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Fenixgoon

Fenixgoon

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hal2kilo said:
Be hard to separate government areas and where people live in DC. People, not land, are who should be represented.
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Sure. So the Capitol grounds, white house, supreme Court, etc are federal lands.

Everything else? DC the state. If people can make crazy-ass gerrymandered districts, I have 0 doubt there is a way to separate the "federal" and "civilian/State" lands of DC
 
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Fanatical Meat

Fanatical Meat

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Fenixgoon said:
Sure. So the Capitol grounds, white house, supreme Court, etc are federal lands.

Everything else? DC the state. If people can make crazy-ass gerrymandered districts, I have 0 doubt there is a way to separate the "federal" and "civilian/State" lands of DC
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Point being in our modern times I have zero fear of a DC Mayor/ruler or whatever putting up a blockade to prevent congress or the court from meeting and if they did they’d simply meet elsewhere. People aren’t walking to these things anymore.
 
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fskimospy

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Fenixgoon said:
Sure. So the Capitol grounds, white house, supreme Court, etc are federal lands.

Everything else? DC the state. If people can make crazy-ass gerrymandered districts, I have 0 doubt there is a way to separate the "federal" and "civilian/State" lands of DC
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Exactly. The federal area itself would remain as a non-state but very few people live there. You could turn the other 90%+ of the city into a state.
 
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dank69

dank69

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I'll take 18 new senators please:

  • American Samoa.
  • Guam.
  • Republic of the Marshall Islands.
  • Federated States of Micronesia.
  • Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.
  • Republic of Palau.
  • Puerto Rico.
  • U.S. Virgin Islands.
  • DC
 
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MrSquished

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Some people just can't let tradition get out of the way when it doesn't make sense besides that's just the way it is.

Reminds me of that fiddler on the roof song.

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dullard

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dank69 said:
I'll take 18 new senators please:

  • American Samoa.
  • Guam.
  • Republic of the Marshall Islands.
  • Federated States of Micronesia.
  • Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.
  • Republic of Palau.
  • Puerto Rico.
  • U.S. Virgin Islands.
  • DC
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What you fail to see is that having extra representation (2 senators regardless of population) and extra presidential election power (2 more Electoral College votes) is only a good constitutional idea if the small states are republican.
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP

Lost_in_the_HTTP

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Which some of them are. Right, maybe far right.

I looked at that a while back regarding the non-voting House members. I was hoping they could swing the House to (D), but found some of them would vote with (R)s.
 
Lost_in_the_HTTP

Lost_in_the_HTTP

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And there is at least a chance that the Pacific Islands would be grouped into one state and the Caribbean Islands into another, so two, not six or seven.
 
dank69

dank69

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dullard said:
What you fail to see is that having extra representation (2 senators regardless of population) and extra presidential election power (2 more Electoral College votes) is only a good constitutional idea if the small states are republican.
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Yeah I can't look through the conservative lens, it's nauseating.
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP

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I don't see why PR and VI could not be combined into one state .... other than maybe the residents of the two islands wouldn't want it.
 
dullard

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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
PR, open the door, let them decide.
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That is closer than many realize.

The last referendum in 2020, which was non-binding, was 52.5% in favor of statehood. Then in 2022, the Puerto Rico Status Act passed the House but not the Senate (controlled by Mitch the subject of this thread). Now in November 2024, there will be another non-binding vote, but this time remaining as a territory is not an option (the vote includes going independent): https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-status-plebiscite-election-e763c4d11e10a42fb557bd1bbd722614
 
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Zorba

Zorba

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dank69 said:
I'll take 18 new senators please:

  • American Samoa.
  • Guam.
  • Republic of the Marshall Islands.
  • Federated States of Micronesia.
  • Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.
  • Republic of Palau.
  • Puerto Rico.
  • U.S. Virgin Islands.
  • DC
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Don't forget the Republic of South California.
 
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pmv

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Kind of depressing that the right of the Republican party is better at coming up with a decent policy platform for the Democrats than the Democrats are. I hope Harris is taking notes.
 
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fskimospy

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pmv said:
Kind of depressing that the right of the Republican party is better at coming up with a decent policy platform for the Democrats than the Democrats are. I hope Harris is taking notes.
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What is that policy?
 
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