What Protestant, Evangelical Christian colleges have the best engineering programs?

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Harvey
Rip -- You have 52 U.S. patents? That impresses me more than anything you've ever posted. Please tells us more about them. Links, please.

All patents are online, correct?

So Rippy Dippy, how about them 52 links then?

USPTO

Fill in the blanks.

Seriously, what do you have patents on?

Mostly materials, but I have a few relating to hardware, and one software patent.

So.... link?

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

then they have to pay for college on their own. if i am paying , i get a say in where they go. if they want to be "adults" at 18, then they can hit the street and pay their own way

My parent's believed exactly as your quote. If I didn't want to go to a "christian" college, I was going to pay my own way.

Yeah, it pissed me off at the time, but as so often was the case, my parents were actually helping to mold me into who I am.

I'm sure that they were disappointed that I chose against their wishes, and to be honest, they are probably still disappointed in my complete lack of spiritual conviction--but its not who I am and never was.

If it weren't for striking it out on my own, I wouldn't be where I am today, wouldn't have my life. I give thanks to my parents for having the conviction to help mold me into what they thought was "right". At least they had the guts to stand by their convictions and not relent to the pressure of a pissed off whiny teenager! If its one thing they taught me it was how to be tough and persistant--examples which I've applied and have brought me to where I am.

I say yes, those were "good parents right there folks".

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm going to steer them towards a Christian Evanglical college because I think that will be best for them, but if they chose not to attend one, I'll encourage then to participate in a campus ministry.

But what if they grow up to be atheists? What if they grow up and think Stanford or Georgia Tech is best for them?

What will you do then?

???

Why don't you stick to being an insufferable ass in P&N instead of stalking Rip wherever he posts?

Really now, what is the purpose of your little hypothetical exercise? Do you think you can offer anything of any significant worth to Rip that he hasn't already considered in his lifetime? Of course not......you're just a pathetic troll looking for cheap thrills.

Seek help Conjur, you need it.

Oh, the ironing.

Don't forget to starch my shirts.

 

[jaydee]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
In all honesty, Rip, I am very interested as to why you are looking for a place based on those criterea. I jsut want you to understand that Engineering is very difficult, and that you'll need all the help you can get. If you go to a school that does not focus on engineering you will soon find that their resources will not meet your needs, and you will blame a school who had not focused on that major anyway.

I realize that you have your motives and preconcieved notions, but in every religion, in every myth, in every true story of honor and valor, the hero always has to choose the difficult path to reap the biggest reward. Perhaps going to a non-secular school may not be the easiest frijole to swallow, but as a Christian, you should realize the cowardess you project, when logic dictates that you should pick the best school you can get into, and you ignore our honest opinion. People are engineers on here. There are engineering students(such as myself), faculty, and even professionals on here, and I'm sure some of them are Christian. Most of them will probably tell you that there were extensive secular resources at their school.

I guess I'll bite. I'm a junior (senior in a couple days actually) engineering student at a secular school that boasts a top 10 program in my major (EE at Kettering University) and am also a Christian.

Firstly, I can see his dilemma. A Christian that wants to go to a Christian school to be with other Christians. On the other you want to be an engineer, so a school with a good engineering program is also desirable. I just want to state that they are not necessarily exclusive from each other. I haven't done the research, I know the US News rankings, blah, blah, blah and Christian schools aren't exactly on the top, but honestly what does that mean? I know I go to a good school because I'm actually here, I know the profs, I've been through most of the program and I'm learning the material (albiet not with the best grades). Not because some magizine says we're good. It takes more research than that and I dunno, maybe you've actually done it, but somehow I kinda doubt, so the blanket statement that no Christian schools have good engineering programs is rather unfounded unless you can back it up.

Reading a couple posts down where you postulate that someone goes to a Christian school and ends up killing people because of his poor education, well that's a pretty ridiculous statement. A school does not make engineers, they merely facilitate them. To blame a school on any engineering failure by a person that happened to go to the school some time ago has as much substantiation as blaming a business school for producing corrupt managers.

