What sort of bureaucratic culture covers up child molestation?

[Moonbeam]

What kind of culture?

The answer is incredibly simple but focus not so much of the simple but the incredible part.

People hate themselves and don't know it, don't want to know it, and don't want to know they do not want to know. The result is that we seek the love of others as a substitute for loving ourselves and we seek to destroy ourselves by becoming how we feel.

So when somebody who has the respect of many people does something wrong in our presence, we experience fear that we will not be liked if we report them, and by not reporting them we get to morally fail, be as worthless in reality as we already feel.

We are hostages to two forces, the fear of being hated and the desire to feel how hated we feel. We are insane, but to know we are insane isn't something we want to face.

Self hate makes folk want to be evil and afraid to know themselves. And when you add in the fact that there really isn't anything wrong with anybody but that they were made to feel that way, we see what a profound tragedy we face. Denial has cost us everything there is worth anything.

 

[BoberFett]

404: Self Respect and Dignity not found.

You whore yourself out every day to the 1% while I enjoy life as I see fit. Are you sure you want to compare self respect and dignity?

 

[Ausm]

You whore yourself out every day to the 1% while I enjoy life as I see fit. Are you sure you want to compare self respect and dignity?

LMAO your're morally bankrupt and you really have no room to talk

 

[rchiu]

Both are being bashed, but that said, yes JoePa is getting the brunt of it, and rightfully so. McQueary has already told the team he is gone, JoePa is saying "I was fooled". Bullshit. He knew just as much or more than anyone. And don't buy into the crap that he had secondhand info, because then I would argue the President had third-hand info.

Also, Sandusky was NOT kicked off the campus, in fact he was on campus, at a practice, with JoePa, just last week!

Oh so we have another guy with know it all ability, quite common on the Internet now a day. I am sure you got this crystal ball to tell if JoePa knows how much info.

Even if JoePa had the info, this is school matter and anyone with professional experience knows this type of things should be passed to the people/department that handles it. If you were a business manager and someone tells you he saw someone sexually harassed another, do you go around poking yourself or go to police? No you go to HR and let those people handle it. It's not just about second/third hand info, it's also about letting the right people in the organization to deal with it.

 

[BoberFett]

LMAO your're morally bankrupt and you really have no room to talk

Ausm: Proud Whore

 

[Nemesis 1]

I'm referring to the Penn State football coach who was charged with sexual abuse, Jerry Sandusky.

Apparently he had been caught in the late 90's and then again in 2002 by a graduate student.

Joe Paterno had knowledge of the incident as well as high ranking Penn State officials.

He was not reported to the police until the family of one of the victims pressed suit.

Now, pretend that you're a university president when you get word that a coach has been caught having sex with a 10 (!) year old boy ON UNIVERSITY PROPERTY.

What sort of justification did they say to themselves when they didn't turn him in to the police?

It seems that a similar dynamic played out in the Catholic church sex abuse scandals as well, where pedophile priests were routinely shuffled to new parishes by higher ups who were aware of the abuse.

Your outrage is noted. But thats life in the world personnel need and friendship outways . Right and trust let alone justice.

 

[CPA]

Oh so we have another guy with know it all ability, quite common on the Internet now a day. I am sure you got this crystal ball to tell if JoePa knows how much info.

Even if JoePa had the info, this is school matter and anyone with professional experience knows this type of things should be passed to the people/department that handles it. If you were a business manager and someone tells you he saw someone sexually harassed another, do you go around poking yourself or go to police? No you go to HR and let those people handle it. It's not just about second/third hand info, it's also about letting the right people in the organization to deal with it.

It doesn't take a know-it-all to connect the dots. Get your damn head out of the sand.

 

[Lex Luger]

Joe Pa fired.

Who thinks he will drop dead within the month?

 

[sportage]

Joe Pa fired.

Yes... truly a sad day for child molesters. And their friends....
But there is hope. The Pope is still in power.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Kids being molested and you think it is good news for your team? Of course, I wouldn't expect anything less from you, your partisan ways have no bounds apparently and extend to your school even. D:

Take it easy on the guy . He is a good dem. And we pretty much no were the left stands on gays. Unless of course they be priest. Wait Joe was a priest or even more a Football god.

 

[tydas]

I think they need to get some ropes and pull down that statue of Joe on campus..

"Let the name of Joe Paterno be stricken from every book and tablet. Stricken from every building and lounge of Penn State. Let the name of Joe Paterno be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of man, for all time."

 

[Ausm]

Ausm: Proud Whore

Yeah I am a whore who has had a fulltime job for 30 years and have taken less vacation time in that period then the amount time you been sucking off the Federal teat for your measly unemployment compensation.

If I am a whore then so be it but if we had Nation of fucking worthless freeloaders as yourself we would be truly fucked.

 

[tydas]

What an egotistical, self centered, oblivious fool...when the head of the state police is quoted as saying:

"Paterno is not a target of the criminal investigation, but the state police commissioner called his failure to contact police himself a lapse in "moral responsibility."
Does he think that he even deserves to keep his job??

