What The US army does to People who loot

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: JEDI
hm...a couple of enlisted men having fun?

um..isnt there usually an officer in every tank?

and yeah about frustration of being put in a position where you don't know what you're allowed to do and not to do. ie: confusing ROE's

when u reach the breaking point, you just dont give a damn.

one more thing, don't the army count the bullets anymore when you get back to base? or is that only in the movies?

There should have been at least one Noncommissioned Officer on the track and may have been two in this case.

As far as round count, the unit was probably still in "blow and go" mode which isn't like a garrison environment. Just get with the 1SG back at the AA and tell him you need more ammo 'cause there was cattle or pigs that wouldn't get out of the way. The crewmen probably had a box or two of 9mm on their track anyway. Additionally, the exact number of rounds one has while running around downrange isn't that big of an issue unless the status is yellow or red.

My roomate once brought a smoke and a fragmentation grenade home from drill weekend. He was the NCO in charge....we were quite frightened at the implications.

 

[rahvin]

I wish they would do that in the US to people who loot during riots. If people lost their own property when they stole from others it would be a serious deterent to theft.

 

[Mill]

What a bunch of pussies in this thread. If you were so gung ho about Iraq why didn't you elist. Pussies.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Mill
What a bunch of pussies in this thread. If you were so gung ho about Iraq why didn't you elist. Pussies.

Must we fight Mill?
I would gladly go. I served but I'm out now and can't go back in (medical/ already tried). I have several family members there now and I'm kinda pissed I'm not.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Everyone so willing to believe what they see on a video...pitty.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Everyone so willing to believe what they see on a video...pitty.

What alternative hypothesis do you suggest might explain what happens in the video? Why ought we not believe it?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Mill
What a bunch of pussies in this thread. If you were so gung ho about Iraq why didn't you elist. Pussies.

LOL, I did 😛 Just waiting and volunteering over and over and over, but alas, here I sit.

My roomate once brought a smoke and a fragmentation grenade home from drill weekend. He was the NCO in charge....we were quite frightened at the implications.

Unfortunatly not every soldier in the US Army is top notch. Its not possible with so many people in the ranks. Honestly, a lot of the guys that are in aggravte myself when they do stupid stuff like that. Probably why I'm an MP. 😛

 

[BlackJesus03]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: Dark4ng3l
Whats bad is that even thogh they were gona crush the car they still emptied their handguns shooting at it for no reason.

they did it for a reason, they are a bunch of redneck trash that had to show these already brutilized people whos the master and whos the slave.

They obviously haven't been brutalized enough if they're stealing our wood.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts



The fact of the matter is that, in this country (which the Army is obviously acting on behalf of), a person would typically get a few month's probation for stealing a few dollars worth of wood. Instead, the Army destroyed what was likely the owner's only valuable property. That's wrong, and sends the worst possible message to the people whose country we went there to liberate.

I never thought about it like that.

 

[Vonkhan]

Man loses livelihood
Son joins Al-Qeada
Al-Qeada promises $xxxx in cash if son dies
Son becomes suide bomber
Suicide bomber kills 3 GIs
Comrade GI ruin another Iraqi's lievelihood in frustration



The Iraqi was "looting" wood. Not copper wire from electrical lines, not watches from a store, not a snow-mobile

Wood.

... and the GIs destroy his car.

If the same laws were applied here, shoplifters in Walmart would get their cars destroyed too? What would happed to Martha Stewart? 😛

Way to show the Iraqi people the wonders of democracy.

About the program reg. Iraq on the History Channel, I think there's some confusion. If u do ur research, Iraqi laws didn't follow the Shariat and were a LOT more secular than those in Saudi Arabia (allies, yes?).

 

[AvesPKS]

Dude, that's awesome...I wanna go play soldier in Iraq! It's like a videogame...

Yeah, I don't understand all the outrage over the crushing of the car from the livelihood standpoint, or a punishment standpoint. Who cares. My problem is, is that really why the M1's are over there? To crush cars? That's really a valid use for them.

 

[RabidMongoose]

That's pretty messed up, given what little we see in that clip. You stole some wood, goodbye to your car!

 

[Murphyrulez]

Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Dude, that's awesome...I wanna go play soldier in Iraq! It's like a videogame...

Yeah, I don't understand all the outrage over the crushing of the car from the livelihood standpoint, or a punishment standpoint. Who cares. My problem is, is that really why the M1's are over there? To crush cars? That's really a valid use for them.

Are you really asking this question? What do you think they do with M1 tanks? They blow sh1t up. They kill bad guys.
If they have to crush a car and it happens to be in front of a PBS camera, who cares?

Also, I STILL haven't seen an answer to the question, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SHOW PEOPLE NOT TO LOOT, WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE.

I'll bet your ass that the people who saw that happen aren't going to be looting anytime soon.