To answer your question about resources, a school that focuses on engineering, really only has one more resource than schools that don't and that's people. Books, notes, anything tangible will be available everywhere virtually, you just need to know where to look to find it. I know a lot of people can learn just about everything they need to know by reading books and working problems. I'm not one of those people, so it wouldn't really apply to me.

If you're someone that needs to be taught something, then I'd say yes a school with a focus on engineering would be a better way to go (as my case).

Another thing is, that everyone doesn't have the HS grades cut out for a superior school. Does that mean they can't be engineers? No, it means you didn't get good grades in high school. Grades aren't everything. It shouldn't restrict you from pursuing your dreams.

 

[charles555]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm not interested in non-Christian colleges.

Can anyone answer my question?

Typical fundamentalist, closed-minded, anti-american. I wouldn't want you designing anything I'm using, so stay away from the highly regarded academic schools!

 

[mithrandir2001]

Heh, this whole post was just flamebait. Why ask about Evangelical Christian colleges on a divisive forum like this unless you like fireworks?

 

[SuperTool]

UC Berkeley 🙂

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm going to steer them towards a Christian Evanglical college because I think that will be best for them, but if they chose not to attend one, I'll encourage then to participate in a campus ministry.

But what if they grow up to be atheists? What if they grow up and think Stanford or Georgia Tech is best for them?

What will you do then?

???

???

???

 

[Riprorin]

They aren't atheists.

 

[Riprorin]

It's too bad Liberty doesn't have an engineering program.

Jerry Falwell's school turns out some pretty darn good debaters.

Looks like the "fundamentalist" hicks aren't so stupid after all.


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[myusername]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's too bad Liberty doesn't have an engineering program.

Jerry Falwell's school turns out some pretty darn good debaters.
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So what you are trying to say is that you really don't give a rats ass about fundie engineering schools, but you do like making excuses to post P&N worthy material in OT

Originally posted by: Riprorin
They aren't atheists.

What a pisser that they're gay, though.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's too bad Liberty doesn't have an engineering program.

Jerry Falwell's school turns out some pretty darn good debaters.
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So what you are trying to say is that you really don't give a rats ass about fundie engineering schools, but you do like making excuses to post P&N worthy material in OT

Originally posted by: Riprorin
They aren't atheists.

What a pisser that they're gay, though.

Nope, they're not gay either.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's too bad Liberty doesn't have an engineering program.

Jerry Falwell's school turns out some pretty darn good debaters.
...
<snip><snip><snip>
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So what you are trying to say is that you really don't give a rats ass about fundie engineering schools, but you do like making excuses to post P&N worthy material in OT

Originally posted by: Riprorin
They aren't atheists.

What a pisser that they're gay, though.

Nope, they're not gay either.

Aren't your children under 10?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
They aren't atheists.

That doesn't answer the question. You could learn more than a thing or two from the debaters at Liberty University. You wouldn't make it past the entrance exam.

Again, answer the questions:

But what if they grow up to be atheists? What if they grow up and think Stanford or Georgia Tech is best for them?

What will you do then?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's too bad Liberty doesn't have an engineering program.

Jerry Falwell's school turns out some pretty darn good debaters.
...

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So what you are trying to say is that you really don't give a rats ass about fundie engineering schools, but you do like making excuses to post P&N worthy material in OT

Looks like we have a winner folks!! Bob, tell him what he's won!!

 

[mwtgg]

Any specifics on those patents, Rip?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Any specifics on those patents, Rip?

You're likely wasting your time. He's either lying about them or just won't post personal info for fear of being spammed into oblivion. Such is the life of an internet troll.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: conjur

Again, answer the questions

What could Rip possibly gain by answering your ridiculous questions? Oh, we fully understand what *you* have to gain Conjur. :roll:

Better check that Conjur, your baseless yet grossly inflated sense of self-importance is showing.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Any specifics on those patents, Rip?

You're likely wasting your time. He's either lying about them or just won't post personal info for fear of being spammed into oblivion. Such is the life of an internet troll.

