What the fvck is wrong with the Catholics?

[onebeeer2many]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

If someone has accepted Catholicism as their spiritual path they are obligated to believe Timmy will burn in hell along with every Buddhist, Muslim, Shintoist, Athiest, Agnostic, Protestant, etc. who doesn't follow the letter of their law. Catholicism is an autocratic faith where open-mindedness is rebellion against divinely inspired truth, and away from the path to salvation.

Wrong. Catholicism is founded on the idea that whatever your sins are, you can be forgiven as long as you accept God. No catholic is "obligated to believe" that anyone will burn in hell. That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard.

It's funny how gay-bashing around here gets you banned, but bashing religion is somehow accepted. It's one thing to not share the same beliefs as someone, but to mock people about it is rude.

No, you are WRONG. I had Catholic Doctrine literally BEAT into my head for 13 years.

According to THEM, ALL other religions are false and God will deny you entry into heaven for believing in them. And "GOD" is THEIR God, I.E. the Roman Catholic God that died and rose after three days in the grave. According to the Catholics, there is ONE correct religion; Catholicism. Not "Christianity" not "Baptist" "Buddhist" etc.

IMO ALL organized religion stinks and is for weak people, but that's not the topic; me making you look stuipid is.

That's not what was beat into my head. Ive attended other Christian congregations and they do say that, they even make fun of Catholics but I don't remember being told that in the Catholic church.

You obviously did not attend my old fashioned Catholic School/Church. I remember (vaguely, admittedly) them saying mass in LATIN. If you SNEEZED, they'd smack you b/c it was the devil communicating thru you.

BTW, a "Christian" church is the biggest crock of sh1t of them all. They take the safe middle ground; "We're for Jesus!! Not any "church!" is their buy-line! :roll:

IMO, the only people who have a leg to stand on when it comes to saying " I know stuff about the Catholic church" are former Catholics, Protestants and Lutherans. Those three are very close in their (bullshiit) beliefs.

Latin? :Q Thats probably why then... that must mean you're pretty old too...

Well, yeah. So is the Catholic Church. A couple of THOUSAND years old, last time I checked. I can only hope that I see the day when they disband...like a drug-addled group of aging rockers, they are well past their prime. Hell, we've got The Internet for our own Personal Jesus now!!!! Who needs God? As long as my DSLAM is working, I don't need no stinkin' God!

Well I was raised with it, but then again I'm not even a practicing Catholic... I think I can pretty much say I know what right and wrong is just like everyone else, I just don't like it when churches make these laws out of nowhere just because they can.

these laws of the catholic church were not made for no reason, the reasons specifically were to control the masses and continue to keep the catholic fatih growing at a time when religion and faith were used much like goverments and politics are used today...

don't ask me for the history lesson tho because iI was never any good at it. but I was in catholic school from k-12 so some of it stuck to me

So was I... Unfortunately.

I'm not saying all their laws have no purpose but there are some I just don't agree with or understand , I suppose its all politics.

i can say @ the age of 23 i became catholic. I felt that if i was going to be apart of a church that i would choose the one that has been around since the the begining. meaning every other religion out there is a spawn of the catholic church. One would spawn off then someone would not like the way things were being done and they would spawn off or they did not interpret the same script so they would spawn off.

I will say that i researched many different religions including satanism. I have always been curious about the way the word GOD will make a group of people turn into fanatics. I have never and will never judge or bad mouth someone because of the choices they make or do not make when it comes to the God.

I can say that the fact that you have to go thru RCIA to become catholic ( a 12 week course held by the church to explain their beliefs and their "rituals") was a definite intrest tweaker for me because no other faith makes you do that they will just allow you to join. which to most is better than the 12 week course but to me it allowed for me to make sure that this was a decision that i understood fully and wanted to go forth with.

Anyways everyone has their own choices inlife and allow for them to do it cause we all know if this was talking about the show friends or seinfeld none of you would be bad mouthing the other just because they choose a different tv show than you. So everyone just relax and have a beer on me!! :beer:

 

[thejackal1]

I'm Catholic and I think that is fvcked up.

 

[Wahsapa]

Originally posted by: onebeeer2many

i can say @ the age of 23 i became catholic. I felt that if i was going to be apart of a church that i would choose the one that has been around since the the begining. meaning every other religion out there is a spawn of the catholic church. One would spawn off then someone would not like the way things were being done and they would spawn off or they did not interpret the same script so they would spawn off.

I will say that i researched many different religions including satanism. I have always been curious about the way the word GOD will make a group of people turn into fanatics. I have never and will never judge or bad mouth someone because of the choices they make or do not make when it comes to the God.

I can say that the fact that you have to go thru RCIA to become catholic ( a 12 week course held by the church to explain their beliefs and their "rituals") was a definite intrest tweaker for me because no other faith makes you do that they will just allow you to join. which to most is better than the 12 week course but to me it allowed for me to make sure that this was a decision that i understood fully and wanted to go forth with.

