What things can Intel, AMD, Nvidia and Microsoft do to make PC desktop better?

[mutantmagnet]

Microsoft

Continue on their plans for making a device agnostic OS. People want a seamless experience when using their devices. This idea in general should also be adopted by Apple and Google.
For Microsoft specifically they should ensure their OS also has a means of working with normal cellphones. Before I switched to smartphone I noticed that MS had offered the best experience with Bing on low end phones. They really have the potential to spread their presence into the 3rd world countries which are the fastest growing economies. It will pay off a lot in 20 years if they got people from those countries hooked onto their applications by catering to their software needs.

Intel

Develop a microkernal OS. We live in age where security is in higher demand and will continue to grow. Microkernals were abandoned for consumer usage because the hardware requirements were too high, in 2000-2005. At this point Intel has the justification and resources to offer a compelling alternative to Windows and Linux while still serving the needs of the public. Intel should take note that their biggest market is going to be Europe and potentially China at the start but the Americas will follow suit quickly if they prove they can offer bundled free software that makes the cost of buying a new OS and CPU worthwhile.

Intel also should adopt both gsync and adaptive sync.

AMD

They are in a bad position because they're financially starved. IMO AMD is right to bet big on VR but they shouldn't focus only on the hardware aspect. They should meddle in the affairs of the software developers and make sure they are making productivity products that will make VR as essential as the PC used to be in the 90s.

Nvidia

Convince Intel to adopt gsync. Have gsync work all the way down to 24 Hertz so they are fully compatible with movies and market adaptive refreshed displays as a must have feature.

Leverage their resources to develop a new type of CPU/GPU hybrid that allows for easier artifical intelligence programming. I want Nvidia to play the much longer investment game than AMD needs to do with VR.

Asus/MSI/Gigabyte/ASrock

I would like it if any of them differentiated their motherboards by:

Offering a multigpu configuration with integrated GPUs and dedicated cards that scaled well. At the very least offer an option where the IGPU can take over the processing (and maybe the rendering) of everything that is UI related including our player characters.

Offering a way to save custom memory overclocking profiles based on an application we are using. In addition use a networking system like evolved that allows people to share memory overclocking settings so we can collectively find the optimal timings.

Creating the ability to divide the audio channels up to 3 distinct output channels that don't interfere with each other.

 

[Phynaz]

So much so, that many of us use one every day.

Some people still use buggy whips. Doesn't mean the horse drawn carriage isn't dead as a form of transportation.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Some people still use buggy whips. Doesn't mean the horse drawn carriage isn't dead as a form of transportation.

They still sell buggy whips.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I want to see microsoft release hardware specific OS's. Don't force me to use metro on a desktop just because you think that one size fits all like a cheap pair of socks.

 

[NTMBK]

I want to see microsoft release hardware specific OS's. Don't force me to use metro on a desktop just because you think that one size fits all like a cheap pair of socks.

You know that Windows 10 is just around the corner, right?

 

[Denly]

MS need to tie all their shyt together to give user a better exp, have not try W10 maybe they did I don't know.

They have a lot of good idea but they don't work together. One drive/One note/PC/WP/Office Len/contact, let user share data amount smart phone/PC/Tablet in a much more efficient way and people will buy your product.

The easiest way to do this is let user dock their WP to PC, I can't believe MS didn't do that on W8.1/WP8.1. Let me dock my phone and send txt msg using kb/ms damit.

AMD/Nvidia need to take care of the lower end user, tons of Corp and home user use SFF. Make a decent $100-$150 1/2 height card that support 3 LCD @ 1080 and is decent at photo/video edit you will sell a ton. Don't even need to be good for game. 90% of the PC don't game ever.

AMD need to make a dual socket APU workstation in SFF, let the IGPU cross fire with tri channel ram. Or even 2x APU + fury nano cross fire.

 

[2is]

MS need to tie all their shyt together to give user a better exp, have not try W10 maybe they did I don't know.

That's exactly what MS is trying to do with Windows 10. They're not giving it away for free to Windows 7 and 8.1 users for the heck of it. Trying to get everything under with Win10 umbrella as fast as possible to provide a unified computing experience across multiple devices.

 

[Puffnstuff]

You know that Windows 10 is just around the corner, right?

Absolutely, not to mention the fact that I have three pc's on the waiting list to upgrade. The start menu is still metroesk. Thank goodness that classic shell still works in it just the same so I don't have to mess with any of my settings and will retain my win 7 appearance.

 

[dark zero]

Simple. Let the Pc and Notebook industry die and only focus on Mobile. This is the future.

