What strategy is best to deal with Islam? (POLL)

[Muse]

Is this a serious post?

qft

 

[Muse]

I refuse to believe the OP was being serious, it is hard to fathom someone being so stupid.

"Most people don't act stupid; it's the real thing!" - Alfred E. Neuman, from Issue 324, Mad Magazine.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

 

[Infohawk]

Do you realize how stupid your idea is? What about the millions of Muslims that are already living in the US and with US citizenship? What are you going to do about them?

Furthermore, there's nothing you or the US government can do about Islam anyways. Freedom of religion is part of the first amendment of the Constitution.

If you had actually read the rest of the posts you'd have your answer. But you just wanted to hear yourself blather.

 

[sandorski]

Islam is not altogether dissimilar from a foreign nationality. We have successfully in the past, by virtue of our nation's existence, managed to contain the ideas of other foreign nationalities to maintain our own nationality.

This is not that different.

Incorrect

 

[Infohawk]

My strategy isn't an option. Teach reason. Spread the notion that reality is objective and that reason is man's means of knowledge. Teach people around the world how to use reason and to engage in critical thinking.

Give people the tools they need to recognize that their religion is irrational and lacks a foundation in reality. Of course, that would also encourage Christians to become atheist, so it's not going to happen.

I fully support your strategy on the domestic level. But how do you intend to do this abroad?Do you intend to force this on people? If so, I think it falls into the category of regime change.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I fully support your strategy on the domestic level. But how do you intend to do this abroad?Do you intend to force this on people? If so, I think it falls into the category of regime change.

If we did this in the U.S., I think that the ideas from our culture would eventually make their way abroad. Another aspect of this is to lead by example--if we could establish a society and a culture based on reason and rationality so that people would wish they lived in the United States so that they could enjoy the fruits of that culture, it would go a long way. Ultimately the people who have been indoctrinated into the Islamic belief system would need to have a reason to think that there is a better belief system which they might then start investigating.

Perhaps that isn't the best way to deal with Islam, but it seems like the only viable non-violent, non-coercive option.

 

[Noobtastic]

You ever wonder why you don't work for the State Department? If so, those ideas of yours are why.

Persuasive.

the State Department is run by antisemites and idiots.

Remember when the state department saw Israel as a communist threat, and started sandbagging politicians that supported the infant state?

Or when the state department protects Muslim "allies", even covering up their long-history of anti-American violence.

SAUDI ARABIA IS THE PRINCIPAL SPONSOR OF TERRO! 15 out of 19 9/11 hijackers are Saudi. 45% of all foreign fighters in Iraq are Saudi. Al-Qaeda is Saudi, Taliban is Saudi. Pakistan's nuclear program is funded by the Saudis. The Arab islamists murdering the dinkas in Iran are bankrolled by the Saudis.

Saudi Arabia is only second to Iran would it comes to exporting terror.

Is this okay in exchange for OIL WE FOUND?! WE FOUND THEIR OIL! They export it with OUR technology.

We put the terrorists we supposedly fight in power.

It is retarded to sell billions in dollars of weapons to a blatant enemy.

Idiots on the left go on and on about bullshit events like the "liberty incident" but are absolutely indifferent, if not outright supportive, of the Muslim states we arm that pose a direct threat to our civilians.

Whose side are you on anyways?

 

[Viditor]

Islam is not altogether dissimilar from a foreign nationality. We have successfully in the past, by virtue of our nation's existence, managed to contain the ideas of other foreign nationalities to maintain our own nationality.

This is not that different.

Another McCarthy...sigh...

 

[Viditor]

Persuasive.

Whose side are you on anyways?

Unlike yourself (it appears), on the side of America and the ideals upon which she was founded.

 

[CanOWorms]

SAUDI ARABIA IS THE PRINCIPAL SPONSOR OF TERRO! 15 out of 19 9/11 hijackers are Saudi. 45% of all foreign fighters in Iraq are Saudi. Al-Qaeda is Saudi, Taliban is Saudi. Pakistan's nuclear program is funded by the Saudis. The Arab islamists murdering the dinkas in Iran are bankrolled by the Saudis.

Why does it matter what the ethnicity of the hijackers were? We should concentrate on where and why they became radicalized. Certainly some of them may have been within Saudi Arabia.

However, many of them became radicalized in Germany. Germany had even more restrictive minority and immigrant rights at the time. For example, the German state restricted citizenship to ethnicity-based regulations at the time they were radicalized. It seems to me that environment likely had a huge influence.

 

[Infohawk]

Why does it matter what the ethnicity of the hijackers were? We should concentrate on where and why they became radicalized. Certainly some of them may have been within Saudi Arabia.