And then Paterno says this: “"You give your life to this place, and that's how you're treated," the source said.
No Joe, this is how people are treated when they allow child molesters to roam free…I would like Joe to look people in the face and say he didn’t have a conversation with AD , President or Police chief about the best way to handle Sadusky when the incident occurred…

 

[xBiffx]

What an egotistical, self centered, oblivious fool...when the head of the state police is quoted as saying:

"Paterno is not a target of the criminal investigation, but the state police commissioner called his failure to contact police himself a lapse in "moral responsibility."
Does he think that he even deserves to keep his job??

And then Paterno says this: “"You give your life to this place, and that's how you're treated," the source said.
No Joe, this is how people are treated when they allow child molesters to roam free…I would like Joe to look people in the face and say he didn’t have a conversation with AD , President or Police chief about the best way to handle Sadusky when the incident occurred…

Again, I don't think Paterno is completely innocent but the police would have done little with just Paterno's complaints as far as arrests go. An investigation might have started but it wouldn't have immediately stopped any of this. Its not like you can go to the police and say "Billy just told me that he saw Johnny molesting Franky in the shower" and expect them to go arrest Johnny. What they would do is go find Billy and see what he has to say. Of course, Billy should have taken it upon himself to go to the police and Joe should have made sure he did. Joe is guilty of not following through but don't try and put him on the same level as Johnny. If anything, Billy should be in the news explaining his actions (non actions for that matter) as well. Where is Billy in this case?

 

[hal2kilo]

Joe Pa fired.

Who thinks he will drop dead within the month?

All this time I thought it was Spock!

 

[rudder]

This may be OT but it's great news for my Alma Mater UW-Madison Badgers.

Did you notice I labeled my post OT? I guess with only having 2 brain cells it is impossible for you to realize what that acronym means.

Wow you labeled it OT... makes the fact that penn state is losing their football coach because a bunch of young boys were raped not so serious then. You so funny.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Resorting to name calling tsk tsk....Take your sigs advice and get off my ass.

Maybe you should take your sigs advice and grow a brain and conscience. Thinking this 'good' for the Badgers is pretty sick dude. It's good for no one.

 

[Ausm]

Wow you labeled it OT... makes the fact that penn state is losing their football coach because a bunch of young boys were raped not so serious then. You so funny.

Why are you so bitter were you on the receiving end?

 

[monovillage]

More news! Remember this is Penn State, one reason I give more credence to rumor, but it is still rumor.
http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-s...ung-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

""I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak." "

 

[Ausm]

Maybe you should take your sigs advice and grow a brain and conscience. Thinking this 'good' for the Badgers is pretty sick dude. It's good for no one.

Sorry I did label it OT and if you have more brains then Rudder which is highly probable you would have realized I was not commenting on the actual crime itself.

 

[xBiffx]

More news! Remember this is Penn State, one reason I give more credence to rumor, but it is still rumor.
http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-s...ung-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

""I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak." "

Great...someone else trying to prove the rich are raping us. :whiste:

 

[woolfe9999]

Again, I don't think Paterno is completely innocent but the police would have done little with just Paterno's complaints as far as arrests go. An investigation might have started but it wouldn't have immediately stopped any of this. Its not like you can go to the police and say "Billy just told me that he saw Johnny molesting Franky in the shower" and expect them to go arrest Johnny. What they would do is go find Billy and see what he has to say. Of course, Billy should have taken it upon himself to go to the police and Joe should have made sure he did. Joe is guilty of not following through but don't try and put him on the same level as Johnny. If anything, Billy should be in the news explaining his actions (non actions for that matter) as well. Where is Billy in this case?

Paterno is not on the same level as Sandusky. Sandusky is a criminal who should go to jail for a long time, probably the rest of whatever is left of his life. However, Paterno, and his superiors who were informed of this, should not keep their jobs. Everyone involved here had a moral obligation to contact the police.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Sorry I did label it OT and if you have more brains then Rudder which is highly probable you would have realized I was not commenting on the actual crime itself.

OT isn't the point and doesn't let you say something so idiotic. The point is a heinous crime was committed and ignored at a major university, again it's good for no one. Not the Badgers, not the Big 10 not even all of college football. It's like being a Baptist and saying the Catholic Church rape scandal was good for Baptists. It's not going to work, you are rightfully being called out for it.

 

[tydas]

Again, I don't think Paterno is completely innocent but the police would have done little with just Paterno's complaints as far as arrests go. An investigation might have started but it wouldn't have immediately stopped any of this. Its not like you can go to the police and say "Billy just told me that he saw Johnny molesting Franky in the shower" and expect them to go arrest Johnny. What they would do is go find Billy and see what he has to say. Of course, Billy should have taken it upon himself to go to the police and Joe should have made sure he did. Joe is guilty of not following through but don't try and put him on the same level as Johnny. If anything, Billy should be in the news explaining his actions (non actions for that matter) as well. Where is Billy in this case?

Biff, we are talking about real police, not the comic book versions...

 

[Ausm]

OT isn't the point and doesn't let you say something so idiotic. The point is a heinous crime was committed and ignored at a major university, again it's good for no one. Not the Badgers, not the Big 10 not even all of college football. It's like being a Baptist and saying the Catholic Church rape scandal was good for Baptists. It's not going to work, you are rightfully being called out for it.

Well sorry if I offended you this was not the intention because I clearly labeled my post OT which I have been using on this forums for the last 16+ years without getting my ass chewed out for it.