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What is with the media love for black cop killers?

ProfJohn

ProfJohn

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Troy Davis killed a cop in front of 9 people!

Four of them said in court that Troy was the one who pulled the trigger.
Five of them said in court that the guy in the white shirt pulled the trigger.
Multiple other people confirmed that the guy in white was Davis.

So why in the hell is the media going around and glorifying this guy?

Go to yahoo.com and right on the front page
"Family, friends mourn executed Ga. inmate at funeral"

Troy Davis mourned as a martyr by 1,000 in Ga.
http://news.yahoo.com/troy-davis-mourned-martyr-1-000-ga-200346278.html

Read the article, it is disgusting. Complete and utter trash and hero worship of a guy who fired a gun into a car and killed a cop on the same night. (no mention of that in the article btw)

Or a story about how his 17 year old nephew spoke at the funeral "You really shouldn't be sad all the time, you should be happy and be positive," Davis-Correia said. "That's the attitude my uncle instilled in me."

Did he teach you anything about killing cops or shooting people because they were talking to more girls that you were?

Or the idiot pastor: "He transformed a prison sentence into a pulpit," the Rev. Raphael Warnock, pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, said in his eulogy Saturday. "He turned death row into a sanctuary."


Where was he the week before when Texas executed the guy who killed James Byrd???
That guy claimed he was innocent too and there are no eye witnesses in that case. And yet no outrage in the media and no stories about HIS funeral...


The whole thing is disgusting. If you want to be a media hero and are black just kill a cop and get sentenced to death.
 
I wouldn't say that it is a love for "cop killers", but a distaste for the entire premise/concept of capital punishment.
 
Why does ProfJohn like to lie to attack blacks?

Reports say that 7 of the 9 witnesses have recanted their testimony, and one of the two remaining has 10 people saying he was the killer.

There is no physical evidence at all saying he was the killer. That doesn't prove him innocent, but that's not the standard in our system.

Unlike PJ who wasn't there, at least three jurors who were now say they'd acquit him.
 
Craig234 said:
Why does ProfJohn like to lie to attack blacks?

Reports say that 7 of the 9 witnesses have recanted their testimony, and one of the two remaining has 10 people saying he was the killer.

There is no physical evidence at all saying he was the killer. That doesn't prove him innocent, but that's not the standard in our system.

Unlike PJ who wasn't there, at least three jurors who were now say they'd acquit him.
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Its the same way you lie to attack women and white people.
 
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It is 22 years later, that is what all the second guessing is about. Recant my ass this dude is guilty as shit. The time to recant and change the out come is during the trial and all the nearly endless appeals ( that he lost each and every one ). What all of these courts are defective. BS. There was evidence the shell casings from another shooting that he was convicted of match the shell casings from this shooting.
 
OP, I don't really see what the color of his skin has to do with anything. This story is getting media attention across the world because of people changing their story 20 years later - not because he's black. The guy was guilty. Capital punishment isn't as popular today. Not surprising.
 
I don't think capital punishment is in great support because it's prone to error. I think killing 1 wrong person is enough to throw away the entire system. It's bad enough when we put the wrong person in prison for 20 years let alone killing the wrong people. I'm not going to talk about this case as I know nothing about it but surely we all can agree killing innocent people should not be taken lightly.
 
Craig234 said:
No, you like. Your post there is evidence. Let's see your evidence, you have none.

Because you're a liar, and after you fail to reply going on a long, long overdue ignore.
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You threaten to ignore someone in almost every thread on here. At some point does the forum from your perspective just become you and eskimospy blowing each other while watching Marxist pornography?
 
randomrogue said:
OP, I don't really see what the color of his skin has to do with anything. This story is getting media attention across the world because of people changing their story 20 years later - not because he's black. The guy was guilty. Capital punishment isn't as popular today. Not surprising.
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Also, since when did media coverage of something mean the media agrees with the sentiment being expressed?
 
KK said:
Who says, the media? Since when are they supposed to be taken seriously?

I'm very much for it. I think it should be used much much more often.
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How about nearly all first-world governments, many US states, most Christian churches, and many other organizations. Seems to me that it is only a matter of time before the US outlaws the practice as a whole, too. Support for capital punishment has been dwindling over the past few decades. I'm sure that there are several polls you could cite, too.
 
Why should a man with overwhelming evidence to convict him of killing a cop be glorified? Why does the strong evidence of his guilt get ignored, while the hearsay and weak last ditch efforts to use smoke and mirrors to conjure up his innocence get attention from the apologists?

It's possible because he's black and there is a disgusting amount of some bizarro PC regarding the judgement of black men in the US.

Maybe none of us really appreciate how far the affirmative action supporters are willing to go to apologize for the deficiencies in those it attempts to prop up?

It doesn't make any sense to most folks PJ.
 
Nebor said:
You threaten to ignore someone in almost every thread on here. At some point does the forum from your perspective just become you and eskimospy blowing each other while watching Marxist pornography?
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That is what I wonder as well. It seems like most people who ignore others are on the left in this forum. It kind of makes you wonder about how they live their lives if all they do is shutout people who say things they disagree with. I don't have ANYONE here, because I am a tolerant and open person. ()🙂
 
Because eye witness testimony is a terrible form of evidence to rely upon. Its easily manipulated. And it was alot worse in the 1980s.

Oh and most recanted. Some even implicated police misconduct in obtaining their eye witness statements.
 
Attic said:
Why should a man with overwhelming evidence to convict him of killing a cop be glorified? Why does the strong evidence of his guilt get ignored, while the hearsay and weak last ditch efforts to use smoke and mirrors to conjure up his innocence get attention from the apologists?