However, many of them became radicalized in Germany. Germany had even more restrictive minority and immigrant rights at the time. For example, the German state restricted citizenship to ethnicity-based regulations at the time they were radicalized. It seems to me that environment likely had a huge influence.

He wasn't talking about ethnicity he was talking about nationality and related to the "where". Nice try blaming 9/11 of Germany though.

 

[CanOWorms]

He wasn't talking about ethnicity he was talking about nationality and related to the "where". Nice try blaming 9/11 of Germany though.

The same question would result if it is nationality. Just having that citizenship would not radicalize someone.

Germany seems as responsible as Saudi Arabia to me. Both created conditions for radicalization through their dangerous and unreasonable policies.

 

[Noobtastic]

Why does it matter what the ethnicity of the hijackers were? We should concentrate on where and why they became radicalized. Certainly some of them may have been within Saudi Arabia.

Uh, don't you get it? We are allied with a nation whose political philosophy is more in relation to the philosophy of Osama Bin Laden then say...freedom-loving Americans?


Are you too blind with political correctness to realize this? You think our one-sided unconditional relationship for Saudi Arabia didn't...perhaps, oh - I don't know, create a playing field where organizations like AQ pop up and declare war on the infidel?

WE protect the HOME OF AL-QAEDA. Saudi Arabia continues to be a principal sponsor of Al-Qaeda, and the royal family is about to own the majority of British universities.

this is a problem.

However, many of them became radicalized in Germany. Germany had even more restrictive minority and immigrant rights at the time. For example, the German state restricted citizenship to ethnicity-based regulations at the time they were radicalized. It seems to me that environment likely had a huge influence.

wow...way to blame this shit on Germany.

 

[Noobtastic]

Why does it matter what the ethnicity of the hijackers were? We should concentrate on where and why they became radicalized. Certainly some of them may have been within Saudi Arabia.

Uh, don't you get it? We are allied with a nation whose political philosophy is more in relation to the philosophy of Osama Bin Laden then say...freedom-loving Americans?


Are you too blind with political correctness to realize this? You think our one-sided unconditional relationship for Saudi Arabia didn't...perhaps, oh - I don't know, create a playing field where organizations like AQ pop up and declare war on the infidel?

WE protect the HOME OF AL-QAEDA. Saudi Arabia continues to be a principal sponsor of Al-Qaeda, and the royal family is about to own the majority of British universities.

this is a problem.

However, many of them became radicalized in Germany. Germany had even more restrictive minority and immigrant rights at the time. For example, the German state restricted citizenship to ethnicity-based regulations at the time they were radicalized. It seems to me that environment likely had a huge influence.

wow...way to blame this shit on Germany.

 

[CanOWorms]

Uh, don't you get it? We are allied with a nation whose political philosophy is more in relation to the philosophy of Osama Bin Laden then say...freedom-loving Americans?

Same with Germany

Are you too blind with political correctness to realize this? You think our one-sided unconditional relationship for Saudi Arabia didn't...perhaps, oh - I don't know, create a playing field where organizations like AQ pop up and declare war on the infidel?

I did not suggest such a thing. I simply said that it's not nationality or ethnicity, but government policies, and that Germany as well as Saudi Arabia have unreasonable policies which are radicalizing people to kill Americans.

So many terrorists keep popping up all over Europe with intention of striking at US interests. You don't think that perhaps our unconditional relationship with various European countries, such as Germany, is creating a playing field where organizations like AQ wannabes pop up and declare war on the infidel?

WE protect the HOME OF AL-QAEDA. Saudi Arabia continues to be a principal sponsor of Al-Qaeda, and the royal family is about to own the majority of British universities.

We protect Germany, too.

Also, Al-Qaeda is a multinational and stateless organization. It has no single home.

wow...way to blame this shit on Germany.

Ummm.. The German state deserves it. I can't believe people would not put the same blame on Germany but are ok with Saudi Arabia.

The only thing I can think is that they're ok with that b/c Saudi Arabians "look funny"

Both should be at blame here.

 

[Noobtastic]

Same with Germany

WHAT? Are Germans flying planes into America and calling for the destruction of America?

No. Drawing parallels between a tribal desert kingdom to a sovereign, respectable European democracy makes you look like an idiot.

I mean a real, detached from reality...idiot.

Seriously. Seek help.

I did not suggest such a thing. I simply said that it's not nationality or ethnicity, but government policies, and that Germany as well as Saudi Arabia have unreasonable policies which are radicalizing people to kill Americans.

Wrong. Germany has no government policies that are radicalizing people to kill Americans.

So many terrorists keep popping up all over Europe with intention of striking at US interests. You don't think that perhaps our unconditional relationship with various European countries, such as Germany, is creating a playing field where organizations like AQ wannabes pop up and declare war on the infidel?

