What is with pedestrians in parking lots?

[Bulk Beef]

you want a legal citation? here's one...

CRS #42-4-802 establishes the following: ​

“The driver of a vehicle shall yield the right of way, slowing down or stopping if need be to so yield, to a pedestrian crossing the roadway

within a crosswalk”
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the LAW states i do not need to pay attention while walking in a crosswalk in a parking lot.

Still waiting...
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[ShawnD1]

What I love about traffic rules and right of way is that I'm legally allowed to kill other people or myself. Suppose I'm driving a Ford 350 diesel and it's winter. At an intersection, some guy tries to turn left in front of me. Because his car is not a Subaru, the turn takes a lot longer than he anticipated. Since I'm going straight and I have the right of way, I'm not required to attempt stopping. I can just hammer the gas, crash into him, and kill his entire family.

That's how right of way works. Anything is automatically the other person's fault. If you run out in front of a bus and the bus hits you, it's the bus driver's fault.

 

[GotIssues]

What I love about traffic rules and right of way is that I'm legally allowed to kill other people or myself. Suppose I'm driving a Ford 350 diesel and it's winter. At an intersection, some guy tries to turn left in front of me. Because his car is not a Subaru, the turn takes a lot longer than he anticipated. Since I'm going straight and I have the right of way, I'm not required to attempt stopping. I can just hammer the gas, crash into him, and kill his entire family.

That's how right of way works. Anything is automatically the other person's fault. If you run out in front of a bus and the bus hits you, it's the bus driver's fault.

#1. No, flooring it to hit them is illegal, regardless of Right-of-Way. It is 100% illegal to intentionally cause an accident. Your ass would get nailed to the wall for this.

#2. The law used to attempt to prove Right-of-Way for pededstrians "conveniently" left off this next tidbit that completely blows your attempt at an argument out of the water:

Did you stop reading at that sentence? The rest of the law:

3) No pedestrian shall suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and ride a bicycle, ride an electrical assisted bicycle, walk, or run into the path of a moving vehicle that is so close as to constitute an immediate hazard.

Exactly how do you expect to comply with that without looking before entering the crosswalk? Really, I'm stunned that some of you imbeciles seriously think that "right of way" means you have zero resposibility for your own safety. I suppose that's why states like California explicitly note that pedestrians still have responsibilities even when they have the right of way: "This section does not relieve a pedestrian from the duty of due care for his or her safety."

Your laughable understanding of the law aside, "right of way" statutes apply to public streets, not private property. A collision in a parking lot is generally only a civil matter.

Right of way is to clarify who gets priorities under what conditions. It doesn't relieve anyone of the responsibility to take all available safety measures to prevent accidents.

 

[Exterous]

This is a bit of a side note but I see parents doing this all the time with kids in strollers/carts. Yeah - great you want to be a douchebag and not pay attention in a parking lot but you are really going to risk the life of your kid because you aren't paying attention?

Regardless of the merits of 'right of way' you'd think there would be at least some concern for their kids...

 

[guyver01]

Still waiting...​

when you're of legal age to learn to read, and to learn to drive... then you'll learn what RIGHT OF WAY means.

geeze.. you're like TridenT...

 

[Bulk Beef]

when you're of legal age to learn to read, and to learn to drive... then you'll learn what RIGHT OF WAY means.

If you're having trouble finding something, just say so.

 

[GotIssues]

when you're of legal age to learn to read, and to learn to drive... then you'll learn what RIGHT OF WAY means.

geeze.. you're like TridenT...

Your own "proof" was turned against you. You purposefully omitted parts of the law in order to attempt to bolster your argument, someone else looked up the law that very plainly states that the pedestrian has to pay attention.

If anyone here is the new TridenT, it's you. You are still clinging to your utterly wrong stance, and refusing to acknowledge the facts very clearly presented to you proving how utterly wrong you are.

 

[Bulk Beef]

the LAW states i do not need to pay attention while walking in a crosswalk in a parking lot.

Tell you what.

I'll make this really, really, super easy for you. Give me a link to any law anywhere in the U.S. that says that a pedestrian does not need to pay attention. Any time, any place. Doesn't matter.

 

[Zenmervolt]

That assumes there is some sort of witness. Otherwise the driver is at fault no matter what the dumb ass pedestrian did.