 

[sm625]

I'm not sure this is really specific to desktop, but microsoft really needs an android emulator. The surface 3 pro is powerful enough to emulate android apps but as usual microsoft dropped the ball on that just like they always do. There is actually an android weather app that I like so much that I actually fire up Bluestacks to use it on my desktop. It would be nice to not have to use a 3rd party program to do that.

 

[mutantmagnet]

I'm not sure this is really specific to desktop, but microsoft really needs an android emulator. The surface 3 pro is powerful enough to emulate android apps but as usual microsoft dropped the ball on that just like they always do. There is actually an android weather app that I like so much that I actually fire up Bluestacks to use it on my desktop. It would be nice to not have to use a 3rd party program to do that.

DOn't worry MS is going to provide an emulator for Android and OSX in windows 10.

 

[Excessi0n]

The desktop PC is dead. Get used to it.

The desktop is just a dead dinosaur.

That may or may not be true for a large portion of the market, but it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Put your soapbox away and go home if you aren't even going to attempt to stay on topic.

 

[Phynaz]

That may or may not be true for a large portion of the market, but it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Put your soapbox away and go home if you aren't even going to attempt to stay on topic.

It absolutely has everything to do with this thread. How to you expect this "making desktop pc's better" to get paid for?? Is your "gaming" system going to pay for the millions in R&D?

 

[Excessi0n]

It absolutely has everything to do with this thread.

No, it absolutely does not. "It's dead lol" is a complete non-sequitur to the question posed in the original post and terrible posting to boot.

 

[Phynaz]

Guess it's a good thing I didn't post that.

 

[Fjodor2001]

AMD : Survive long enough to put out a good 8 core Zen CPU, and "4-8 core Zen + iGPU + HBM + 14 nm" APU. The latter can also be used as base for next gen consoles.

Intel: Give up the mobile phone / tablet segment, and prioritize desktop. Intel has been trying for so long in mobile, but will not succeed due to the competition from ARM. Provide 6-8 core desktop CPUs at prices where at least power users and enthusiasts can afford them, initially. That'll pave the way for mainstream users to buy similar CPUs the later, when SW has adapted. Otherwise Intel will be heading on a dwindling road where desktop sales keeps declining. We're already seeing dropping PC sales throughout the world.

Microsoft: Provide means for utilizing more than 4 CPU cores. And also take lead on showing that it is possible to do so, and promote it in every way possible. Keep inventing SW that utilizes the benefits of desktop environment, with large screen and good ergonomic input options for productivity work (proper keyboard and mouse). Develop SW that makes use of high performance hardware.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Intel: Give up the mobile phone / tablet segment, and prioritize desktop. Intel has been trying for so long in mobile, but will not succeed due to the competition from ARM. Provide 6-8 core desktop CPUs at prices where at least power users and enthusiasts can afford them, initially. That'll pave the way for mainstream users to buy similar CPUs the later, when SW has adapted. Otherwise Intel will be heading on a dwindling road where desktop sales keeps declining. We're already seeing dropping PC sales throughout the world.

I am glad that you do not hold a management position at Intel

 

[el etro]

List any suggestions you have for Intel, AMD, Nvidia and Microsoftto to make PC desktop better.

Here are some changes I would like to see happen:

1.) For the BGA or low power SoC based boards (Kabini, Socket AM1, Braswell) I would like to see Microsoft offer Windows with Bing as a low cost option for the motherboard OEMs.

2.) Microsoft to offer a Multi-user Server OS for the home.

3.) Intel to offer 2C/4T Skylake desktop Pentium in the $65 to $70 price range.

4.) Intel to offer high clocked consumer version of Xeon-D in 6C/12T and 8C/16T variants.

5.) AMD to offer 4C/8T Zen APU with small iGPU.

6.) Multi-user virtualization capability for iGPUs and more video cards.

7.) Microsoft to allow Windows phone (with Intel Broxton, etc) to dock to a larger screen use classic x86 desktop apps in the same way the Windows 8.1 tablets can do today. (ie, non Universal Apps).

