What Protestant, Evangelical Christian colleges have the best engineering programs?

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Riprorin

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Riprorin
No, I don't. Can you explain it to me?

True or false.

1) You want the best for your children.

2) You want your children to be engineers.

3) You want your children to attend a Protestant, Evangelical Christian college.

4) The engineering programs at other, non-Protestant, Evangelical Christian colleges may be better.

5) Your children may prefer to enroll in a program offering optimal academic potential.

6) By eliminating the choices in #4, you have negated #1 and #5.

Clear enough?

- M4H

And you got all that from this?

"What Protestant, Evangelical Christian colleges have the best engineering programs?
Grove City College in PA and Calvin College in MI are supposed to be pretty good.
Any others?"

Answer the questions.

- M4H

I'll respond inspite of your rudeness.

1) Yes

2) Not necessarily

3) That's my preference

4) Maybe

5) Maybe

6) I haven't eliminated any choices

 

pkananen

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I go to calvin as a cs major. the engineering majors get their butt kicked, but it is a good program
 
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Originally posted by: Riprorin
6) I haven't eliminated any choices

Well, that's refreshing to know.

And if they choose a non-Protestant, Evangelical Christian college, will you truly support their decision?

- M4H
 

Riprorin

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I'm going to steer them towards a Christian Evanglical college because I think that will be best for them, but if they chose not to attend one, I'll encourage then to participate in a campus ministry.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Orsorum
:roll: It's definitely not. There's more hostility in many Christian groups than I've seen in most liberal groups.
As a member of one of those Christian groups you've had experience with, I have to say that hurts a bit.

ZV

I don't mean you, Aaron. :)
 

Gibson486

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Rank and being a respected school aisde, i don't think going to a religious college effects yoru learning. Boston College is a highly repesctable religious school and they still teach their sciences just like any school would (no engineering degree though). They do not get held back on anything (like evolution). It's what you learn in college and you apply it after that is important. No college intended for higher education would hold back and teach their students the wrong material.
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: Taejin
I don't see a lot of "Pw|\|@g3" going around in the anandtech forums - but I am just sitting here laughing as M4H rips Riprorin a new one each time..lol.

Both of us are :laugh:
 

Brian23

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Heck, I've read that the brain isn't fully developed until you're in your mid-20s.

Hey! A fact! :thumbsup:

If Jesus didn't go out into the "real world" to start his ministry until he was 30, why should you throw a 17 - 18 year-old to the wolves?

How is going to a non religious college "throw[ing] a 17 - 18 year-old to the wolves"?

Also, assuming your 52 patent claim is true, why do you need to go back to college?

Or are you looking into this for someone else?

Yeah, my kids.


Send them to a state school. They'll thank you for it.
 

PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: KingNothing
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm not interested in non-Christian colleges.

You'll have to mix with us heathens eventually. unless you plan on working in a christian-owned and operated business, perhaps

I'm still confused by what Riprorin means "Christian" because...

Catholic = Christian
Protestant = Christian
Quaker = Christian
Mormon = Christian
Mennonite = Christian
Seventh-Day Adventist = Christian
Born-Again = Christian
Evangelical = Christian
Baptist = Christian

...you see my problem.

Mormons are not Christians in even the loosest sense of the term. SDAs are questionable, and is Born Again even a domination? Never heard of that one.

And no, I don't see your problem. Do you have college recommendations but you're not sure which one to give because they're different religious affiliations?

what do you know about SDA's? what is your basis for such a statement?

SDA's confess Jesus Christ as their Saviour. the words Seventh-day Adventist refer to the soon advent of Jesus Christ. they are about as mainstream protestant as there is. the primary difference being, SDA's believe that God ordained the 7th day as a day of rest.

 

CigarSmokedByClinton

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On the off chance Rip is still looking for an answer to his question.

I didn't read the whole thread as I found the flaming too pathetic to read.

I am a 2002 EE graduate from Calvin College. It?s an accredited engineering school. Although I can't compare my education to other schools, I found the course work challenging. Out here in the work place I am more than adequately prepared for life. I've found that the best thing Calvin taught me was how to think critically and logically about problems. Sure I can do Fourier analysis and all the rest, but in my line of work the ability to approach a problem with a certain mindset is much more important.

