What? No government shutdown threads?

[michal1980]

Conspiracy theories about phantom liberals controlling media? That is the best that you've got?

Isn't fox news the one with the highest ratings? Liberal media derp!

Its not a conspiracy theory.


Is fox news all you got?

I raise you cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs, nbc and just about every paper and magazine in the country.

Its so bad that even the Washington post had stories about how many 'news' people are moving from reporting the news to working for the dems.

But we all know those guys are always objective in there work.

or how about how just on this issue

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2536734#.Ukx3gRXBXBQ.twitter

21-0 blaming republicans for this.

but no matter what you on the left are shown, you'll never accept the fact that the vast majority of the media is biased towards democrats. If you even entertain the idea, your brains would explode.

 

[fskimospy]

Its not a conspiracy theory.


Is fox news all you got?

I raise you cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs, nbc and just about every paper and magazine in the country.

Its so bad that even the Washington post had stories about how many 'news' people are moving from reporting the news to working for the dems.

But we all know those guys are always objective in there work.

or how about how just on this issue

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2536734#.Ukx3gRXBXBQ.twitter

21-0 blaming republicans for this.

but no matter what you on the left are shown, you'll never accept the fact that the vast majority of the media is biased towards democrats. If you even entertain the idea, your brains would explode.

I love how the conservative victimhood cycle works. If the media says something you agree with it is the truth. If it says something you don't like you're a victim. At no point can media criticism of conservatives be legitimate.

Pathetic.

 

[sportage]

Does this government drama hit anyone else like it hits me?
I'm remembering the two movies chain saw and house of 1000 corpses.
Well in the Republican tea Party, it's like that weird family on the outskirts of town.
The family mostly with inbred freaky looking members.
The family with that freakish laugh at witnessing blood and pain of others.
The hypnotic rotating eyes of Mitchele Bachmann.
The chantings to let the seriously ill in society just die.
The disgraceful disrespect of those serving our country in uniform.
The hideous desire and thrill when causing terror.

That family. The tea party republicans. That weird inbred family on the outskirts of town suddenly allowed to take over our quiet little town of main street USA.
And sheriff John Boehner helpless to do his job.
Because sheriff John doesn't want become their next chopping block, bloody, limbs dissected victim, hanging on a meat hook in their basement.
This is like some political chain saw movie come to life.
Or call it The House Of 39 corpses, tea party edition.

Does this hit anyone else the same way?????

 

[OGOC]

What's interesting about the past five years is it is probably the most thorough refutation of a school of economic thought that we will ever see.

It's hard to get more thoroughly owned than they did.

It's actually not hard to get more thoroughly owned because keynesians have been distorting reality while being wrong for decade after decade.

How's the economy again? How much debt is there again? yeah, go keynesians.

You'd think with all that keynesianism and debt over the years countries would have something to show for it other than being on the brink of financial collapse.

I wonder if you'd give the same credit to the Democrat who predicted "too big to fail" when discussing the repeal of Glass Steagall: link

Sure. Doesn't matter what letter is in front of someone's name.
Ron Paul got that one right too, btw. I think his stance is Glass-Steagall shouldn't exist, but since The Fed exists and government manipulates the financial system how it does, then it's better to have Glass-Steagall than not.

Second, the Republicans ran on a platform of repealing the affordable care act. They lost seats in both houses of Congress, they lost the popular vote in all elections and they lost the presidency running on this platform.

Republicans only lost the presidency the last couple times because they nominated Democrats.

 

[OGOC]

Internationally the USA looks completely stupid right now. How soon can we expect our credit rating to be dropped?

After Obama and company add another couple trillion to the debt, that should do it.

And then interest rates go up.
And maybe the dollar loses its status as the world reserve currency.

And then the country is going to have a big problem.

I knew they couldn't garnish wages.

It's probably in there somewhere. Seems like every week we're finding out new surprises hidden in the ACA bill. Had to pass it to find out what's in it, you know.

And if it's not in there now, Obama will probably just wave his hand later and put it in.

 

[trenchfoot]

After Obama and company add another couple trillion to the debt, that should do it.