 

[Vonkhan]

WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SHOW PEOPLE NOT TO LOOT, WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE

I dunno, what do they in most countries?

The next time a student assistant takes home a pen from the office, I'm gonna run over his computer with my truck! That'll teach him not to steal. yay!

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SHOW PEOPLE NOT TO LOOT, WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE

I dunno, what do they in most countries?

The next time a student assistant takes home a pen from the office, I'm gonna run over his computer with my truck! That'll teach him not to steal. yay!

I thought you had a Tempo, or something like that? In which case, the computer might run over YOU! (kinda like in Russia...)

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Murphyrulez

Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Dude, that's awesome...I wanna go play soldier in Iraq! It's like a videogame...

Yeah, I don't understand all the outrage over the crushing of the car from the livelihood standpoint, or a punishment standpoint. Who cares. My problem is, is that really why the M1's are over there? To crush cars? That's really a valid use for them.

Are you really asking this question? What do you think they do with M1 tanks? They blow sh1t up. They kill bad guys.
If they have to crush a car and it happens to be in front of a PBS camera, who cares?

Also, I STILL haven't seen an answer to the question, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SHOW PEOPLE NOT TO LOOT, WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE.

I'll bet your ass that the people who saw that happen aren't going to be looting anytime soon.

Actually, I beg to differ.

The dude now has no car and no way to make money. What is he going to do now? Steal.

Not to mention they're going to spread stories about the american trash that destroyed their sh!t.

Just look at the big picture. Instead of doing that to already suffering people, they should have told them to put the wood back, and given them some or something.

That would have at least spread stories about the helpful Americans.

Think, people. I think they should have just taken it away and told them to be on their way. Their actions did not solve anything. All it did was make the Iraqi's angry, and promote the spread of hate. Christ.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Murphyrulez

Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Dude, that's awesome...I wanna go play soldier in Iraq! It's like a videogame...

Yeah, I don't understand all the outrage over the crushing of the car from the livelihood standpoint, or a punishment standpoint. Who cares. My problem is, is that really why the M1's are over there? To crush cars? That's really a valid use for them.

Are you really asking this question? What do you think they do with M1 tanks? They blow sh1t up. They kill bad guys.
If they have to crush a car and it happens to be in front of a PBS camera, who cares?

Also, I STILL haven't seen an answer to the question, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SHOW PEOPLE NOT TO LOOT, WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE.

I'll bet your ass that the people who saw that happen aren't going to be looting anytime soon.

Actually, I beg to differ.

The dude now has no car and no way to make money. What is he going to do now? Steal.

Not to mention they're going to spread stories about the american trash that destroyed their sh!t.

Just look at the big picture. Instead of doing that to already suffering people, they should have told them to put the wood back, and given them some or something.

That would have at least spread stories about the helpful Americans.

Think, people.

You're right, they should have just shot the bastard.

 

[maddogchen]

I thought running the car over with a tank, and then backing over it again was funny. But I also thought the crime didn't fit the punishment.

But what really surprised me was the way the soldiers talked. They sounded like they were from the hood! I thought that was funny.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Murphyrulez

Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Dude, that's awesome...I wanna go play soldier in Iraq! It's like a videogame...

Yeah, I don't understand all the outrage over the crushing of the car from the livelihood standpoint, or a punishment standpoint. Who cares. My problem is, is that really why the M1's are over there? To crush cars? That's really a valid use for them.

Are you really asking this question? What do you think they do with M1 tanks? They blow sh1t up. They kill bad guys.
If they have to crush a car and it happens to be in front of a PBS camera, who cares?

Also, I STILL haven't seen an answer to the question, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SHOW PEOPLE NOT TO LOOT, WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE.

I'll bet your ass that the people who saw that happen aren't going to be looting anytime soon.

Actually, I beg to differ.

The dude now has no car and no way to make money. What is he going to do now? Steal.

Not to mention they're going to spread stories about the american trash that destroyed their sh!t.

Just look at the big picture. Instead of doing that to already suffering people, they should have told them to put the wood back, and given them some or something.

That would have at least spread stories about the helpful Americans.

Think, people. I think they should have just taken it away and told them to be on their way. Their actions did not solve anything. All it did was make the Iraqi's angry, and promote the spread of hate. Christ.

What about the Iraqis getting their sh!t stolen thinking that Americans are not doing enough to protect their property. Couldn't they just as easily become anti-American suicide bombers?? After you tell the looters to leave they will just come back later. Its a lot harder to carry all that wood any distance without a car.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Murphyrulez

Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Dude, that's awesome...I wanna go play soldier in Iraq! It's like a videogame...

Yeah, I don't understand all the outrage over the crushing of the car from the livelihood standpoint, or a punishment standpoint. Who cares. My problem is, is that really why the M1's are over there? To crush cars? That's really a valid use for them.