As for my decision to go to a Christian College, I acknowledge that there are good reasons to go to a secular school. I guess I wanted to go to Calvin because of the other courses they offer. Since you get a liberal arts education, you are forced to take religion, theology, philosophy, psychology, business, biology, speech classes, etc. I may not have had as much of an emphasis on pure engineering, but in reality I'm more than an engineer, I am a Christian, a theologian, etc etc etc. There is more to life than preparing solely for your profession. Going to a Christian liberal arts school enables you to get Christ-based training on all aspects of your future life.

It is more expensive than most public schools, though. I had some good scholarships going in. If you're interested in Christian Engineering school, its one of the tops. I highly recommend it. The professors are top notch, real people. I liked the fact that the class size was usually under 20 (for the engineering classes). You got to know the profs and they you. It was actually more like high school than a public college would be (in that respect anyway).

Drop me a PM if you want more details.
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: rockyct
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy


How is going to a non religious college "throw[ing] a 17 - 18 year-old to the wolves"?

Also, assuming your 52 patent claim is true, why do you need to go back to college?

Or are you looking into this for someone else?

Yeah, my kids.

Well, I hope your kids have decided to go to a Christian school and not you. You've got 17-18 years to raise them right. After that, it's completely their lives. You can't try to protect them forever.

then they have to pay for college on their own. if i am paying , i get a say in where they go. if they want to be "adults" at 18, then they can hit the street and pay their own way
 

Mr N8

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I have 2 friends who went to Cedarville College in Ohio, and they are both well-paid engineers, now. One works for GM and the other works for Ford.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm going to steer them towards a Christian Evanglical college because I think that will be best for them, but if they chose not to attend one, I'll encourage then to participate in a campus ministry.
But what if they grow up to be atheists? What if they grow up and think Stanford or Georgia Tech is best for them?

What will you do then?
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm going to steer them towards a Christian Evanglical college because I think that will be best for them, but if they chose not to attend one, I'll encourage then to participate in a campus ministry.
But what if they grow up to be atheists? What if they grow up and think Stanford or Georgia Tech is best for them?

What will you do then?
Beat the gay out of them with a jumbo KJV, I'd guess.

 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: CigarSmokedByClinton
I may not have had as much of an emphasis on pure engineering, but in reality I'm more than an engineer, I am a Christian, a theologian, etc etc etc. There is more to life than preparing solely for your profession. Going to a Christian liberal arts school enables you to get Christ-based training on all aspects of your future life.

That may have been the lamest excuse I've ever heard. An engineering firm isn't going to substitute religious zealotry for engineering skill.

"Son, how do you expect that beam to support that amount of weight, that's scientifically impossible"

"But sir, Jesus is supporting it. He told me it will hold and I'm not going to second guess him"

Faith is no substitute for knowledge. In fact, it's detrimental. It encourages the belief that something will work out even if it can't.

 

DougK62

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Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: KingNothing
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm not interested in non-Christian colleges.

You'll have to mix with us heathens eventually. unless you plan on working in a christian-owned and operated business, perhaps

I'm still confused by what Riprorin means "Christian" because...

Catholic = Christian
Protestant = Christian
Quaker = Christian
Mormon = Christian
Mennonite = Christian
Seventh-Day Adventist = Christian
Born-Again = Christian
Evangelical = Christian
Baptist = Christian

...you see my problem.

Mormons are not Christians in even the loosest sense of the term. SDAs are questionable, and is Born Again even a domination? Never heard of that one.

And no, I don't see your problem. Do you have college recommendations but you're not sure which one to give because they're different religious affiliations?

You see what my problem is - you demonstrated it exactly. Mormons consider themselves Christian but a lot of others don't do the same. The word "Christian" is so damned general and dynamic in its definition that it's impossible to say what is and what isn't. I can recommend a few schools but I don't know if they fall under the OP's "Christian" definition.

Yeah - it gets really confusing. The different denominations make up their own meanings for "Christian". I think the confusion here is that the OP sounds like a more progressive Protestant. They think that they are the only "real" Christians. So how other denominations would say "I'm LDS", "I'm Catholic", etc - a Protestant will say "I'm Christian" and only in talking with them will you discover that they really mean "I'm Protestant" or "I'm some sort of modern non-denominational Protestant off-shoot".

 

CigarSmokedByClinton

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: CigarSmokedByClinton
I may not have had as much of an emphasis on pure engineering, but in reality I'm more than an engineer, I am a Christian, a theologian, etc etc etc. There is more to life than preparing solely for your profession. Going to a Christian liberal arts school enables you to get Christ-based training on all aspects of your future life.

That may have been the lamest excuse I've ever heard. An engineering firm isn't going to substitute religious zealotry for engineering skill.

