What would you do if you are tested HIV positive?

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

*YOU* may consider it to be a long, happy, healthy life.

I know several people with HIV, I've read up on it, etc. There's no way I could ever consider that to be a happy or healthy life.

When did I say anything about "accidental"?

do they take treatment? the fact on the AIDS drugs is that they are posionous. it is called AZT, look up on wiki.

AZT is rarely used anymore in long term treatment. And was only so toxic when used in megadoses way back in the early 90s.

Most of the newer drugs and treatments have relatively few side effects.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

*YOU* may consider it to be a long, happy, healthy life.

I know several people with HIV, I've read up on it, etc. There's no way I could ever consider that to be a happy or healthy life.

When did I say anything about "accidental"?

do they take treatment? the fact on the AIDS drugs is that they are posionous. it is called AZT, look up on wiki.

Some do and some do not, but that's irrelevant to the issue.

What is relevant, (and the most ironic) is that you would off yourself over the stigma... the very stigma you seem so willing to perpetuate.

 

[Preyhunter]

What the hell Amused? Are you becoming the President and Ambivalent Dictator for Life of The Amused Fsck Off and Live Club too? We understand that HIV isn't what it once was or was perceived to be. On the other hand, I say let these people die if they want to.

Don't give up the Fsck Off and Die attitude!

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Amused
Colds and flus are "easily transmitted." HIV must be willingly and intentionally transmitted.

Easy != accidental.

Originally posted by: Amused
What is relevant, (and the most ironic) is that you would off yourself over the stigma... the very stigma you seem so willing to perpetuate.

I don't recall justifying my choice, nor needing to do so. Don't assume that it's just because of the stigma.

I'm not going to candy-coat HIV, as you appear to be. I have many friends that would read this thread, and go have unprotected sex, saying "oh well, it's not that bad. See? He just said that there are treatments and you live a long, happy, healthy life with it." I'm not about to condone that.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: JS80
I would lie on the questionnaire and give blood.

LOL. Just to prove a point, right?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: Amused
Colds and flus are "easily transmitted." HIV must be willingly and intentionally transmitted.

Easy != accidental.

Originally posted by: Amused
What is relevant, (and the most ironic) is that you would off yourself over the stigma... the very stigma you seem so willing to perpetuate.

I don't recall justifying my choice, nor needing to do so. Don't assume that it's just because of the stigma.

I'm not going to candy-coat HIV, as you appear to be. I have many friends that would read this thread, and go have unprotected sex, saying "oh well, it's not that bad. See? He just said that there are treatments and you live a long, happy, healthy life with it." I'm not about to condone that.

Where did you see me condone risky behavior?

Ignorance is NOT safe. Spreading ignorance and unfounded fears over something has NEVER worked as a deterrent.

The fact of the matter is, people with HIV CAN and DO live long, happy, healthy lives now. But I guess you'd be happier if they'd just die to help with your moral outrage, huh?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: Amused
Colds and flus are "easily transmitted." HIV must be willingly and intentionally transmitted.

Easy != accidental.

Originally posted by: Amused
What is relevant, (and the most ironic) is that you would off yourself over the stigma... the very stigma you seem so willing to perpetuate.

I don't recall justifying my choice, nor needing to do so. Don't assume that it's just because of the stigma.

I'm not going to candy-coat HIV, as you appear to be. I have many friends that would read this thread, and go have unprotected sex, saying "oh well, it's not that bad. See? He just said that there are treatments and you live a long, happy, healthy life with it." I'm not about to condone that.

That speaks more of the quality of your friends than it does of Amused's viewpoint.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BigJ


That speaks more of the quality of your friends than it does of Amused's viewpoint.

I was going to point that out but I didn't want to be insulting.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BigJ


That speaks more of the quality of your friends than it does of Amused's viewpoint.

I was going to point that out but I didn't want to be insulting.

I'm on a roll today, so I figured I might as well.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: Amused
Colds and flus are "easily transmitted." HIV must be willingly and intentionally transmitted.

So you are saying that all those kids dying in Africa were intentionally given aids? :roll:

HIV is transmitted all the time unintentionally. It is harder to catch than a cold (e.g. it isn't an airborne pathogen) but it is still relatively easy to get.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Amused
Colds and flus are "easily transmitted." HIV must be willingly and intentionally transmitted.