1) Microsoft to create a Windows store for x86 traditional desktop, to install programs without the BS of installing bloatware(Ex: Baidu Antivirus or Ask Search Helper) to the system. Improves the usability of the systems by more than 100% ;

2) Invest more in SFF pcs development. Tower Desktops is commercially dead;

3) Improve the hardware performance of the existent technology, making system lighter instead of being heavier at every edition. MS already is pushing to this direction with Windows 8, and it is very good. Linux hardware performance is the goal;

4) Push HSA to improve performance of many kinds of PC tasks;

5) Push development of higher capacity NANDs to completely substitute the HDDs;

6) Search for new solutions to push the Memory industry;

7) Invest on software development to make the PCs even easier to use to beginners and low-level users. Most of us here don't even know the impact of the ease to use that a simple Start Menu can make. This is mandatory since the Bulk of the smartphone(this one is much simpler to use than a Windows/Mac PC) consumers is totally new people to computing and making PCs easier to use may help PC sales.

 

[podspi]

MS need to tie all their shyt together to give user a better exp, have not try W10 maybe they did I don't know.

They have a lot of good idea but they don't work together. One drive/One note/PC/WP/Office Len/contact, let user share data amount smart phone/PC/Tablet in a much more efficient way and people will buy your product.

The easiest way to do this is let user dock their WP to PC, I can't believe MS didn't do that on W8.1/WP8.1. Let me dock my phone and send txt msg using kb/ms damit.

AMD/Nvidia need to take care of the lower end user, tons of Corp and home user use SFF. Make a decent $100-$150 1/2 height card that support 3 LCD @ 1080 and is decent at photo/video edit you will sell a ton. Don't even need to be good for game. 90% of the PC don't game ever.

AMD need to make a dual socket APU workstation in SFF, let the IGPU cross fire with tri channel ram. Or even 2x APU + fury nano cross fire.

Microsoft's ecosystem is awesome. This weekend I was working on a spreadsheet and seamlessly transitioned from my desktop, to a tablet, to my laptop.

It was seriously pretty awesome. And with the dockable WP (scalable metro apps) + control of WP10 phones from W10, the ecosystem is only getting better. Assuming the new premium Lumias are good, I may switch to Windows Phone, and just use my Nexus 7 for the few apps I can't do without that don't have replacements on WP (hopefully yet).

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

So much so, that many of us use one every day.

And probably 100% of businesses and 100% of government agencies and probably 100% of schools / colleges.

I am amused by Shintai's hyperbole, though. To call an industry good for sales of roughly 60 to 70 million units per quarter a dead industry is downright funny. It may be in decline -- but there will always be a market for businesses / schools / and high-end home users. There isn't a laptop built that doesn't choke on 4K video editing compared to what a DDR4-equipped Intel desktop can do.

 

[Fjodor2001]

I am glad that you do not hold a management position at Intel

I assume that's becuase you're holding a management position at ARM or AMD, so you're afraid of losing you're bonus if Intel did follow my advise.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Simple. Let the Pc and Notebook industry die and only focus on Mobile. This is the future.

ARM and Transmeta (before them) said the same line of crap a decade ago. Their performance is still woefully terrible for power users -- The desktop market will contract some more, but will be around for another few decades for power users.

You can't play 4K on mobile -- heck, even 720p is lousy on the majority of mobile.

 

[Phynaz]

And probably 100% of businesses and 100% of government agencies and probably 100% of schools / colleges.

I am amused by Shintai's hyperbole, though. To call an industry good for sales of roughly 60 to 70 million units per quarter a dead industry is downright funny. It may be in decline -- but there will always be a market for businesses / schools / and high-end home users. There isn't a laptop built that doesn't choke on 4K video editing compared to what a DDR4-equipped Intel desktop can do.

Got anything to backup those numbers?

I work in enterprise business and we are leaving the desktop behind in droves. If your use case doesn't require a laptop then you get a VDI. In a short amount of time desktops will be niche.

A few decades? If we follow the curve we won't even be using laptops.

 

[StinkyPinky]

IMO in the next decade smart phones will just dock with a monitor/keyboard/mouse and that will be sufficient processing power for 95% of the population. Not great for us enthusiast gamers though, but let's face it, we're a small market in the overall scheme of things.

 

[cbn]

Microsoft's ecosystem is awesome. This weekend I was working on a spreadsheet and seamlessly transitioned from my desktop, to a tablet, to my laptop.

It was seriously pretty awesome. And with the dockable WP (scalable metro apps) + control of WP10 phones from W10, the ecosystem is only getting better. Assuming the new premium Lumias are good, I may switch to Windows Phone, and just use my Nexus 7 for the few apps I can't do without that don't have replacements on WP (hopefully yet).

There is also the Windows IoT to think of, although I am not quite sure what to make of this yet:

http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/03/18/windows-10-iot-powering-the-internet-of-things/

To address emerging IoT device categories, we are delivering a new version of Windows 10 for small devices that will be free for Makers and commercial device builders and device services to unlock new scenarios.