Anyways everyone has their own choices inlife and allow for them to do it cause we all know if this was talking about the show friends or seinfeld none of you would be bad mouthing the other just because they choose a different tv show than you. So everyone just relax and have a beer on me!! :beer:

woah woah woah. back up. its started from peter, that doesnt make it 'right from the start' i seem to remember a shitload of dissagrements between him and jesus. fanatical even. to an extent the catholic church of today wasnt the one he(peter) started(does that make it more or less right?). judaism and hinduism have been around for far longer then catholisim, did you research into thoes? or did you just keep it to the ones that followed jesus. what about islam? they seem far more devout to their ideals than catholics. i think praying 5 times a day beats out a 12 week crash course; bar mistzvahs even seem, to me, a little more engaging to the fellowship(or did you want to stay away from the circumsicion, that is, if your not cut already). so what about the 'every other religion.' buddhisms strict diet i find more inline to a life of peace, like a jews kosher meat, like muslims fasting and refusal of pork. what insight have you come to from your research into these 'other' religions.

the catholic churchs band book list i think was the first red flag(for me). to deny a another mans thoughts and works, a book of his knowledge and ideas, of anothers differing point of view, shunned as blasphemy, to be persecuted because of such 'threating' ideas to the church, to be denied free thought. the progress that could have been made had they not murdered scientists in the name of god, is disheatining; who shall forgive the sin's of the catholic church, to them, they are the highist power. the name of god, the word of god... i see no one used it in a more fanatical way then the roman catholic church.

sure, that might have been a 'long time ago'. the damage is done. but does history repeat itself? could these same mistakes be made in a different way(ie: the pedophilic priests and the problem being quietly taken care of). the slave trade, the golden statues that could feed all of africa, the coverups, the principals of the matters. the lamb and the shepard indeed, but could even the sheepard be a wolf in disguise.

im glad you did what you did, you excersied your mind in making a desicion for your soul. and thanks for the beer :beer: but i think ones research into the matter of religion should never stop. this post isnt ment to be threatining in anyway, just questioning, as one man to another. i think your principals and ideas are just as important as mine.

 

[ColdFusion718]

OMG, it's not what you eat or whatever. The ceremony means jack squat if one's heart isn't in it. God can really give a sh!t about the stupid ceremonies and tidbits we humans come up with. The Lord wants our hearts not BS rituals.

 

[Klixxer]

A cult among so many cults. it's like feeding a kid lighter fluid because "the church says so"

In Europe we have used glutene free for decades.

 

[Wahsapa]

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
OMG, it's not what you eat or whatever. The ceremony means jack squat if one's heart isn't in it. God can really give a sh!t about the stupid ceremonies and tidbits we humans come up with. The Lord wants our hearts not BS rituals.

right, especially since they(the rituals) were made before even allergies were thought of and scientifically proven.

 

[MillionaireNextDoor]

in the end, communion alone won't save you.

 

[onebeeer2many]

Originally posted by: Wahsapa

Originally posted by: onebeeer2many

i can say @ the age of 23 i became catholic. I felt that if i was going to be apart of a church that i would choose the one that has been around since the the begining. meaning every other religion out there is a spawn of the catholic church. One would spawn off then someone would not like the way things were being done and they would spawn off or they did not interpret the same script so they would spawn off.

I will say that i researched many different religions including satanism. I have always been curious about the way the word GOD will make a group of people turn into fanatics. I have never and will never judge or bad mouth someone because of the choices they make or do not make when it comes to the God.

I can say that the fact that you have to go thru RCIA to become catholic ( a 12 week course held by the church to explain their beliefs and their "rituals") was a definite intrest tweaker for me because no other faith makes you do that they will just allow you to join. which to most is better than the 12 week course but to me it allowed for me to make sure that this was a decision that i understood fully and wanted to go forth with.

Anyways everyone has their own choices inlife and allow for them to do it cause we all know if this was talking about the show friends or seinfeld none of you would be bad mouthing the other just because they choose a different tv show than you. So everyone just relax and have a beer on me!! :beer:

woah woah woah. back up. its started from peter, that doesnt make it 'right from the start' i seem to remember a shitload of dissagrements between him and jesus. fanatical even. to an extent the catholic church of today wasnt the one he(peter) started(does that make it more or less right?). judaism and hinduism have been around for far longer then catholisim, did you research into thoes? or did you just keep it to the ones that followed jesus. what about islam? they seem far more devout to their ideals than catholics. i think praying 5 times a day beats out a 12 week crash course; bar mistzvahs even seem, to me, a little more engaging to the fellowship(or did you want to stay away from the circumsicion, that is, if your not cut already). so what about the 'every other religion.' buddhisms strict diet i find more inline to a life of peace, like a jews kosher meat, like muslims fasting and refusal of pork. what insight have you come to from your research into these 'other' religions.