So you are saying that all those kids dying in Africa were intentionally given aids? :roll:

HIV is transmitted all the time unintentionally. It is harder to catch than a cold (e.g. it isn't an airborne pathogen) but it is still relatively easy to get.

It's a rather poor comparison between the US and Africa. Not to mention when people think you can cure the disease by having sex with a virgin, I think theres a few problems there.

Hell, I could get plenty of diseases in Africa that could kill me, that over here I could see a doctor and be better in a week or two.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Amused
Where did you see me condone risky behavior?

Ignorance is NOT safe. Spreading ignorance and unfounded fears over something has NEVER worked as a deterrent.

The fact of the matter is, people with HIV CAN and DO live long, happy, healthy lives now. But I guess you'd be happier if they'd just die to help with your moral outrage, huh?

You are not explicitly condoning risky behavior, but you are implying that it is "OK" to have HIV, because it's manageable. That is *not* OK in my mind, because the general public, which is too stupid to care, will then engage in even more risky behavior. I wouldn't, but I know many that would. Don't hide or change "the truth" -- but there is no reason to make it appear to be tolerable.

I'm not promoting ignorance, either. I'm adding a dose of reality to your truth. *Of course* many people with HIV live long, happy, healthy lives. That's to be expected. Similarly, many do not.

NOWHERE did I say that I wish that any of them would die, or that any harm would come to them. They're just as entitled to their own pursuit of happiness as everyone else is. I said that *I* would not live a long, happy, healthy life if I contracted HIV. I didn't say that the majority won't, nor did I say that they shouldn't.

Originally posted by: BigJ
That speaks more of the quality of your friends than it does of Amused's viewpoint.

I use the term "friends" loosely. I haven't even spoken to most of them in over a year. And no, not because of HIV.

<shrug> Think whatever the fvck you want. Letting the public believe that it's OK to have HIV will only lead to another surge in 'infection'.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: Platypus
Don't bother GD, you're pissing in the wind....

 

[pinion9]

I agree with GeekDrew. Once we get complacent and start talking about how easy it is to live with HIV, then we see a spike in infections. HIV? Ehh, I'll still live 30 years. Who wants to live to be 60 anyways?

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Amused
Colds and flus are "easily transmitted." HIV must be willingly and intentionally transmitted.

So you are saying that all those kids dying in Africa were intentionally given aids? :roll:

HIV is transmitted all the time unintentionally. It is harder to catch than a cold (e.g. it isn't an airborne pathogen) but it is still relatively easy to get.

It's a rather poor comparison between the US and Africa. Not to mention when people think you can cure the disease by having sex with a virgin, I think theres a few problems there.

Hell, I could get plenty of diseases in Africa that could kill me, that over here I could see a doctor and be better in a week or two.

This is what Amused said:

Originally posted by: Amused
Colds and flus are "easily transmitted." HIV must be willingly and intentionally transmitted.

I was just confirming that this is not true.
Let us talk about America. Do you think that chick meant to give Magic Johnson HIV? That she intentionally did it?

Do you think heroin addicts think it is funny and intentionally give HIV to their junkie friends? Many people have HIV and don't know it, yet transmit it. How can you willingly and intentionally transmit something you are unaware you even have?

/argument

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: Amused
Where did you see me condone risky behavior?

Ignorance is NOT safe. Spreading ignorance and unfounded fears over something has NEVER worked as a deterrent.

The fact of the matter is, people with HIV CAN and DO live long, happy, healthy lives now. But I guess you'd be happier if they'd just die to help with your moral outrage, huh?

You are not explicitly condoning risky behavior, but you are implying that it is "OK" to have HIV, because it's manageable. That is *not* OK in my mind, because the general public, which is too stupid to care, will then engage in even more risky behavior. I wouldn't, but I know many that would. Don't hide or change "the truth" -- but there is no reason to make it appear to be tolerable.

I'm not promoting ignorance, either. I'm adding a dose of reality to your truth. *Of course* many people with HIV live long, happy, healthy lives. That's to be expected. Similarly, many do not.

NOWHERE did I say that I wish that any of them would die, or that any harm would come to them. They're just as entitled to their own pursuit of happiness as everyone else is. I said that *I* would not live a long, happy, healthy life if I contracted HIV. I didn't say that the majority won't, nor did I say that they shouldn't.

