What? No government shutdown threads?

[boomerang]

can anyone explain to me why the government shutdown means taking gov websites offline?

I mean, it would seem silly to power off the servers and I assume they'd at least have an emergency staff on hand in case a fire breaks out in the data center or something.

Many won't agree, but my guess would be spite.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

"at least 20 reporters and editors from mainstream news organizations have taken high-profile positions in the administration within the past five years."

So? I've seen all the studies; most journalists tend to lean liberal, publishers tend to be more conservative, journalists flock to the Obama administration, the Bush administration flocked to become Fox News contributors... None of that really matters unless it's affecting what's being reported, right? You're posting sources that say that there is significant media bias, and their examples include Republican Senators blaming other Republicans. That's not media bias, that's direct quotation, and anyone who sees it as bias is either completely unaware of what that term means or paranoid and willing to see any negative portrayal of their side as bias, regardless of the source. I don't understand the logic that because someone votes a particular way they are incapable of presenting facts objectively. If that's the case, every single source in the world is biased and none of them are worth considering. But that really limits where we can get information from, and it doesn't do much to advance our knowledge. So unless you can point out a repeated string of media bias where people are not objectively presenting facts, you sound like you're just being paranoid and looking for an excuse as to why your "side" seems to be taking the lion's share of the blame for something which could objectively be their fault.

 

[Ryan]

can anyone explain to me why the government shutdown means taking gov websites offline?

I mean, it would seem silly to power off the servers and I assume they'd at least have an emergency staff on hand in case a fire breaks out in the data center or something.

If any FY14 funding is required to run those data centers....and they just happen to be non-essential functions of government.....they can't spend any money on it.

At least...that's how our installation is handling funding. We happen to have a separate pot of money that is exempt from the shutdown - we are using that to fund our essential functions. Anything that requires FY14 funding and cannot pull from the exempt pot is not getting funded right now.

 

[werepossum]

Let's take a look at the examples presented of left wing media bias, shall we?



A direct quote from a Republican Senator, a paraphrased quote from Obama and the opinion of a journalist. Of those three examples, only one could even remotely be construed as bias (it's the one that doesn't involve quoting someone involved in the debate). I mean, seriously, quoting a Republican shows a Democrat bias? That's the most insane load of bullshit I've ever heard.

If one person disagrees with you, they might be wrong. If a few people disagree with you, hey, they might be wrong too. If every single person disagrees with you, maybe you're the one who needs to reevaluate your position. Blindly shouting "partisan bias!" while ignoring the fact that people within the Republican party are blaming Republicans for this is the epitome of being unable to accept that you might be wrong. That's not blind partisanship on behalf of the media, that's blind partisanship by you.

That wasn't actually a "direct quote from a Republican Senator", although it's certainly meant to imply that. It's anonymous, which means it could have been a staffer - or simply made up from whole cloth.

 

[Zaap]

As for the thread title: Enough shutdown threads for you?

 

[Bitek]

Republicans and their piece meal funding reminds me of Lydia in BrBa.

They want to see the shutdown, but don't want to look at the consequences.

Creepy ass Todd = Cruz then?

 

[fskimospy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/04/us/politics/debt-limit-impasse.html?hp&_r=0

This may be a sign of the beginning of a Republican surrender.

If Boehner does this, I wonder what will happen to his speakership? It seems like the odds of an attempted coup from his right would be high. If such a thing happened, I wonder if Democrats would team up with moderate Republicans to keep Boehner or if something completely crazy would happen.

 

[ivwshane]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/04/us/politics/debt-limit-impasse.html?hp&_r=0

This may be a sign of the beginning of a Republican surrender.

If Boehner does this, I wonder what will happen to his speakership? It seems like the odds of an attempted coup from his right would be high. If such a thing happened, I wonder if Democrats would team up with moderate Republicans to keep Boehner or if something completely crazy would happen.

I have zero faith the guy will do the right thing. He has to be one of the worst speakers in history.

 

[Paul98]

Don't be fooled by what they say, many in the GOP want a government shutdown. They are getting what they want, only thing they want more is to defund the ACA. They can't lose, they can go back to the people they represent and say look what I did I helped shutdown the government. Also that they tried to get rid of Obamacare how ever many times they end up doing this.

Eventually the reasonable people in the GOP will vote with democrats and the government shutdown will end.

As for the ACA, how about you wait till parts are implemented see the actual problems with it then go about making changes to make it better. But this needs to be done in many areas of government, but we have lost sight of that with the crap that we have been dealing with for the last few years.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

This is pretty funny - from http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...nger-Over-Closed-WWII-Memorial-226209781.html

Congressman Confronts Park Ranger Over Closed WWII Memorial

Conflict over the responsibility for the government shutdown got personal at the World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C. Wednesday when a member of Congress confronted a U.S. Park Service Ranger over access to the closed park land.

The congressman was Randy Neugebauer, a Republican representing Texas. He confronted the ranger in the middle of a crowd of tourists as she was keeping most of the public out of the closed World War II memorial.

The Park Service has been allowing World War II vets who have traveled from all over the country to enter the memorial, even though it's closed during the government shutdown; the rangers say they are exercising their First Amendment rights as they let the veterans in.

But they are keeping the rest of the public out of the facility, which is officially closed. And that did not sit well with the congressman, reported News4's Mark Segraves, who witnessed the confrontation.

"How do you look at them and... deny them access?" said Neugebauer. He, with most House Republicans, had voted early Sunday morning to pass a funding measure that would delay the Affordable Care Act, a vote that set up a showdown with the Senate and President Barack Obama. With the parties unable to agree on how to fund the federal government, non-essential government functions shut down Tuesday.

"It's difficult," responded the Park Service employee.

"Well, it should be difficult," replied the congressman, who was carrying a small American flag in his breast pocket.

"It is difficult," responded the Park Service employee. "I'm sorry, sir."

"The Park Service should be ashamed of themselves," the congressman said.

"I'm not ashamed," replied the ranger.

At that point, a crowd of onlookers got involved. "Ask those questions of the people who aren't passing the budget," shouted a voice from the crowd. "That's who you need to ask these questions to."

"This woman is doing her job, just like me," shouted another. "I'm a 30-year federal veteran -- I'm out of work."

* * *

Honestly, I find it galling that a boob like this has the temerity (not to mention the spare time) to go castigate the very federal employees he has put out of a job. Give me a break . . .

 

[K1052]

This is pretty funny - from http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...nger-Over-Closed-WWII-Memorial-226209781.html



Honestly, I find it galling that a boob like this has the temerity (not to mention the spare time) to go castigate the very federal employees he has put out of a job. Give me a break . . .

He's a classy guy and a birther to boot

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34816.html

 

[hal2kilo]

He's a classy guy and a birther to boot

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34816.html

Would have expected nothing different.

Pure hubris from that crowd.

 

[fskimospy]

An interesting thing to note, as of this time there are enough Republicans on record saying that they would vote for a clean CR that it would pass if put to the floor for a vote.

 

[Juddog]

The GOP are just embarassing themselves with this shutdown business. Several of my facebook republican friends are actually kinda pissed about and are vowing now to vote democrat next election.

John Boehner has to be getting tired of these wild-dog tea-birther-wingnuts that are holding the country hostage for a bill that already passed and was already confirmed to be constitutional by a right-wing leaning surpreme court.

If the ACA has problems - how about you try to figure out how to make it better, instead of fighting tooth and nail against it? It may have flaws, but the flaws can be fixed with some teamwork. Instead of trying to fix it though they're just being asshats about the entire thing, risking throwing the economy back into the rut again.

The ACA was a step in the right direction - it can be made better. Premiums too high? How about you try to fix the premium rates or move to a single pay system? This entire thing is a joke and if their goal was to turn moderate Republicans away from the party, then their goal is working.

 

[Ns1]

lol tried to visit census.gov today and it was shut down.

A TRUE SIGN OF AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.

 

[Fern]

So I guess you've also wondered why he didn't just wave his hand and put in the public option like he and the Dems really really wanted to do from the get-go?

The Dems didn't "really want to do" a public option. It died because Dems in the Senate didn't want it. Less than half of the Dems Senators were ever for it.

I mean how frickin hard is it to understand that if the Dems had 60 votes to pass Obamacare, they also had 60 votes to pass a public option if they wanted it?