the catholic churchs band book list i think was the first red flag(for me). to deny a another mans thoughts and works, a book of his knowledge and ideas, of anothers differing point of view, shunned as blasphemy, to be persecuted because of such 'threating' ideas to the church, to be denied free thought. the progress that could have been made had they not murdered scientists in the name of god, is disheatining; who shall forgive the sin's of the catholic church, to them, they are the highist power. the name of god, the word of god... i see no one used it in a more fanatical way then the roman catholic church.

sure, that might have been a 'long time ago'. the damage is done. but does history repeat itself? could these same mistakes be made in a different way(ie: the pedophilic priests and the problem being quietly taken care of). the slave trade, the golden statues that could feed all of africa, the coverups, the principals of the matters. the lamb and the shepard indeed, but could even the sheepard be a wolf in disguise.

im glad you did what you did, you excersied your mind in making a desicion for your soul. and thanks for the beer :beer: but i think ones research into the matter of religion should never stop. this post isnt ment to be threatining in anyway, just questioning, as one man to another. i think your principals and ideas are just as important as mine.

cheers :beer:

 

[Klixxer]

This post made me change my mind regarding the ban of assault weapons, they should be allowed for specific use.

 

[boggsie]

Selected verses from Matthew 23 NIV

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

 

[vood0g]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
If god had WANTED her to eat the damn wafer, he wouldn't have made her allergic to them, now WOULD HE!?!??:Q:roll:

LOL

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: boggsie
Selected verses from Matthew 23 NIV

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

Sexual treatment neaded, STAT!

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
If god had WANTED her to eat the damn wafer, he wouldn't have made her allergic to them, now WOULD HE!?!??:Q:roll:

Sometimes, my friend you are fvcking genious! LMAO x10+

 

[AcidicFury]

Originally posted by: Sophia
Back to the original article,

[The] mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition should not exclude her from the sacrament, which commemorates the Last Supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion. The mother believes a rice Communion wafer would suffice.

Setting aside the whole issue of wheat-only hosts, how is she being "excluded from the sacrament?" Catholic communion is 100% valid under the species of wine only. The diocese made this option available, and the mother turned it down.

Exactly. This entire thread is moot because the mother could have let her daughter drink the communal wine. It's not the Catholic way that's stupid in this case, its stubborn mothers.

 

[Spamela]

Originally posted by: Sophia
Back to the original article,

[The] mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition should not exclude her from the sacrament, which commemorates the Last Supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion. The mother believes a rice Communion wafer would suffice.

Setting aside the whole issue of wheat-only hosts, how is she being "excluded from the sacrament?" Catholic communion is 100% valid under the species of wine only. The diocese made this option available, and the mother turned it down.

this is one of the few sane posts in this thread, but
you'd have to be Catholic to know it.

 

[DougK62]

Seems silly, but it's no worse than any of the other Christian denominations. They all have their quirks that look funny to outsiders. All of you supposed Christians that bash Catholicism for fun and say they aren't "real" Christians are the worst losers of the bunch.

 

[Jzero]

What I can't figure out is why these days with dwindling numbers and more and more egg on their faces they are stupidly chasing away members. Real smart.
Friends of mine, one Catholic, went to see a priest about getting married and he basically told them "You will never last as a couple because she isn't Catholic, so you guys won't be married if I have anything to say about it."

That guy had a choice - get another person to join, or force both to leave, and he took the latter. Likewise, they are chasing families away just to cling to dogma that is not based on scripture! So much for Christian tenets like love and accepting all people :roll:

 

[Kelemvor]

Originally posted by: myusername
Just think of it as a blessing in disguise

Exactly!!

Run away!!

My wife was rasised Catholic and she realized that it's all about putting on a neat show and not much about actually worshipping God or anything else. We now go to a non-denominational church and we LOVE it!

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
My best friend is a Catholic and the sh1t they come up with just blows my mind........she and I have had several long talks about her religion and I always end up with a MASSIVE headache

AHAHAHA...

Like ANY religious nutballs are better...

<---- non practising/believing/whatever Irish Roman Catholic..

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: Spamela

Originally posted by: Sophia
Back to the original article,

[The] mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition should not exclude her from the sacrament, which commemorates the Last Supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion. The mother believes a rice Communion wafer would suffice.

Setting aside the whole issue of wheat-only hosts, how is she being "excluded from the sacrament?" Catholic communion is 100% valid under the species of wine only. The diocese made this option available, and the mother turned it down.

this is one of the few sane posts in this thread, but you'd have to be Catholic to know it.