It's possible because he's black and there is a disgusting amount of some bizarro PC regarding the judgement of black men in the US.

Maybe none of us really appreciate how far the affirmative action supporters are willing to go to apologize for the deficiencies in those it attempts to prop up?

It doesn't make any sense to most folks PJ.
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People recanting their statements is not hearsay. And if it were hearsay it would fall under a hearsay exception.

Even the federal judge appointed to oversee his appeal thought there were problems with the case. Unfortunately the burden of proof a defendant has to meet to prove his innocence in an appeal like the one Troy Davis had is next to impossible meet.

Innocent people are rarely freed because they were innocent. Those that are, are typically because DNA evidence exnorates them. Most people who are innocent, get released because there were errors in the trial. Appeals of innocence rarely work because the burden is far to high. If you are innocent, and there were no errors in your trial, the appeals process doesn't work all that well for you.
 
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MovingTarget said:
How about nearly all first-world governments, many US states, most Christian churches, and many other organizations. Seems to me that it is only a matter of time before the US outlaws the practice as a whole, too. Support for capital punishment has been dwindling over the past few decades. I'm sure that there are several polls you could cite, too.
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That doesn't line up.


From Nov '07
Gallup's annual Crime Survey finds that 64% of Americans continue to support the use of the death penalty for persons convicted of murder, while 29% oppose it -- continuing a trend that has shown little change over the last seven years.
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Taken from,
http://www.gallup.com/poll/144284/support-death-penalty-cases-murder.aspx
 
Wreckem said:
People recanting their statements is not hearsay. And if it were hearsay it would fall under a hearsay exception.
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From Wiki regarding considerations of new evidence in the case.

In 2009, the Supreme Court of the United States ordered the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Georgia to consider whether new evidence "that could not have been obtained at the time of trial clearly establishes [Davis's] innocence". The evidentiary hearing was held in June 2010. The defense presented affidavits from seven of the nine trial witnesses whose original testimony had identified Davis as the murderer, but who it contended had changed or recanted their previous testimony. Some of these writings disavowed parts of prior testimony, or implicated Sylvester "Redd" Coles, whom Davis contended was the actual triggerman. The state presented witnesses, including the police investigators and original prosecutors, who described a careful investigation of the crime, without any coercion. Davis did not call some of the witnesses who had supposedly recanted, despite their presence in the courthouse; accordingly their affidavits were given little weight by the judge. Evidence that Coles had confessed to the killing was excluded as hearsay because Coles was not subpoenaed by the defense to rebut it. In an August 2010 decision, the conviction was upheld. The court described defense efforts to upset the conviction as "largely smoke and mirrors" and found that several of the proffered affidavits were not recantations at all. Subsequent appeals, including to the Supreme Court, were rejected, and a fourth execution date was set for September 21, 2011
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Wreckem said:
People recanting their statements is not hearsay. And if it were hearsay it would fall under a hearsay exception.

Even the federal judge appointed to oversee his appeal thought there were problems with the case. Unfortunately the burden of proof a defendant has to meet to prove his innocence in an appeal like the one Troy Davis had is next to impossible meet.

Innocent people are rarely freed because they were innocent. Those that are, are typically because DNA evidence exnorates them. Most people who are innocent, get released because there were errors in the trial. Appeals of innocence rarely work because the burden is far to high. If you are innocent, and there were no errors in your trial, the appeals process doesn't work all that well for you.
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In part, you can thank a bill passed to reduce the rights of inmates to prove their innocence later in court (yes, back under the Republican congress, IIRC.

That includes time limits for 'new evidence of innocence'. Sorry you only just now had the proof you are innocent come out.

Scalia had a quote about the issue that 'innocence is not a defense'. His quote:

This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is “actually” innocent.
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Craig234 said:
In part, you can thank a bill passed to reduce the rights of inmates to prove their innocence later in court (yes, back under the Republican congress, IIRC.

That includes time limits for 'new evidence of innocence'. Sorry you only just now had the proof you are innocent come out.

Scalia had a quote about the issue that 'innocence is not a defense'. His quote:
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Theres is a current case in Texas, where a guy was convicted of killing his wife 25 years ago. He got life in prison. I believe hes been offered parole if he admitted guilt, but he refuses to admit guilt. The DA fought for years to keep him from getting DNA testing done. The court finally ordered it. DNA testing came back and the evidence shows the guy probably didn't do it, and whoever did was linked to another unsolved crime. There is also evidence the original DA and prosecutors witheld excuplatory evidence.

The current DA is still fighting to keep the man in jail. Who is the DA? The same fucker that sandbagged the Forensic Science Commissions investigation into the Willingham case.

When the guy gets released, Texas will owe him a $2million lump sum and a $2million annuity. Unless of course the DA plays dirty tricks to prevent payout. Which has happened in other cases.
 
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Executions are dropping. They peaked in 1999.

The US is one of the few countries in the western world who use it.

About 2/5 of the states don't use capital punishment.

There have been 1271 executions since the 70's. There have been 138 people on death row that were exonerated. That's over 10%.

Now lets look at cost. Death row inmates cost CA an EXTRA $114 million dollars a year. $51 million for Florida.

The total cost for each of CA's executions is $250,000,000 (With 11 executions spread over 27 years). That's money out of CA taxpayers pockets. It's $24,000,000 for Florida.

California could save $1 billion over five years by replacing the death penalty with permanent imprisonment.

Texas death row cases cost 3 times as much money as it costs to imprison someone for 40 years at their highest security level.

Maryland spent $186,000,000 executing 5 people.

It's dumb. It's not worth the cost.

Does the death penalty reduce murder? 90% of Criminologists say no.
 
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