And then interest rates go up.
And maybe the dollar loses its status as the world reserve currency.

And then the country is going to have a big problem.


It's probably in there somewhere. Seems like every week we're finding out new surprises hidden in the ACA bill. Had to pass it to find out what's in it, you know.

And if it's not in there now, Obama will probably just wave his hand later and put it in.

So I guess you've also wondered why he didn't just wave his hand and put in the public option like he and the Dems really really wanted to do from the get-go?

 

[michal1980]

I love how the conservative victimhood cycle works. If the media says something you agree with it is the truth. If it says something you don't like you're a victim. At no point can media criticism of conservatives be legitimate.

Pathetic.

what's pathetic is your willful ignorance.

the media could come right out and say their biased for libs, and you'd still deny it.

 

[TerryMathews]

So I guess you've also wondered why he didn't just wave his hand and put in the public option like he and the Dems really really wanted to do from the get-go?

I do wonder that, since not one Republican voted for what was passed. He must've proposed this abomination to appease people in his own party.

 

[Bitek]

Smash and grab the purse
Cruz has planned a kidnapping
"Baby, or the cash dies!"

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Its not a conspiracy theory.


Is fox news all you got?

I raise you cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs, nbc and just about every paper and magazine in the country.

Its so bad that even the Washington post had stories about how many 'news' people are moving from reporting the news to working for the dems.

But we all know those guys are always objective in there work.

or how about how just on this issue

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2536734#.Ukx3gRXBXBQ.twitter

21-0 blaming republicans for this.

but no matter what you on the left are shown, you'll never accept the fact that the vast majority of the media is biased towards democrats. If you even entertain the idea, your brains would explode.

The bias argument has been a right wing media talking point for years, never proven except in the echo chamber of us versus them.

Is there bias in the media? Duh.

Is it the grand conspiracy you perceive it to be? Ask Elvis.

The Republicans are being blamed for this for a reason, whether its the media here or abroad.

Call it bias if you wish, but that won't change the facts.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

I love how the conservative victimhood cycle works. If the media says something you agree with it is the truth. If it says something you don't like you're a victim. At no point can media criticism of conservatives be legitimate.

Pathetic.

Its a fascinating beast.

Yesterday on Rush Limbaugh he was accusing Tech sites of being liberal biased because they reported Obama's "glitches" speech without inserting any negative commentary.

So journalists reporting facts (in this case a speech transcript) is now bias.

And we all thought Colbert was joking.

 

[kia75]

So how much longer does the Shutdown last? Any predictions? Will everyone be back to work in a week? Two weeks? Next Month?

And what must be done to end the shutdown? What can the Democrats do to end the shutdown? What can the Republicans do to end the shutdown?

 

[werepossum]

It's actually not hard to get more thoroughly owned because keynesians have been distorting reality while being wrong for decade after decade.

How's the economy again? How much debt is there again? yeah, go keynesians.

You'd think with all that keynesianism and debt over the years countries would have something to show for it other than being on the brink of financial collapse.


Sure. Doesn't matter what letter is in front of someone's name.
Ron Paul got that one right too, btw. I think his stance is Glass-Steagall shouldn't exist, but since The Fed exists and government manipulates the financial system how it does, then it's better to have Glass-Steagall than not.

Republicans only lost the presidency the last couple times because they nominated Democrats.

The Keynesians have set up a system whereby they cannot fail. Pass a $700B stimulus and if it works, it proves Keynesian economic theory. But if it doesn't work, it was too small and therefore austerity, which proves Keynesian economic theory. It does require the constituents to have the intelligence of a fruit fly, but that's not a problem for the Democrats.

On the other hand, gotta give the Democrats credit for Glass-Steagall. It was a thoroughly bi-partisan vote to kill it (like all the past votes to gut it) but it's undeniable that more Democrats than Republicans supported Glass-Steagall. Given that barely a decade after repealing the last tattered remains of Glass-Steagall we had exactly the same sort of multi-sector crash that Glass-Steagall was set in place to avoid, I see no way that its detractors weren't completely wrong. They may have been correct that American banking needed its abolition, but they were critically wrong that it was outdated, and reduced global banking competitiveness is clearly a small sacrifice to prevent national economic collapse. I just wish that instead of Dodd-Frank, the Dems had re-instated Glass-Steagall when they could have easily done so.