He's a rare troll. Quite the masochistic one.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's too bad Liberty doesn't have an engineering program.

Jerry Falwell's school turns out some pretty darn good debaters.
...

...

So what you are trying to say is that you really don't give a rats ass about fundie engineering schools, but you do like making excuses to post P&N worthy material in OT

Looks like we have a winner folks!! Bob, tell him what he's won!!

Perhaps he just enjoys annoying OT for his own amusement? Kinda like someone else I know.... 😉

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's too bad Liberty doesn't have an engineering program.

Jerry Falwell's school turns out some pretty darn good debaters.
...

...

So what you are trying to say is that you really don't give a rats ass about fundie engineering schools, but you do like making excuses to post P&N worthy material in OT

Looks like we have a winner folks!! Bob, tell him what he's won!!

Perhaps he just enjoys annoying OT for his own amusement? Kinda like someone else I know.... 😉

Hey, I needed a response from Trygve and kept everyone mildly amused until he posted. I don't see the problem there. Rip is on some kind of weird crusade or something. He just keeps finding new ways to insert his value system into threads, to what end I do not know.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's too bad Liberty doesn't have an engineering program.

Jerry Falwell's school turns out some pretty darn good debaters.
...

...

So what you are trying to say is that you really don't give a rats ass about fundie engineering schools, but you do like making excuses to post P&N worthy material in OT

Looks like we have a winner folks!! Bob, tell him what he's won!!

Perhaps he just enjoys annoying OT for his own amusement? Kinda like someone else I know.... 😉

Hey, I needed a response from Trygve and kept everyone mildly amused until he posted. I don't see the problem there. Rip is on some kind of weird crusade or something. He just keeps finding new ways to insert his value system into threads, to what end I do not know.

Evidently you must have missed the 😉 in my last reply. Next time I'll try to make it more conspicuous, or its meaning more obvious, so as to not offend your delicate sensibilities. Along that same line.....perhaps your problem with Rip isn't so much a problem with him, but with you? Case in point:

Perhaps you would enlighten me as to what exactly you find to be so offensive in his original post to merit the typical idiotic and off topic responses he got. Please point to the language in his original post that could be construed as "trolling".

Funny, but from the cheap seats, my compass pointing to the trolls points is positioned in a somewhat different direction than yours obviously. Odd how just mentioning religion is construed as "trolling", but insulting and belittling someone for his religious beliefs is....not?

Sorry, but the way I see it, Rip isn't the problem here. I know, I know, you don't approve of his "values".....guess that means its *you* that's got the problem, don't it? Food for thought, and I mean no disrepsect to you Fausto. Just giving you something to consider.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's too bad Liberty doesn't have an engineering program.

Jerry Falwell's school turns out some pretty darn good debaters.
...

...

So what you are trying to say is that you really don't give a rats ass about fundie engineering schools, but you do like making excuses to post P&N worthy material in OT

Looks like we have a winner folks!! Bob, tell him what he's won!!

Perhaps he just enjoys annoying OT for his own amusement? Kinda like someone else I know.... 😉

Hey, I needed a response from Trygve and kept everyone mildly amused until he posted. I don't see the problem there. Rip is on some kind of weird crusade or something. He just keeps finding new ways to insert his value system into threads, to what end I do not know.

Evidently you must have missed the 😉 in my last reply. Next time I'll try to make it more conspicuous, or its meaning more obvious, so as to not offend your delicate sensibilities. Along that same line.....perhaps your problem with Rip isn't so much a problem with him, but with you? Case in point:

Perhaps you would enlighten me as to what exactly you find to be so offensive in his original post to merit the typical idiotic and off topic responses he got. Please point to the language in his original post that could be construed as "trolling".

Funny, but from the cheap seats, my compass pointing to the trolls points is positioned in a somewhat different direction than yours obviously. Odd how just mentioning religion is construed as "trolling", but insulting and belittling someone for his religious beliefs is....not?