Are you really asking this question? What do you think they do with M1 tanks? They blow sh1t up. They kill bad guys.
If they have to crush a car and it happens to be in front of a PBS camera, who cares?

Also, I STILL haven't seen an answer to the question, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SHOW PEOPLE NOT TO LOOT, WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE.

I'll bet your ass that the people who saw that happen aren't going to be looting anytime soon.

Jail them. Fine them. Whatever. What they did was a little extreme, especially for stealing wood. And how do we know that this was done in front of a large audience to show everyone that stealing is bad? They can give them some other sort of punishment. Maybe some sort of mandatory service.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Nebor

You're right, they should have just shot the bastard.

WTF is wrong with you people?

Unless my sarcasm meter needs new batteries.. heh

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Murphyrulez

Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Dude, that's awesome...I wanna go play soldier in Iraq! It's like a videogame...

Yeah, I don't understand all the outrage over the crushing of the car from the livelihood standpoint, or a punishment standpoint. Who cares. My problem is, is that really why the M1's are over there? To crush cars? That's really a valid use for them.

Are you really asking this question? What do you think they do with M1 tanks? They blow sh1t up. They kill bad guys.
If they have to crush a car and it happens to be in front of a PBS camera, who cares?

Also, I STILL haven't seen an answer to the question, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SHOW PEOPLE NOT TO LOOT, WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE.

I'll bet your ass that the people who saw that happen aren't going to be looting anytime soon.

Jail them. Fine them. Whatever. What they did was a little extreme, especially for stealing wood. And how do we know that this was done in front of a large audience to show everyone that stealing is bad? They can give them some other sort of punishment. Maybe some sort of mandatory service.

I guess that would depend on when this happened. I doubt he had money to pay a fine and with the amount of looting going on in the beginning it would almost impossible to jail/house/feed everyone who was doing it. The infrastructure is not there to handle such things.

 

[Murphyrulez]

You guys do realize that this ISN'T HAPPENING IN A CIVILIZED COUNTRY. There is no law. There is no police to come arrest a looter!!! Come on!!! It's fine to say "The next time a student assistant takes home a pen from the office, I'm gonna run over his computer with my truck! That'll teach him not to steal. yay!" When you are sitting here in comfy America where you can sue someone for looking at you funny. Over there, they aren't gonna arrest the guy and put him in some non-existent jail with non-existent jailers. They had to punish them right then, right there.

So once again, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE. Slap his hand? Look the other way?

Think about it people. Think AROUND YOUR need to see everything from your armchair with blinders on. Put yourself in the position of an Army soldier in Iraq when that video was shot.

But you won't, because it's too easy to sit here and cry foul.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Murphyrulez

Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Dude, that's awesome...I wanna go play soldier in Iraq! It's like a videogame...

Yeah, I don't understand all the outrage over the crushing of the car from the livelihood standpoint, or a punishment standpoint. Who cares. My problem is, is that really why the M1's are over there? To crush cars? That's really a valid use for them.

Are you really asking this question? What do you think they do with M1 tanks? They blow sh1t up. They kill bad guys.
If they have to crush a car and it happens to be in front of a PBS camera, who cares?

Also, I STILL haven't seen an answer to the question, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SHOW PEOPLE NOT TO LOOT, WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE.

I'll bet your ass that the people who saw that happen aren't going to be looting anytime soon.

Jail them. Fine them. Whatever. What they did was a little extreme, especially for stealing wood. And how do we know that this was done in front of a large audience to show everyone that stealing is bad? They can give them some other sort of punishment. Maybe some sort of mandatory service.

I guess that would depend on when this happened. I doubt he had money to pay a fine and with the amount of looting going on in the beginning it would almost impossible to jail/house/feed everyone who was doing it. The infrastructure is not there to handle such things.

If he's too poor to pay a fine, then they definitely shouldn't have destroyed his car. What they did to him was pretty extreme. There may not have been a good solution for punishment, but destorying his CAR because he stole WOOD is ridiculous.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Murphyrulez
You guys do realize that this ISN'T HAPPENING IN A CIVILIZED COUNTRY. There is no law. There is no police to come arrest a looter!!! Come on!!! It's fine to say "The next time a student assistant takes home a pen from the office, I'm gonna run over his computer with my truck! That'll teach him not to steal. yay!" When you are sitting here in comfy America where you can sue someone for looking at you funny. Over there, they aren't gonna arrest the guy and put him in some non-existent jail with non-existent jailers. They had to punish them right then, right there.

So once again, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE. Slap his hand? Look the other way?

Think about it people. Think AROUND YOUR need to see everything from your armchair with blinders on. Put yourself in the position of an Army soldier in Iraq when that video was shot.

But you won't, because it's too easy to sit here and cry foul.

Call me crazy, but maybe they should have just punctured his tires or something. It may be stupid, but seems a lot better than shooting the car and then rolling over it with a tank because some guys stole wood.