What? If Europe was an Islamic cesspool with a history of violence against America, then yes.

I mean are you seriously saying the Europeans - the "we surrender" continent - poses a threat to Americans?

Want to...oh, maybe...provide some proof to support such an absurd argument?

We protect and go to war on behalf of Saudi arabia. We don't support Europe nor do we go to war on behalf of it.

More often that not Europe disagrees with our foreign policy entirely. If anything, they are more pro-Muslim then we ever have been.

We protect Germany, too.

If Germany was home to Al-Qaeda, and was a prolific-state sponsor of terror....then yeah, I'd agree.

But we don't protect Germany. Germany has the 3rd largest military in Europe.

Also, Al-Qaeda is a multinational and stateless organization. It has no single home.

Yeah, it's home is Saudi Arabia. Its leaders are almost entirely Saudi.

It's philosophy - Wahhabism - is of Saudi origin.

It's all about the money. Al-Qaeda is going bankrupt because of US lawfare...it's all about the money. You take away the money and support for Al-Qaedas benefactors (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc..), al-qaeda disappears.

9/11 cost what...700k+ to plot, train, etc..?

terrorists dont work for free.

no one does.

 

[Bateluer]

Where's the spread education and knowledge option? Religion falls apart when people are educated.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Where's the spread education and knowledge option? Religion falls apart when people are educated.

Not in the case of Islamic terrorism. Many of the ringleaders are highly educated people who often graduated from Western colleges and universities.

However, I'm not convinced that those people are truly motivated by religion in the first place. They are using religion as a convenient prop and a pathetic excuse to cover for their uncontrollable rage and hate. 'Allah deems it so.' Bullshit. Their fucking ego deems it so and they simply can't control their impulses and compulsions. No college or university in the world can prevent someone from being or becoming a bitter, hateful asshole.

 

[bamacre]

Keep them out of the US.

 

[Infohawk]

Where's the spread education and knowledge option? Religion falls apart when people are educated.

How are you going to force them to do this overseas? If you mean by force, I think you fall into the regime change option. If not by force, you fall into the engagement category.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Can we PLEASE just kill all Christians too? We might as well lump them all in with the KKK.

BTW, I can't seriously believe this thread exists. Fuck you, OP (and the 21+ people who voted for "killing them all"), for being ignorant pieces of shit.

 

[spacejamz]

Can we PLEASE just kill all Christians too? We might as well lump them all in with the KKK.

BTW, I can't seriously believe this thread exists. Fuck you, OP (and the 21+ people who voted for "killing them all"), for being ignorant pieces of shit.

Maybe if you stick your head in the sand a little bit longer, this problem will go away...

Those protests about the cartoons, France and other countries trying to ban burquas and minarets in their skylines are just phantom issues of a problem that apparently doesn't exist in your mind...

This problem is only going to get worse unless a global strategy to deal with it is created.

Everyone holding hands and singing Cumbaye at the campfire is not going to solve this problem.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Maybe if you stick your head in the sand a little bit longer, this problem will go away...

Those protests about the cartoons, France and other countries trying to ban burquas and minarets in their skylines are just phantom issues of a problem that apparently doesn't exist in your mind...

This problem is only going to get worse unless a global strategy to deal with it is created.

Everyone holding hands and singing Cumbaye at the campfire is not going to solve this problem.

I've read every post in this thread, and no one has said where exactly Islam, the religion = problem. I don't care how fancy-worded your posts are, you're still being dumbasses and relating the .001% fringe lunatic factions of a religion to dominate your entire thought process.

Osama bin Laden is the Pat Robertson of the Islamic faith. The funny part is? Both of them exist to further their own extremist agenda under the guise of religion. You morons can't see through that and are doing exactly what both of them want... letting extremist thought be at the forefront of a far more moderate religious entity.

 

[Infohawk]

Can we PLEASE just kill all Christians too? We might as well lump them all in with the KKK.

BTW, I can't seriously believe this thread exists. Fuck you, OP (and the 21+ people who voted for "killing them all"), for being ignorant pieces of shit.

You are a child. (I didn't vote for kill them all. You can see who voted for who.) Again, it's amazing to see the overemotional responses to a poll.

 

[Infohawk]

I've read every post in this thread, and no one has said where exactly Islam, the religion = problem. I don't care how fancy-worded your posts are, you're still being dumbasses and relating the .001% fringe lunatic factions of a religion to dominate your entire thought process.

Osama bin Laden is the Pat Robertson of the Islamic faith. The funny part is? Both of them exist to further their own extremist agenda under the guise of religion. You morons can't see through that and are doing exactly what both of them want... letting extremist thought be at the forefront of a far more moderate religious entity.

So Pat Robertson's Christianity is a problem but Islam is not?