Fern

 

[werepossum]

The Dems didn't "really want to do" a public option. It died because Dems in the Senate didn't want it. Less than half of the Dems Senators were ever for it.

I mean how frickin hard is it to understand that if the Dems had 60 votes to pass Obamacare, they also had 60 votes to pass a public option if they wanted it?

Fern

If they put everyone one Medicare/Medicaid then it would be difficult to rob Medicare/Medicaid to help fund putting everyone on Medicare/Medicaid.

 

[dainthomas]

lol tried to visit census.gov today and it was shut down.

A TRUE SIGN OF AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.

The census is one of those non-essential things the tea party thinks we need to cut.

 

[BUnit1701]

This is pretty funny - from http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...nger-Over-Closed-WWII-Memorial-226209781.html



Honestly, I find it galling that a boob like this has the temerity (not to mention the spare time) to go castigate the very federal employees he has put out of a job. Give me a break . . .

But I assume your just fine with the boob in the White House ordering that federal employee to EXPEND WHAT LITTLE RESOURCES THEY DO HAVE TO KEEP THE CITIZENS OUT!!

 

[Theb]

This is pretty funny - from http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...nger-Over-Closed-WWII-Memorial-226209781.html



Honestly, I find it galling that a boob like this has the temerity (not to mention the spare time) to go castigate the very federal employees he has put out of a job. Give me a break . . .

Wow, it's not a parody article. That really happened.

 

[fskimospy]

But I assume your just fine with the boob in the White House ordering that federal employee to EXPEND WHAT LITTLE RESOURCES THEY DO HAVE TO KEEP THE CITIZENS OUT!!

You realize there are all sorts of liability issues, etc present, right?

 

[BUnit1701]

You realize there are all sorts of liability issues, etc present, right?

Strange these liability issues didn't seem to be a problem during the '95-'96 shutdown. And wouldn't signs indicating the gov is closed so has no liabaility be cheaper than barrycades and guards?

 

[Fern]

You realize there are all sorts of liability issues, etc present, right?

Nah, don't think so. It's frequently unmanned from what I hear. Having a ranger hanging around somewhere nearby isn't go todo crap as far preventing a slip & fall etc.

I think prevention of vandalism would be a better excuse. I seem to recall that not too long ago some woman went around throwing paint on statues and monuments etc.

Fern

 

[TerryMathews]

The Dems didn't "really want to do" a public option. It died because Dems in the Senate didn't want it. Less than half of the Dems Senators were ever for it.

I mean how frickin hard is it to understand that if the Dems had 60 votes to pass Obamacare, they also had 60 votes to pass a public option if they wanted it?

Fern

Look, you just don't get it. Obamacare was a compromise to appease the Republicans who wouldn't have voted for single payer.

Just never mind the fact that Republicans didn't vote for this plan. Didn't you know its the Republicans plan? :sly:

 

[OGOC]

Honestly, I find it galling that a boob like this has the temerity (not to mention the spare time) to go castigate the very federal employees he has put out of a job. Give me a break . . .

Republicans are willing to fund those employees. Obama and Senate Dems are not.

As for the park ranger, his "I'm not ashamed" is what gets me. He may be doing his job because someone higher up wanted to cause veterans pain out of spite, but you'd think he'd be ashamed of doing so.

Some people mentioned how Republicans are starting to cave or are fighting each other. There's 25 or so Democrats in the House that have been voting with the Republicans. I think the Democrats are cracking more than Republicans are. Harry Reid's temper tantrum at Dana Bash yesterday is one example.

I think the longer this goes on, the worse Democrats look. You can't be the leader of the free world but refuse to even pretend to lead without eventually taking some grief for it.

The House keeps passing funding bills and have given options to compromise, but Reid and Obama just say no no no while also doing and saying some very spiteful things. I don't think even the leftist media can defend them on that forever.

If the ACA has problems - how about you try to figure out how to make it better, instead of fighting tooth and nail against it? It may have flaws, but the flaws can be fixed with some teamwork.

Democrats didn't want any teamwork when passing it. They sure wouldn't want any teamwork to fix it.

Democrats also wouldn't want any teamwork to fix it because apparently they think there's nothing wrong with it.