If there are no witnesses, then there's no reason to believe either the driver's or the pedestrian's story by default. In that case you have to go by available evidence unless you can show good reason why one or the other's story should be suspect (e.g. pedestrian had just been thrown out of a bar for being too drunk to be served).

If the pedestrian was hit 2 feet from the curb and there are skid marks starting 3 feet from the crosswalk, you don't need witnesses, the evidence at the scene will support the assertion that the pedestrian walked out without giving the driver time to react. While shows like CSI give way too much credit to forensic evidence, the fact is that in most cases there's enough evidence to handle things even when there are no witnesses.

ZV

 

[guyver01]

You purposefully omitted parts of the law in order to attempt to bolster your argument, someone else looked up the law that very plainly states that the pedestrian has to pay attention.

i quoted the statute IN FULL as it exists in COLORADO

someone quoted another statute for a different situation IN GEORGIA


two different states

stop TridenTing yourself

 

[sao123]

I think you are missing the point. Would you rather:

A) Walk blindly into the the crosswalk and be hit by a driver not paying attention, get injured and ruin your day....possibly longer

or

B) Take half a second and look both ways before crossing (like we were all taught as young children) and completely remove scenario A from the equation.

A little common sense goes a long way.

I think you are the one who fails to get it...

TEH YELLOW PAINT = CAR FREE ZONE
for teh lulz.

Keep your car out of my walking path.

 

[rh71]

I pick my wife up at the train station every night and a whole bunch of people go directly to the lot where I wait for her. They'd walk in the middle of the "road" - some people seem to realize there's a vehicle behind them as I try to drive through slowly and some people leave their minds on the train. At some point they'd turn around and have an OH MY GOD OOPS look. Is it really hard to hear a running engine ON YOUR ASS? No, no earphones.

 

[GotIssues]

i quoted the statute IN FULL as it exists in COLORADO

someone quoted another statute for a different situation IN GEORGIA


two different states

stop TridenTing yourself

Have you ever admitted you are wrong in your entire life, or do you just continually pretend that you are always right and hope everyone else drops it after the 800th time they've corrected you?

http://www.google.com/search?q=pede...rian+colorado+responsibilities&aq=f&aqi=&aql=

Take your pick.

If you keep this up, we'll be calling TridenT a guyver01. You truly are testing the boundaries on how fucking stupid you can be. It's like arguing with a wall, except a wall has a higher IQ.

 

[Bulk Beef]

CRS #42-4-802 establishes the following:

“The driver of a vehicle shall yield the right of way, slowing down or stopping if need be to so yield, to a pedestrian crossing the roadway
within a crosswalk”

i quoted the statute IN FULL as it exists in COLORADO

See, now you're not just wrong, you're actually straight up lying.

42-4-802. Pedestrians' right-of-way in crosswalks.

(1) When traffic control signals are not in place or not in operation, the driver of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way, slowing down or stopping if need be to so yield, to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within a crosswalk when the pedestrian is upon the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle is traveling or when the pedestrian is approaching so closely from the opposite half of the roadway as to be in danger.

(2) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply under the conditions stated in section 42-4-803.

(3) No pedestrian shall suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and ride a bicycle, ride an electrical assisted bicycle, walk, or run into the path of a moving vehicle that is so close as to constitute an immediate hazard.

(4) Whenever any vehicle is stopped at a marked crosswalk or at any unmarked crosswalk at an intersection to permit a pedestrian to cross the roadway, the driver of any other vehicle approaching from the rear shall not overtake and pass such stopped vehicle.

(5) Whenever special pedestrian-control signals exhibiting "Walk" or "Don't Walk" word or symbol indications are in place, as declared in the traffic control manual adopted by the department of transportation, such signals shall indicate and require as follows:

(a) "Walk" (steady): While the "Walk" indication is steadily illuminated, pedestrians facing such signal may proceed across the roadway in the direction of the signal indication and shall be given the right-of-way by the drivers of all vehicles.

(b) "Don't Walk" (steady): While the "Don't Walk" indication is steadily illuminated, no pedestrian shall enter the roadway in the direction of the signal indication.

(c) "Don't Walk" (flashing): Whenever the "Don't Walk" indication is flashing, no pedestrian shall start to cross the roadway in the direction of such signal indication, but any pedestrian who has partly completed crossing during the "Walk" indication shall proceed to a sidewalk or to a safety island, and all drivers of vehicles shall yield to any such pedestrian.