 

[werepossum]

So how much longer does the Shutdown last? Any predictions? Will everyone be back to work in a week? Two weeks? Next Month?

And what must be done to end the shutdown? What can the Democrats do to end the shutdown? What can the Republicans do to end the shutdown?

The Democrats are united in refusing to negotiate, and the core Republicans are looking for something, pretty much anything at this point, to call a concession. My prediction is that either the Democrats cave on some essentially meaningless and laughably transparent minor issue and the Pubbies jump on it to save face, or the GOP comes to the realization that since the media is overwhelmingly liberal there is no way they win this PR battle and therefore cave completely. I won't predict length because I can't really comprehend egos of D.C. magnitude.

I understand their point (although I don't particularly agree with it) but they should understand that structurally there is no way they win this. Harry Reid refused to fund the NIH to keep hope for children with otherwise untreatable cancers and is receiving zero media heat for that baldly and badly stated position (except from Fox News which would be bashing him for something anyway.) Since the Pubbies well know the political landscape going in to this, it's hard to have much sympathy for them.

And there's really no upside for them; although our spending is down at the moment, all those non-essential government workers will receive back pay when it's settled. They always do.

 

[PowerYoga]

about time pussy obama grew some balls.

 

[sportage]

The house republicans want to save face by passing mini bills to fund this and that.
This won't happen.
If fact, the force should move in the opposite direction.
Pull the plug on military paychecks. Social security checks. Banking operations.
Do that and people would MARCH right up to John Boehner's office and run him out of town on a rail.

Republicans have started playing this little game saying why hurt cancer children, sick people, park workers?
The just response?
Why hurt the uninsured desperately seeking healthcare?

But this would end within the next hour if ALL government services and checks came to a screeching halt.
Personally, I would be in favor of that tactic.
This could end today.

 

[Juddog]

Its a fascinating beast.

Yesterday on Rush Limbaugh he was accusing Tech sites of being liberal biased because they reported Obama's "glitches" speech without inserting any negative commentary.

So journalists reporting facts (in this case a speech transcript) is now bias.

And we all thought Colbert was joking.

Next thing you know, the GOP will be blaming reality for being left-leaning.

 

[TerryMathews]

The house republicans want to save face by passing mini bills to fund this and that.
This won't happen.
If fact, the force should move in the opposite direction.
Pull the plug on military paychecks. Social security checks. Banking operations.
Do that and people would MARCH right up to John Boehner's office and run him out of town on a rail.

Republicans have started playing this little game saying why hurt cancer children, sick people, park workers?
The just response?
Why hurt the uninsured desperately seeking healthcare?

But this would end within the next hour if ALL government services and checks came to a screeching halt.
Personally, I would be in favor of that tactic.
This could end today.

Make it hurt. Amirite?

 

[trenchfoot]

Make it hurt. Amirite?

Hasn't that been the Repub plan all along?

All I see the Repubs doing at the moment is to create as much obstruction and mischief as possible to force things their way, which is what they've been doing up on the Hill since Obama took office. And they've managed to get concession after concession from Obama until now.

And their solution to this new problem has been for the Repub leadership to get even more obstructive and destructive.

Sort'a makes perfect sense from the Repub's point of view doesn't it?

 

[nageov3t]

can anyone explain to me why the government shutdown means taking gov websites offline?

I mean, it would seem silly to power off the servers and I assume they'd at least have an emergency staff on hand in case a fire breaks out in the data center or something.

 

[TerryMathews]

Hasn't that been the Repub plan all along?

All I see the Repubs doing at the moment is to create as much obstruction and mischief as possible to force things their way, which is what they've been doing up on the Hill since Obama took office. And they've managed to get concession after concession from Obama until now.

And their solution to this new problem has been for the Repub leadership to get even more obstructive and destructive.

Sort'a makes perfect sense from the Repub's point of view doesn't it?

