What Mitch fears sounds good to me

[brycejones]

It's a matter of self governance.

Like what is your argument here?

 

[Zorba]

I don't want DC or PR to become states. DC was set up independent of any state control for a reason...and PR...just cut them loose. Let them become their own country again.

Split off just the government areas of DC and just make the non-government areas (the majority of DC) a state. It has more population than Wyoming and Vermont. PR would be the 32 most populous state.

 

[BoomerD]

Are you sure that isn't coconutitution?

Well...they are all kind of tropical...

(posting from a fone with ffs...fat fingers syndrome)

 

[BoomerD]

By that logic, yes, they should all get a say, which is what you said. Americans should have a say. They are Americans. Ergo, they should get a say.

Sure...but not the ONLY say.

 

[BoomerD]

Like what is your argument here?

That we could easily cut them loose...let them govern themselves.

 

[BoomerD]

Consider it...it's about 1,000 miles from Miami to San Juan...with Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Turks and Caicos, and the Bahamas in between. There's zero reason that PR should be associated with the USA. (similarly, Hawaii is ~2400 miles from California...but they at least have a strategic location.

 

[brycejones]

Consider it...it's about 1,000 miles from Miami to San Juan...with Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Turks and Caicos, and the Bahamas in between. There's zero reason that PR should be associated with the USA. (similarly, Hawaii is ~2400 miles from California...but they at least have a strategic location.

meh

 

[cytg111]

Holy crap yes please! That'll release me from worrying about US politics.

 

[zinfamous]

The old farts really need to stay out of the DC discussion.

agree. The modern reality of DC simply does not grok with the general concept of fair and equal representation. At the very least, getting Congress out of the business of local politics should have happened decades ago.

though the old fucks are right about one thing: statehood for DC requires a constitutional amendment as far as I understand it. This is...a very difficult thing to accomplish.

 

[zinfamous]

Consider it...it's about 1,000 miles from Miami to San Juan...with Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Turks and Caicos, and the Bahamas in between. There's zero reason that PR should be associated with the USA. (similarly, Hawaii is ~2400 miles from California...but they at least have a strategic location.

OK so what about Alaska?
Hawai'i?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Puerto Rico is a US territory. By the same logic, ALL US terrorltories should become states.

American Samoa, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico are all US territories, but PR and the Mariana Islands also have their own constitution.

Sounds like a good plan.

 

[IronWing]

agree. The modern reality of DC simply does not grok with the general concept of fair and equal representation. At the very least, getting Congress out of the business of local politics should have happened decades ago.

though the old fucks are right about one thing: statehood for DC requires a constitutional amendment as far as I understand it. This is...a very difficult thing to accomplish.

DC should reclaim its territory illegally occupied by Virginia.

One Beltway! One Metro! One Reich!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

OK so what about Alaska?
Hawai'i?

Seriously, distance from the US isn't a valid argument as long as Hawaii and Alaska are still parts of the US.

Yeah they have a constitution, just like all US states.


Yes they should have the right to self governance, just like the rest of the states do.

They should not be citizens without representation, doubly so for DC cuz they get taxed too. No taxation without representation! We had a whole fucking war about that!

 

[nOOky]

"No more US States shall be added because it will mess up the alignment of the stars on the flag" say conservatives that don't want any more foreigners becoming citizens, especially brown ones.

My niece married a guy from Puerto Rico. Nice guy that works in IT and also served in the Marines. According to some he should not be allowed to vote or be considered a citizen because.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If mitch the glitch is against it, rational people are for it.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, DC outside of the very explicit federal area should be a state. It makes way more sense as a state than Wyoming, as others have mentioned. Puerto Rico should also be a state if they want it.

What people don’t want to say is that DC at least is a nakedly partisan advantage for democrats but who cares? Do people not realize the reason two Dakotas exist was naked partisan advantage?

Adding states is inherently political. It’s not a problem.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Abolish DC as it currently is configured. Split the city of DC among the two states like the KCs.

 

[fskimospy]

Abolish DC as it currently is configured. Split the city of DC among the two states like the KCs.

Why not just make it a state?

 

[brycejones]

Abolish DC as it currently is configured. Split the city of DC among the two states like the KCs.

You do know the two KCs were founded at different times and always were distinct political entities?

 

[fskimospy]

Again I would love anyone to make an argument why DC statehood is wrong but two Dakotas is right.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^^ Look at the reason DC was created.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Why not just make it a state?

Because it isn't a state. It can't be a state legally. The way for residents to get 'full rights' is to absorb them into MD or VA and leave the Federal Lands under Federal authority.

 

[brycejones]

^^^ Look at the reason DC was created.

Kind of a laughable response given your approach.

 

[fskimospy]

Because it isn't a state. It can't be a state legally. The way for residents to get 'full rights' is to absorb them into MD or VA and leave the Federal Lands under Federal authority.

This is... not true.

 

[hal2kilo]

Split off just the government areas of DC and just make the non-government areas (the majority of DC) a state. It has more population than Wyoming and Vermont. PR would be the 32 most populous state.

Be hard to separate government areas and where people live in DC. People, not land, are who should be represented.