(d) Whenever a signal system provides for the stopping of all vehicular traffic and the exclusive movement of pedestrians and "Walk" and "Don't Walk" signal indications control such pedestrian movement, pedestrians may cross in any direction between corners of the intersection offering the shortest route within the boundaries of the intersection while the "Walk" indication is exhibited, if signals and other official devices direct pedestrian movement in such manner consistent with section 42-4-803 (4).

(6) Any person who violates any provision of this section commits a class A traffic infraction.

You were saying something about reading ability?

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[DaTT]

I think you are the one who fails to get it...

TEH YELLOW PAINT = CAR FREE ZONE
for teh lulz.

Keep your car out of my walking path.

Do I hover over the paint in my new hover car that can hover?

 

[guyver01]

See, now you're not just wrong, you're actually straight up lying.

You were saying something about reading ability?

dude... this thread is about crossing in a parking lot...

give it the fuck up already... you want to turn it into a all inclusive thread... start a different one.. you're taking it off topic and i'm done discussing this with you.

go back to sleep kid.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Dude... All I asked for was a law backing up your bold assertion. I even gave you a lot of latitude to play with. You posted a law that said something else, you insulted anybody that pointed that out to you, and you lied about what you posted.

You're clearly upset about this, so if it's a touchy subject for you, I'll leave it alone. Sorry if I made you sad.

 

[guyver01]

Dude... All I asked for was a law backing up your bold assertion.

do me a favor

go driving thru a parking lot (since that is what this thread is about)

don't stop for pedestrians in the crosswalks

tell the cop the pedestrian should have been more careful.

when the cop arrests you... tell him you DEMAND to know what law he's arresting you on. (this will answer your question)

report back to us in 20 years when you get out of jail.

ok?

 

[Bulk Beef]

go driving thru a parking lot (since that is what this thread is about)

don't stop for pedestrians in the crosswalks

tell the cop the pedestrian should have been more careful.

Cool. I'm actually better about stopping for pedestrians than most drivers, whether they have the right of way or not.

Can you tell me how that relates to this?

the LAW states i do not need to pay attention while walking in a crosswalk in a parking lot.

I'll let you think about it. Meanwhile I actually do have to get some sleep. I'm getting up pretty early tomorrow for my last semester of clinical rotations on a Neuro Trauma ICU, where I get to deal with the consequences of some of the dumb shit you're proposing in this thread. I'll ask one of the ped strike patients tomorrow if having had the right of way makes him feel better, and tell him to blink once for "yes" or twice for "no."

 

[guyver01]

I'll ask one of the ped strike patients tomorrow if having had the right of way makes him feel better, and tell him to blink once for "yes" or twice for "no."

make sure it happened in a parking lot (again.. the premise of this thread) .. and also make sure to get his info so you can follow up in 6 months after the civil trial against the driver who hit him ends.. this way we can find out how much bankroll he's pulling in.

 

[guyver01]

btw.. almost forgot..

 

[Robsasman]

(3) No pedestrian shall suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and ride a bicycle, ride an electrical assisted bicycle, walk, or run into the path of a moving vehicle that is so close as to constitute an immediate hazard.


You forgot about this too, which applies everywhere. You walk in front of a moving car that doesn't have time to stop it's not the drivers fault.

 

[wischeez]

btw.. almost forgot..

Those are ROAD signs, not parking lot. Also, it says IN CROSSWALK, not stepping into the road. We have the same laws here.

 

[guyver01]

Also, it says IN CROSSWALK, not stepping into the road. We have the same laws here.

which is what this thread is about...

pedestrians in crosswalks... in a parking lot.

nothing more.
nothing else.


everyone else is making it into a pedestrian jumping into the middle of the highway thread.

 

[wischeez]

But the signs you posted will not be in a parking lot crosswalk. Those are road signs, found on roads. Here, if you are not yet in the crosswalk, traffic does not have to yeild. Only people like myself try to be nice and stop for someone waiting to cross that is not yet in the crosswalk. State law here says they must be in the crosswalk for vehicles to yield. We just had a kid run down here that was NOT in a crosswalk (no crosswalk at that street), but the car in the left lane stopped and the one in the right lane did not. No charges were filed.
Also, I have yet to see a "yield to pedestrians" sign in a parking lot here. Just common courtesy to do that I guess.