Most people in ATOT talk out their asses and think they know everything, when in reality they dont. As mentioned in the quoted text, wine is a perfectly acceptible substitute, but the mother didnt allow it.


Just to go off on a bit of a tangent, I really fvcking hate threads like this. The title is meant to enrage all Catholics to get them to post, and get all the Catholic bashers to say "YEAH SEE I TOLD YOU RELIGION IZ 4 SHEEP" and come in and post that. Instead of posting a tame thread like "What's the deal with this?" and honestly questioning what happened, you immediately turn it into Side A vs Side B. Of course, the article itself lends to that as well, so Shinerburke may have just been played by the AP. It happens in these forums all the time and honestly, it's almost not worth hanging around to hear some teenagers spout what they think they know about religion.

You children should remember: Religion and Politics are two things people are very passionate about. Dont discuss them in mixed company.

 

[Ynog]

Originally posted by: Spamela

Originally posted by: Sophia
Back to the original article,

[The] mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition should not exclude her from the sacrament, which commemorates the Last Supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion. The mother believes a rice Communion wafer would suffice.

Setting aside the whole issue of wheat-only hosts, how is she being "excluded from the sacrament?" Catholic communion is 100% valid under the species of wine only. The diocese made this option available, and the mother turned it down.

this is one of the few sane posts in this thread, but
you'd have to be Catholic to know it.

Ding Ding Ding.

As a catholic, i was alittle upset when I first read the article. Then I reread it.
Then I thought about it. While alot of people don't like what happened.
The Catholic Church is run much like a country. It has its own doctrines that it
follows. And guess what, local priests and bishops cannot override the doctrines
they don't want to follow or believe in. That decision has to be made by the Vatican itself.
Now the decision the Vatican makes can be up for criticism. But IMHO the priest that
violated the doctrine is no different than an elected official in this country ignoring a law
because he doesn't believe in it.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Spamela

Originally posted by: Sophia
Back to the original article,

[The] mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition should not exclude her from the sacrament, which commemorates the Last Supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion. The mother believes a rice Communion wafer would suffice.

Setting aside the whole issue of wheat-only hosts, how is she being "excluded from the sacrament?" Catholic communion is 100% valid under the species of wine only. The diocese made this option available, and the mother turned it down.

this is one of the few sane posts in this thread, but you'd have to be Catholic to know it.

Most people in ATOT talk out their asses and think they know everything, when in reality they dont. As mentioned in the quoted text, wine is a perfectly acceptible substitute, but the mother didnt allow it.


Just to go off on a bit of a tangent, I really fvcking hate threads like this. The title is meant to enrage all Catholics to get them to post, and get all the Catholic bashers to say "YEAH SEE I TOLD YOU RELIGION IZ 4 SHEEP" and come in and post that. Instead of posting a tame thread like "What's the deal with this?" and honestly questioning what happened, you immediately turn it into Side A vs Side B. Of course, the article itself lends to that as well, so Shinerburke may have just been played by the AP. It happens in these forums all the time and honestly, it's almost not worth hanging around to hear some teenagers spout what they think they know about religion.

You children should remember: Religion and Politics are two things people are very passionate about. Dont discuss them in mixed company.

Here's a ladder....now get off your high horse.

 

[Spamela]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Spamela

Originally posted by: Sophia
Back to the original article,

[The] mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition should not exclude her from the sacrament, which commemorates the Last Supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion. The mother believes a rice Communion wafer would suffice.

Setting aside the whole issue of wheat-only hosts, how is she being "excluded from the sacrament?" Catholic communion is 100% valid under the species of wine only. The diocese made this option available, and the mother turned it down.

this is one of the few sane posts in this thread, but you'd have to be Catholic to know it.

Most people in ATOT talk out their asses and think they know everything, when in reality they dont. As mentioned in the quoted text, wine is a perfectly acceptible substitute, but the mother didnt allow it.


Just to go off on a bit of a tangent, I really fvcking hate threads like this. The title is meant to enrage all Catholics to get them to post, and get all the Catholic bashers to say "YEAH SEE I TOLD YOU RELIGION IZ 4 SHEEP" and come in and post that. Instead of posting a tame thread like "What's the deal with this?" and honestly questioning what happened, you immediately turn it into Side A vs Side B. Of course, the article itself lends to that as well, so Shinerburke may have just been played by the AP. It happens in these forums all the time and honestly, it's almost not worth hanging around to hear some teenagers spout what they think they know about religion.

You children should remember: Religion and Politics are two things people are very passionate about. Dont discuss them in mixed company.

the number of non-Catholic "experts" on Catholicism on ATOT
and in the real world always astounds me.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Here's a ladder....now get off your high horse.

What a fantastic reply.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: Spamela
the number of non-Catholic "experts" on Catholicism on ATOT
and in the real world always astounds me.

:beer: