What strategy is best to deal with Islam? (POLL)

[2Xtreme21]

So Pat Robertson's Christianity is a problem but Islam is not?

Wow, you're not only a dumbass, but an illiterate one at that.

Both of them exist to further their own extremist agenda under the guise of religion. You morons can't see through that and are doing exactly what both of them want... letting extremist thought be at the forefront of a far more moderate religious entity.

 

[Jaskalas]

Where's the spread education and knowledge option? Religion falls apart when people are educated.

The violence they reap in their own countries will prevent such measures.

 

[Infohawk]

Wow, you're not only a dumbass, but an illiterate one at that.

Ummm... you start off by saying that nobody has shown how Islam is a problem. Then you yourself point out that it is a vehicle for the radical fringe. You answered your own question.

Let me spell it out for you: Islam is an irrational superstition that helps drive people to commit violent acts against the West. That is a problem for me.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Let me spell it out for you: Islam is an irrational superstition that helps drive people to commit violent acts against the West. That is a problem for me.

Christianity is an irrational superstition that helps drive people to rape children. That is a problem for me.

 

[spacejamz]

I've read every post in this thread, and no one has said where exactly Islam, the religion = problem. I don't care how fancy-worded your posts are, you're still being dumbasses and relating the .001% fringe lunatic factions of a religion to dominate your entire thought process.

Osama bin Laden is the Pat Robertson of the Islamic faith. The funny part is? Both of them exist to further their own extremist agenda under the guise of religion. You morons can't see through that and are doing exactly what both of them want... letting extremist thought be at the forefront of a far more moderate religious entity.

I don't see Pat Robertson's followers threatening violence and attacking foreign embassies because of some cartoons...I don't see Pat Robertson's followers emigrating to new countries and instead of acclimating themselves to the culture of the country they moved into on their own free will, they have the gall to demand that these new countries accept their laws and their traditions...I don't see Pat Robertson's followers calling for the death of individuals who write articles that criticize Pat's beliefs...

 

[Infohawk]

Christianity is an irrational superstition that helps drive people to rape children. That is a problem for me.

So you were just being intellectually dishonest about Islam not being a threat? It seems like you understand the concept of how religions can be dangerous. (That or you're just being sarcastic because you are not able to make real arguments.)

 

[2Xtreme21]

So you were just being intellectually dishonest about Islam not being a threat? It seems like you understand the concept of how religions can be dangerous. (That or you're just being sarcastic because you are not able to make real arguments.)

As I stated in my first post that you still didn't seem to see, I see both of them as threats. And I'm saying mass generalizations are just about the most childish thing that can be said. You're seriously saying 1.6 billion people (the number of followers of Islam) all have the same goal of 'harming the west"?!

I'm not disagreeing that the fringe do. But I'm saying the fringe of any faction (Liberal, Conservative, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Anarchist, etc. etc.) all have their ideas of overthrowing the moderate majority and instituting their own ideas. I'm saying the likes of Osama bin Laden have succeeded in labeling Islam as the religion of violence and generally scaring the shit out of everyone. But in the same vain, you ask any Sunday churchgoer if military funerals should be protested because the government sponsors homosexuality and if all priests should be allowed to rape their altar boys, you will get resounding disapproval... just like if you'd ask your typical mosque-goer if s/he praises the attacks of 9/11.

 

[Infohawk]

The same thing can be said for the Soviet Union. I'd imagine the vast majority of the 290 million didn't want war with the West and didn't even support Soviet-style communism. That doesn't mean you treat the Soviet Union like it's a puppy dog or not see communism as a threat.

And at some point, a "faction" as you put it must take responsibility for its fringes. If the USA's Christians started going overseas to kill people, I'd hold the US and average Americans largely responsible for allowing that to happen. Just like I hold the US government responsible for collateral damage during the unjust Iraqi war.

 

[2Xtreme21]

That analogy doesn't exist in Islam. There is no Islamic government that sponsors the ideas of extremism (no matter what anyone might tell you). It's a religion... akin to a race or a sexual orientation. The Taliban in Afghanistan were about the closest I can see to a terrorist state, and we dealt with them (which I supported).

 

[Infohawk]

That analogy doesn't exist in Islam. There is no Islamic government that sponsors the ideas of extremism (no matter what anyone might tell you). It's a religion... akin to a race or a sexual orientation. The Taliban in Afghanistan were about the closest I can see to a terrorist state, and we dealt with them (which I supported).

There are territories that are the homes of Islamists. To the extent the governments (which are in many case officially Islamic) can't stop factions within their territory from attacking the West, these entire territories should be contained.

And no religion is not like race or sexual orientation. It's a choice. You can change your religion. You cannot change your race or sexual orientation.

 

[piasabird]

Pull out all troops from the Middle East and let them have it all.
Expell all people (Foreign nationals) of middle eastern discent from the United States. (Includes Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Syria, jordan, etc.)
Do not allow any eductation Visas From Muslim Countries or any work visas.
Secure our borders.
Do good police work.
Close all muslim places of worship that preach hate and murder or allow these kinds of conversations. No church that preaches violence should be recognized as a church, it should instead be recognized as a terrorist organization. If they preach Sharia Law they preach hate and violence.
Outlaw Burqa's or covering the face with a veil or other attire covering the face. Allow police to ask anyone to show their face on request to ascertain Identity/or take a picture for an ID Card.
Do not allow any organizations or media to represent the Muslim point of view or to air Muslim violent propaganda.
Block all websites with Muslim violent Propaganda, even if we have to locate and bomb their servers.

Evil men and Evil Women propagate hate and murder. It has nothing to do with religion. However, often leaders of countries used religion as an excuse to kill, rape and murder, or to subjegate women or oppress people. Often people with hate in their hearts use their power to change religion into hate. This is always used as a ruse to gain power over other people. It is evil Men that do these evil things. Just look to politicians to understand how this works.

 

[2Xtreme21]

There are territories that are the homes of Islamists. To the extent the governments (which are in many case officially Islamic) can't stop factions within their territory from attacking the West, these entire territories should be contained.

And no religion is not like race or sexual orientation. It's a choice. You can change your religion. You cannot change your race or sexual orientation.

You're back to generalizing again. Again, this is fringe. Should the UK have invaded Ireland during the IRA's terrorist attacks in the 20th century? Ireland was unable to contain the radical fringe, but the UK did the sensible thing of containing and fighting the extremists. Sure they could have carpet bombed Dublin and started an unnecessary war, but would that make sense?

This is back to that whole "well if we exterminate everyone in the world, we're bound to get some bad people" logic.

 

[Infohawk]

You're back to generalizing again. Again, this is fringe. Should the UK have invaded Ireland during the IRA's terrorist attacks in the 20th century? Ireland was unable to contain the radical fringe, but the UK did the sensible thing of containing and fighting the extremists. Sure they could have carpet bombed Dublin and started an unnecessary war, but would that make sense?

This is back to that whole "well if we exterminate everyone in the world, we're bound to get some bad people" logic.

Uhhh nowhere have I advocated invasion or even intervention. You may want to look at my posts and who voted for which poll options again. Honestly, did you really read all the posts like you said you did? The UK-Ireland example is a terrible analogy.

 

[CanOWorms]

WHAT? Are Germans flying planes into America and calling for the destruction of America?

Yes, there are Germans calling for the destruction of America. People living in Germany also flew planes into the WTC.

No. Drawing parallels between a tribal desert kingdom to a sovereign, respectable European democracy makes you look like an idiot.

Both had unreasonable policies that radicalized people into terrorists. Seems to be quite the similarity.

Wrong. Germany has no government policies that are radicalizing people to kill Americans.

Of course it does. That's why so many of the 9/11 terrorists were radicalized there.

What? If Europe was an Islamic cesspool with a history of violence against America, then yes.

Europe has a long history of violence against America. How many Americans have died for European wars? A lot more than any other.

I mean are you seriously saying the Europeans - the "we surrender" continent - poses a threat to Americans?

Yes, they radicalize people into attacking Americans.

Want to...oh, maybe...provide some proof to support such an absurd argument?

Mohammed Atta, who just happened to be the ringleader of the 9/11 terrorists.

We protect and go to war on behalf of Saudi arabia. We don't support Europe nor do we go to war on behalf of it.

Of course we do. American history in the 20th century has been about sending young Americans to die for European interests. WWI, WWII, Cold War, Serbia, NATO, etc.

If Germany was home to Al-Qaeda, and was a prolific-state sponsor of terror....then yeah, I'd agree.

Al-Qaeda has no centralized location.

But we don't protect Germany. Germany has the 3rd largest military in Europe.

We have military bases all over Germany.

Yeah, it's home is Saudi Arabia. Its leaders are almost entirely Saudi.

So?

It's philosophy - Wahhabism - is of Saudi origin.

It's all about the money. Al-Qaeda is going bankrupt because of US lawfare...it's all about the money. You take away the money and support for Al-Qaedas benefactors (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc..), al-qaeda disappears.

9/11 cost what...700k+ to plot, train, etc..?

terrorists dont work for free.

no one does.

That doesn't matter. Many of them are radicalized within Europe.

You can take away all the US benefits, and nothing would happen. Who do you think Iran's biggest trading partner is? It's the EU! They are deeply ingrained within the Middle East.

 

[iGas]

IMHO, American is a threat to everyone globally.

 

[spacejamz]

IMHO, American is a threat to everyone globally.

I wonder why this threat is always the biggest giver of donations (in terms of money, food, supplies, man power, etc) to any global catastrophe?

When the next earthquake or tsunami hits, this 'threat' should just sit on it ass and let the rest of the world take care of itself...

fvckin ingrates...

 

[Noobtastic]

Yes, there are Germans calling for the destruction of America. People living in Germany also flew planes into the WTC.



Both had unreasonable policies that radicalized people into terrorists. Seems to be quite the similarity.



Of course it does. That's why so many of the 9/11 terrorists were radicalized there.



Europe has a long history of violence against America. How many Americans have died for European wars? A lot more than any other.



Yes, they radicalize people into attacking Americans.



Mohammed Atta, who just happened to be the ringleader of the 9/11 terrorists.



Of course we do. American history in the 20th century has been about sending young Americans to die for European interests. WWI, WWII, Cold War, Serbia, NATO, etc.



Al-Qaeda has no centralized location.



We have military bases all over Germany.



That doesn't matter. Many of them are radicalized within Europe.

You can take away all the US benefits, and nothing would happen. Who do you think Iran's biggest trading partner is? It's the EU! They are deeply ingrained within the Middle East.

clue less...

 

[iGas]

I wonder why this threat is always the biggest giver of donations (in terms of money, food, supplies, man power, etc) to any global catastrophe?

When the next earthquake or tsunami hits, this 'threat' should just sit on it ass and let the rest of the world take care of itself...

fvckin ingrates...

Yes, it is true that American does provide aids to countries that are in need of help during crisis, but don't fool yourself into thinking that most of those aids are free of strings.

Haven't you ever heard of countries that refused American aids? It is because the attached conditions far out weight the aids turning the countries that in needs into slave for America.

There are no free lunch!

fvckin imbecile.....

 

[Nemesis 1]

Christianity is an irrational superstition that helps drive people to rape children. That is a problem for me.

What was that befor or after your uncle had his way with you.

 

[SamurAchzar]

The fact there are 1.4 billion Muslims (as mentioned in this thread; I have no idea what the accurate number is) has nothing to do with anything. Their number doesn't mean their ideas or morals are any less evil.

The problem is Islam is not just a religion, it's a form of government and an ideology for life. Muslim countries - unlike Christian countries or the single Jewish country - don't know what is separation of church and state or democracy. They are ruled by Islam.

Saying they are not a threat because they have no weapons or technology is super stupid, in light of Iran having ICBMs (nuclear soon), as well as Pakistan and other Muslim states. The other problem with Islam is of expansion; this is done by force (Chechnya) or by immigration (Europe).

What should be done? The solution, with minimal bloodshed:

1. Desert dwellers and ordinary backwards Muslim should be left alone. Don't try to convert them and don't spend money on reeducating them;
2. Muslims should be filtered from immigrating into the Western world;
3. West has to stop PC bullshit and conceptually reject Islam just like it rejected Nazism;
4. The Western world should directly target Muslim countries possessing dangerous arms (Iran, Pakistan again), and neutralize them;
5. Make sure Islam doesn't expand further by supporting non-Muslim allies (such as Israel) that confront Islam;

Then just sit out and let them kill each other using AK's like they do so well.
In 20-30 years, I predict that some Muslims will grow sober and realize they've been screwing themselves.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Wow, I never realized that AT had so many bigoted, racist, ignorant posters here.

Very sad. 🙁

 

[SamurAchzar]

Dumbass.

Go hijack an airliner.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

WHAT? Are Germans flying planes into America and calling for the destruction of America?

No. Drawing parallels between a tribal desert kingdom to a sovereign, respectable European democracy makes you look like an idiot.

I mean a real, detached from reality...idiot.

Seriously. Seek help.



Wrong. Germany has no government policies that are radicalizing people to kill Americans.



What? If Europe was an Islamic cesspool with a history of violence against America, then yes.

I mean are you seriously saying the Europeans - the "we surrender" continent - poses a threat to Americans?

Want to...oh, maybe...provide some proof to support such an absurd argument?

We protect and go to war on behalf of Saudi arabia. We don't support Europe nor do we go to war on behalf of it.

More often that not Europe disagrees with our foreign policy entirely. If anything, they are more pro-Muslim then we ever have been.




If Germany was home to Al-Qaeda, and was a prolific-state sponsor of terror....then yeah, I'd agree.

But we don't protect Germany. Germany has the 3rd largest military in Europe.




Yeah, it's home is Saudi Arabia. Its leaders are almost entirely Saudi.

It's philosophy - Wahhabism - is of Saudi origin.

It's all about the money. Al-Qaeda is going bankrupt because of US lawfare...it's all about the money. You take away the money and support for Al-Qaedas benefactors (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc..), al-qaeda disappears.

9/11 cost what...700k+ to plot, train, etc..?

terrorists dont work for free.

no one does.

You didn't by chance read, Prophet of Doom, did you?

Idiot.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

FUCKING HILARIOUS (if you mean what I think you mean).

 

[SphinxnihpS]

The fact there are 1.4 billion Muslims (as mentioned in this thread; I have no idea what the accurate number is) has nothing to do with anything. Their number doesn't mean their ideas or morals are any less evil.

The problem is Islam is not just a religion, it's a form of government and an ideology for life. Muslim countries - unlike Christian countries or the single Jewish country - don't know what is separation of church and state or democracy. They are ruled by Islam.

Saying they are not a threat because they have no weapons or technology is super stupid, in light of Iran having ICBMs (nuclear soon), as well as Pakistan and other Muslim states. The other problem with Islam is of expansion; this is done by force (Chechnya) or by immigration (Europe).

What should be done? The solution, with minimal bloodshed:

1. Desert dwellers and ordinary backwards Muslim should be left alone. Don't try to convert them and don't spend money on reeducating them;
2. Muslims should be filtered from immigrating into the Western world;
3. West has to stop PC bullshit and conceptually reject Islam just like it rejected Nazism;
4. The Western world should directly target Muslim countries possessing dangerous arms (Iran, Pakistan again), and neutralize them;
5. Make sure Islam doesn't expand further by supporting non-Muslim allies (such as Israel) that confront Islam;

Then just sit out and let them kill each other using AK's like they do so well.
In 20-30 years, I predict that some Muslims will grow sober and realize they've been screwing themselves.

They may have to start awarding the Darwin award biennially.