why posting this was so silly.

The antiviral treatments are meant to stop the progression of HIV into AIDS. If your HIV has become AIDS and your T-cells continue to drop even after taking the antivirals, they are not working.

So this stat is pointless. You need a stat on the life expectancy of HIV+ people on the antivirals. Not people with whom the antivirals are obviously not working.

Was there a reason you both PM'd this to me, verbatim, and posted it in the topic, or did you just think that repetition would help your argument? Perhaps you need the number of a good PR agent so you can get a press release out to the major news corporations within the night? Do you think it might be a good idea to see if we can get this straight on the wire? I might be able to find somebody at AP, but you're out of luck with Reuters.

Now, okay, perhaps my use of that study might be flawed, but so is your statement where you say:

So this stat is pointless. You need a stat on the life expectancy of HIV+ people on the antivirals. Not people with whom the antivirals are obviously not working.

Now, I may not be a doctor, and I may not work with HIV+ people every day, but I'd say that a statistic that states that there is a sizeable percentage of the population for whom these antiretrovirals do not work does provide a salient argument against your statement that, with HAART and other treatments can have a near-normal life. Since there is a sizeable portion for whom the antiretrovirals do not work, and therefore who get full-blown AIDS after taking them, it's obvious your solution is not so perfect as you make it out to be.

 

[jonessoda]

sorry, computer's acting up, double post

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: jonessoda

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: jonessoda
A 2005 report (Schneider et al) gives life expectancy, with antiretroviral treatments, as an average of slightly over five years rather than your optimistic 20-30. From the evidence, I would say 20-30 is the absolute, rare, best-case scenario.

No, thank you, I'd rather take a controllable, painless death while I still have some modicum of health than wasting away on the dollar of the taxpayer and the good samaritan.

Wow, I didn't see this.

The FULL conclusion of the study you speak of:

"After the diagnosis of AIDS is made, the current average survival time with antiretroviral therapy is estimated to be now more than 5 years"

You need to understand why posting this was so silly.

The antiviral treatments are meant to stop the progression of HIV into AIDS. If your HIV has become AIDS and your T-cells continue to drop even after taking the antivirals, they are not working.

So this stat is pointless. You need a stat on the life expectancy of HIV+ people on the antivirals. Not people with whom the antivirals are obviously not working.

Was there a reason you both PM'd this to me, verbatim, and posted it in the topic, or did you just think that repetition would help your argument? Perhaps you need the number of a good PR agent so you can get a press release out to the major news corporations within the night? Do you think it might be a good idea to see if we can get this straight on the wire? I might be able to find somebody at AP, but you're out of luck with Reuters.

Now, okay, perhaps my use of that study might be flawed, but so is your statement where you say:

So this stat is pointless. You need a stat on the life expectancy of HIV+ people on the antivirals. Not people with whom the antivirals are obviously not working.

Now, I may not be a doctor, and I may not work with HIV+ people every day, but I'd say that a statistic that states that there is a sizeable percentage of the population for whom these antiretrovirals do not work does provide a salient argument against your statement that, with HAART and other treatments can have a near-normal life. Since there is a sizeable portion for whom the antiretrovirals do not work, and therefore who get full-blown AIDS after taking them, it's obvious your solution is not so perfect as you make it out to be.

I PMed you because if you're anything like me, you lose threads if they drop off the first page or two. It was done as a courtesy to give you a chance to respond since you were logged off. That's all. Sorry... I won't make the same mistake twice.

Yes, of course there is a signifigant % who, through failure to adhere to the strict drug regimen, or continued reinfection, or continued drug abuse or severe side effects or other factors do not respond well to drug treatment. These are the minority now, but still a signifigant number of people.

This, however, does not negate my point. A large majority of people who do follow the treament and take care of themselves lead long, healthy lives.

And my point was this: It's fscking stupid to simply kill oneself because they are diagnosed as infected with HIV. Even without the drugs, most HIV+ people live 5-10+ years with no symptoms at all before developing AIDs. Yes, I can see ending one's life when quality of life deteriorates after trying all treatments. But why in the fsck would one kill themselves before that? Because of shame or stigma or some ignorant fear that they may unintentionally infect someone else? Pure stupidity, not to metion selfish in the face of the loss your loved ones will feel.

 

[amdforever2]

*taps combadge*

MEDICAL EMERGENCY!
DECK EIGHT SECTION 42!

 

[The Batt?sai]

/wrists

 

[SKORPI0]

Seppuku to die with honor.

But seriously, I'll get all the treatments out there (if I can afford it) and prolong my life as long as I can.

 

[VanTheMan]

Originally posted by: jonessoda
Make sure. As in, make ABSOLUTELY sure. As in, ensure in whatever way possible that it is not a false positive.

If I test absolutely positive, then: make a will, nice and legal. Get rid of my garbage. Boot-n-nuke then reinstall Windows on my PCs. Make sure everything's in order. Set a bunch of money aside. Then: suicide, in a fashion that spills no blood, semen, spinal fluid, etc. Like, pills or hanging or something. Make sure somebody knows it's happened, make sure the coroner knows I'm HIV+, have in my will that I want to get cremated in a simple, cheap coffin. That money I set aside? Funeral expenses.

I want to leave a very considerate corpse.

Pills can cause intense nausea and vomiting.

 

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by: gigapet
get a second opinion.

False positives are common enough to warrant it... the virus itself is bad enough to warrant it. I'd get a few oppinions. If they all came back positive... well... who knows. That's a pretty big thing to take in, I'd probably act completely different than I'd expect myself to.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Eat loads of lauric acid (found in pure virgin coconut oil) since it strips the protective layer off of virii, allowing the body to kill them. Works on every virus, including HIV.

I'm surprised this post has not been addressed yet.

So you are telling me that AIDS can be cured with coconut oil? Do you have a link to a published study that documents this?