"Son, how do you expect that beam to support that amount of weight, that's scientifically impossible"

"But sir, Jesus is supporting it. He told me it will hold and I'm not going to second guess him"

Faith is no substitute for knowledge. In fact, it's detrimental. It encourages the belief that something will work out even if it can't.


You misunderstand me, and perhaps I wasn't clear. I did recieve a top notch engineering enducation, and my employer is more than happy with my engineering abilities. Rather, what I meant to say was that I felt a benefit from having a more broad education, rather than just a purely engineering enducation. And I think employers appreciate that too; better to have a well rounded individual than not.

And I think you misunderstand the relationship Christians have with the natural laws that God instituted. But I think you were just being facetious.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: MogulMonster
I have 2 friends who went to Cedarville College in Ohio, and they are both well-paid engineers, now. One works for GM and the other works for Ford.

My sister graduated from Cedarville University.

She doing okay.

I checked their website yesterday and was surprised to find that they offer degrees in engineering now. They didn't when my sister was there.
 

Mo0o

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I think if you really want your children to excel in engineering it's better not to limit them to schools with a specific religious affiliation since the best engineering schools tend not to have very tight religious connections.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
I think if you really want your children to excel in engineering it's better not to limit them to schools with a specific religious affiliation since the best engineering schools tend not to have very tight religious connections.

You don't need to go to MIT or Stanford to be a good engineer.
 

BigPoppa

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Mo0o
I think if you really want your children to excel in engineering it's better not to limit them to schools with a specific religious affiliation since the best engineering schools tend not to have very tight religious connections.

You don't need to go to MIT or Stanford to be a good engineer.

Whole-heartedly agree.

But, does it help? You'd be lying to yourself to say no. Every advantage a prospective college graduate in engineering can grant themselves should be taken.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: BigPoppa
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Mo0o
I think if you really want your children to excel in engineering it's better not to limit them to schools with a specific religious affiliation since the best engineering schools tend not to have very tight religious connections.

You don't need to go to MIT or Stanford to be a good engineer.

Whole-heartedly agree.

But, does it help? You'd be lying to yourself to say no. Every advantage a prospective college graduate in engineering can grant themselves should be taken.

I want them to go to a school that develops the whole person. Without the spiritual element I think that education is too one dimensional.
 

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
then they have to pay for college on their own. if i am paying , i get a say in where they go. if they want to be "adults" at 18, then they can hit the street and pay their own way

That's a good parent rightt here, folks!
 
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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: BigPoppa
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Mo0o
I think if you really want your children to excel in engineering it's better not to limit them to schools with a specific religious affiliation since the best engineering schools tend not to have very tight religious connections.

You don't need to go to MIT or Stanford to be a good engineer.

Whole-heartedly agree.

But, does it help? You'd be lying to yourself to say no. Every advantage a prospective college graduate in engineering can grant themselves should be taken.

I want them to go to a school that develops the whole person. Without the spiritual element I think that education is too one dimensional.

Perfectly understandable and defensible. From one parent to another, I completely agree that Riprorin should be very involved in helping his children find and apply to colleges or universities which he believes to provide a quality educational experience. Almost all students at some point will consider social, geographical, and yes even spiritual or philosophical offerings of prospective schools. To think that people who hold what might be construed as extreme religious views should act any differently is simply unfair.

In general, where to go for one's higher education is an extremely personal decision that should be made on a case by case basis by the student, his or her parents, and the college or university.

Rip, have you gone to the library and searched for guides to schools offering undergraduate degrees in engineering? I wouldn't be too surprised if such a compendium exists. Furthermore, I am sure someone has already pointed out that the TYPE of engineering would probably be an important variable to consider.
 

Gibson486

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: rockyct
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy


How is going to a non religious college "throw[ing] a 17 - 18 year-old to the wolves"?

Also, assuming your 52 patent claim is true, why do you need to go back to college?

Or are you looking into this for someone else?

Yeah, my kids.

Well, I hope your kids have decided to go to a Christian school and not you. You've got 17-18 years to raise them right. After that, it's completely their lives. You can't try to protect them forever.

then they have to pay for college on their own. if i am paying , i get a say in where they go. if they want to be "adults" at 18, then they can hit the street and pay their own way


Wow. Little controlling, aren't we? It's their future, not yours. I am not telling you how to parent, but college is teh first step to being an adult and they have to start making there own decisions sometime. Also, from what I have seen, there are some catholic universities out there that have students that could drink any other college student under the table.