Sorry, but the way I see it, Rip isn't the problem here. I know, I know, you don't approve of his "values".....guess that means its *you* that's got the problem, don't it? Food for thought, and I mean no disrepsect to you Fausto. Just giving you something to consider.

No, I caught the wink. I'm slightly above the GA average despite what you may have heard. 😛

As for Rip: it's not that I have a problem with religion or his value system per se. It's that his posts aren't created for the sake of addressing an issue or answering a question; they're just there to irritate people. If you look at the vast majority of threads he's started prior to the "no cut and paste" rule, it's plain (at least to me) that he's not in them for the dialogue they may generate. The sources are dubious at best and he's very careful not to address any pointed questions directed his way in the threads. He just throws out inane jabs at the horrible "libs" here and there to keep the flames fanned. He's welcome to his beliefs, but if he cannot present them in a semi-objective manner nor defend them in a reasonable manner, I'm going to have to stand by my trolling accusation.

As for this thread, I think you know very well why it's drawn the responses it has. I also know that you enjoy a good argument for its own sake and have stated as much in the past. 😉

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's too bad Liberty doesn't have an engineering program.

Jerry Falwell's school turns out some pretty darn good debaters.
...

...

So what you are trying to say is that you really don't give a rats ass about fundie engineering schools, but you do like making excuses to post P&N worthy material in OT

Looks like we have a winner folks!! Bob, tell him what he's won!!

Perhaps he just enjoys annoying OT for his own amusement? Kinda like someone else I know.... 😉

Hey, I needed a response from Trygve and kept everyone mildly amused until he posted. I don't see the problem there. Rip is on some kind of weird crusade or something. He just keeps finding new ways to insert his value system into threads, to what end I do not know.

Evidently you must have missed the 😉 in my last reply. Next time I'll try to make it more conspicuous, or its meaning more obvious, so as to not offend your delicate sensibilities. Along that same line.....perhaps your problem with Rip isn't so much a problem with him, but with you? Case in point:

Perhaps you would enlighten me as to what exactly you find to be so offensive in his original post to merit the typical idiotic and off topic responses he got. Please point to the language in his original post that could be construed as "trolling".

Funny, but from the cheap seats, my compass pointing to the trolls points is positioned in a somewhat different direction than yours obviously. Odd how just mentioning religion is construed as "trolling", but insulting and belittling someone for his religious beliefs is....not?

Sorry, but the way I see it, Rip isn't the problem here. I know, I know, you don't approve of his "values".....guess that means its *you* that's got the problem, don't it? Food for thought, and I mean no disrepsect to you Fausto. Just giving you something to consider.

No, I caught the wink. I'm slightly above the GA average despite what you may have heard. 😛

As for Rip: it's not that I have a problem with religion or his value system per se. It's that his posts aren't created for the sake of addressing an issue or answering a question; they're just there to irritate people. If you look at the vast majority of threads he's started prior to the "no cut and paste" rule, it's plain (at least to me) that he's not in them for the dialogue they may generate. The sources are dubious at best and he's very careful not to address any pointed questions directed his way in the threads. He just throws out inane jabs at the horrible "libs" here and there to keep the flames fanned. He's welcome to his beliefs, but if he cannot present them in a semi-objective manner nor defend them in a reasonable manner, I'm going to have to stand by my trolling accusation.

As for this thread, I think you know very well why it's drawn the responses it has. I also know that you enjoy a good argument for its own sake and have stated as much in the past. 😉

I don't disagree with your assessment of Rip's MO over in P&N. Hell, Rip, amongst others on both sides of the political spectrum, are one of the reasons I don't visit that cesspool of reactionary idiots. But does he really deserve the treatment he got over this thread? IMHO this thread appears on the level. Now we can question the appropriateness of him asking this question *here*, instead of a religious oriented forum. But then again, one could also debate the merits of YAGT's in a place populated by a bunch of pimply faced geeks. 😀

 

[Eli]

What Protestant, Evangelical Christian colleges have the best engineering programs?

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