Nope. The Republicans didn't close the Washington monument or shut down the web servers. Or put the FAA controllers off on the same day but exempt the airport that services DC.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2536734#.Ukx3gRXBXBQ.twitter

21-0 blaming republicans for this.

but no matter what you on the left are shown, you'll never accept the fact that the vast majority of the media is biased towards democrats. If you even entertain the idea, your brains would explode.

Let's take a look at the examples presented of left wing media bias, shall we?

"CBS Evening News" correspondent Nancy Cordes on Sept. 18: “Speaker Boehner was forced into the risky strategy by his right flank ... [a strategy] one Senate Republican described to us today as suicide.”

ABC’s Diane Sawyer: “The president expressed outrage that one faction in one house of Congress is ready to bring the entire federal government to a halt.”

"Face The Nation" host Bob Schieffer: “Will the moderate and more establishment Republicans continue to go along with the ultraconservatives? ... We’re headed to a shutdown unless the moderates in the House revolt.”

A direct quote from a Republican Senator, a paraphrased quote from Obama and the opinion of a journalist. Of those three examples, only one could even remotely be construed as bias (it's the one that doesn't involve quoting someone involved in the debate). I mean, seriously, quoting a Republican shows a Democrat bias? That's the most insane load of bullshit I've ever heard.

If one person disagrees with you, they might be wrong. If a few people disagree with you, hey, they might be wrong too. If every single person disagrees with you, maybe you're the one who needs to reevaluate your position. Blindly shouting "partisan bias!" while ignoring the fact that people within the Republican party are blaming Republicans for this is the epitome of being unable to accept that you might be wrong. That's not blind partisanship on behalf of the media, that's blind partisanship by you.

 

[chowderhead]

The house republicans want to save face by passing mini bills to fund this and that.
This won't happen.
If fact, the force should move in the opposite direction.
Pull the plug on military paychecks. Social security checks. Banking operations.
Do that and people would MARCH right up to John Boehner's office and run him out of town on a rail.

Republicans have started playing this little game saying why hurt cancer children, sick people, park workers?
The just response?
Why hurt the uninsured desperately seeking healthcare?

But this would end within the next hour if ALL government services and checks came to a screeching halt.
Personally, I would be in favor of that tactic.
This could end today.

Isn't this a Republican/Conservative Tea Party's wet dream?
I mean private companies should be literally running over each other to set up trials for cancer patients and privatizing and charging the public for entrances to national monuments.

 

[michal1980]

Let's take a look at the examples presented of left wing media bias, shall we?



A direct quote from a Republican Senator, a paraphrased quote from Obama and the opinion of a journalist. Of those three examples, only one could even remotely be construed as bias (it's the one that doesn't involve quoting someone involved in the debate). I mean, seriously, quoting a Republican shows a Democrat bias? That's the most insane load of bullshit I've ever heard.

If one person disagrees with you, they might be wrong. If a few people disagree with you, hey, they might be wrong too. If every single person disagrees with you, maybe you're the one who needs to reevaluate your position. Blindly shouting "partisan bias!" while ignoring the fact that people within the Republican party are blaming Republicans for this is the epitome of being unable to accept that you might be wrong. That's not blind partisanship on behalf of the media, that's blind partisanship by you.

Just defend your media buddies.

Even they are starting to worry...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-house-bl/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...secretary-obama-administration-new-york-times

just a snippet from one of the articles.

"at least 20 reporters and editors from mainstream news organizations have taken high-profile positions in the administration within the past five years."

 

[dainthomas]

The house republicans want to save face by passing mini bills to fund this and that.
This won't happen.
If fact, the force should move in the opposite direction.
Pull the plug on military paychecks. Social security checks. Banking operations.
Do that and people would MARCH right up to John Boehner's office and run him out of town on a rail.

Exactly this. Hopefully Obama maintains a spine for the first time ever in order to stand up to these childish tactics. Playing chicken with the federal budget to gut already-passed bills would quickly become business as usual by both sides. Is that what anyone on here wants?

Boehner would have to be on the first flight out of the country the day VA disability checks don't go out. So if Obama doesn't cave, November 1st is the absolute last day of the shutdown.