Originally posted by: BigJ
That speaks more of the quality of your friends than it does of Amused's viewpoint.

I use the term "friends" loosely. I haven't even spoken to most of them in over a year. And no, not because of HIV.

<shrug> Think whatever the fvck you want. Letting the public believe that it's OK to have HIV will only lead to another surge in 'infection'.

Bullsh!t. No one WANTS HIV no matter how managable it is.

But to say someone should want to die because they have it is just ignorant. Spreading baseless lies and fear never solved anything.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: JS80
I would lie on the questionnaire and give blood.

LOL. Just to prove a point, right?

Hey, small sacrifice to spread......the word.

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: Amused
Bullsh!t. No one WANTS HIV no matter how managable it is.

But to say someone should want to die because they have it is just ignorant. Spreading baseless lies and fear never solved anything.

True, no one wants it. But if HIV is sooo manageable and easy to live with, maybe the benefits to some outweigh the risks... Same reason people have unprotected sex...they may catch something, but they are all so treatable it is *worth the risk.*

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Amused
Colds and flus are "easily transmitted." HIV must be willingly and intentionally transmitted.

So you are saying that all those kids dying in Africa were intentionally given aids? :roll:

HIV is transmitted all the time unintentionally. It is harder to catch than a cold (e.g. it isn't an airborne pathogen) but it is still relatively easy to get.

It's a rather poor comparison between the US and Africa. Not to mention when people think you can cure the disease by having sex with a virgin, I think theres a few problems there.

Hell, I could get plenty of diseases in Africa that could kill me, that over here I could see a doctor and be better in a week or two.

This is what Amused said:

Originally posted by: Amused
Colds and flus are "easily transmitted." HIV must be willingly and intentionally transmitted.

I was just confirming that this is not true.
Let us talk about America. Do you think that chick meant to give Magic Johnson HIV? That she intentionally did it?

Do you think heroin addicts think it is funny and intentionally give HIV to their junkie friends? Many people have HIV and don't know it, yet transmit it. How can you willingly and intentionally transmit something you are unaware you even have?

/argument

The discussion was about KNOWING you are HIV positive.

If you KNOW you are HIV+. you have to INTENTIONALLY transmit it. There is no accidental transmission once you know you have it.

The only thing ended here is the last remaining faith in your reading comprehension.

 

[Mo0o]

I'd seek treatment...

 

[Gooberlx2]

I'd live life as normal, with the exception that I would have to try and figure out where, when and who...and contact anyone afterwards...and have a long serious talk with the gf. There're so many treatments for people with HIV (which may never develop into AIDs anyway), that there's no reason you couldn't expect to live a long and healthy life.....even if it did develop into AIDs.....so long as you have access to that treatment.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Amused
Bullsh!t. No one WANTS HIV no matter how managable it is.

I didn't say that anyone will want it. I said that people will become complacent, and will not worry about preventing it. Perhaps you think too much of the general public.

Originally posted by: Amused
But to say someone should want to die because they have it is just ignorant. Spreading baseless lies and fear never solved anything.

Quote me saying that. I have never said any of that; you're reading into what I say, and you're doing so incorrectly.

I said that *I* would want to die, not that *anyone* else should. Nor am I spreading baseless lies. Prove me wrong.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: Amused
Bullsh!t. No one WANTS HIV no matter how managable it is.

But to say someone should want to die because they have it is just ignorant. Spreading baseless lies and fear never solved anything.

True, no one wants it. But if HIV is sooo manageable and easy to live with, maybe the benefits to some outweigh the risks... Same reason people have unprotected sex...they may catch something, but they are all so treatable it is *worth the risk.*

It's not worth the risk to so severely limit your marriage/dating possibilities, being faced with a drug regimen so strict you cannot miss one pill or risk dying.

You guys use the same arguments religionists use to spread fear about sex in general and promote abstinence classes... all of which is a total failure.

Ignorance never saved anybody.

 

[fishface313]

infect as many people as humanly possible....you only live once right???

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: JS80
Hey, small sacrifice to spread......the word.

Yes...the word...yes...

You are truly a selfless individual. I think I see where you are going with this. If EVERYONE has HIV, then all of our lifespans are decreased, which just makes the decreased lifespan the normal lifespan for humans. You are a genius.

And since some HIV positive people are athletes, can I assume that HIV will me an athlete? I heard it is a wonderful diet, at the very least.