What is this about Minneapolis "defunding" its PD?

[ondma]

Say whhaaaaaattttt? Isn't OP in post 288 said at least one politician said it would be white privilege to expect the police to come if anyone broke into your house

"Then a Minneapolis city council member went on CNN and claimed that the notion that we should expect emergency services if someone breaks into our homes is an example of "white privilege.""

and your own post 282 stated politicians want to cut the police budget severely?

......"a significant portion of the City Council that did in fact push for severe cuts in the police force, despite rising violence"

I strongly disagree with the city council members who favor severe cuts in the police department (as does Mayor Frey and the Chief of Police, who I believe truly wants reform.) Bottom line however, is that a plan was passed that somewhat decreased the budget for the police department, but allowed for retention of the same number of officers previously authorized. That is probably a decent compromise in light of the reduced revenue due the the Covid slowdown.

Personally, I would have liked to see more money allocated to the PD, with funds directed toward moderately increasing the number of officers, toward mandated training in conflict resolution by non-lethal means, and providing trained social/psychological resources to deal with some situations. But nearly every department in both of the Twin Cities is facing severe monetary shortages due to the Covid slowdown, so that is simply not realistic.

Edit: At least as severe a problem as the extreme liberals on the City Council is the Police Union which is fighting tooth and nail to block reform and even to protect the officers involved in the George Floyd incident.

 

[MrSquished]

I want better trained, more educated but much more accountable police. That might even take more money in some areas even. Also stop the militarization of police. Obama stopped giving them military gear, but of course trump reversed that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I want better trained, more educated but much more accountable police. That might even take more money in some areas even. Also stop the militarization of police. Obama stopped giving them military gear, but of course trump reversed that.

Conservatives lost their minds when Obama dare challenged the status quo.

 

[Leeea]

From another thread and from a newbie. LOL.



. Word. It is applicable to ALL. Do as we say and not as we do, eh?

Must. Stop. Laughing. So. Hard.

You know, after thinking it through, I was wrong.
Insults are completely appropriate.

You are posting delusional conspiracy theories because you are sick, experiencing delusions, and in need of mental health treatment.


It will not happen right away, but if you life long enough, you will get the help you need in the re-education camps.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You know, after thinking it through, I was wrong.
Insults are completely appropriate.

You are posting delusional conspiracy theories because you are sick, experiencing delusions, and in need of mental health treatment.


It will not happen right away, but if you life long enough, you will get the help you need in the re-education camps.

Stick around and you will see those same posters whining about being call idiots just constantly calling other people names. It's just classic conservative conditioning.

 

[brycejones]

You know, after thinking it through, I was wrong.
Insults are completely appropriate.

You are posting delusional conspiracy theories because you are sick, experiencing delusions, and in need of mental health treatment.


It will not happen right away, but if you life long enough, you will get the help you need in the re-education camps.

You're going to end up in someone's binders full of posts. You're responding to someone who believes that his opinions are just as valid as anyone's regardless of their lack of factual basis and therefore they shouldn't be questioned. I have him on ignore.

 

[Svnla]

You know, after thinking it through, I was wrong.
Insults are completely appropriate.

You are posting delusional conspiracy theories because you are sick, experiencing delusions, and in need of mental health treatment.


It will not happen right away, but if you life long enough, you will get the help you need in the re-education camps.

Nope. Too late newbie. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Can't change it when it no longer fits into your agenda.

Me posting delusional conspiracy theories? Feel free to point them out in FULL context from the link I posted above which was from Washington Post in which another poster claimed it was "propaganda". Liberals love to talk about "honesty", "integrity", "fairness", "equality". Do as you guys say and not as you do, eh? x 10000000000. Take your time, sweet cheek.


One more thing. WWYBYWB? You sound familiar.

 

[Leeea]

You're going to end up in someone's binders full of posts.

oh, I already am.

I spent several years on reddit providing links to show various Syrian rebel groups were connected on to AQ. That was way more dangerous then this.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Nope. Too late newbie. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Me posting delusional conspiracy theories? Feel free to point them out in FULL context from the link I posted above which was from Washington Post in which another poster claimed it was "propaganda". Liberals love to talk about "honesty", "integrity", "fairness", "equality". Do as you guys say and not as you do, eh? x 10000000000.


One more thing. WWYBYWB? You sound familiar.

"Say what you mean andean what you say", says the guy who edits posts constantly, lol. Your schtick is classic conservative behavior.

 

[MtnMan]

I live in a city of about 90K. It's pretty liberal, thus are the makeup of city council. Council voted to take a small percentage (3%) of funds away from the PD, but also transferred some of the non-law enforcement tasks to other departments in the city. So pretty much a token gesture, but wash for the PD.

However, the PD staffing is down 53 officers a 37% reduction in staffing due to resignations and retirements, the majority of which are leaving the profession, reducing the PD presence significantly. Of course this mostly results in inconvenience and aggravation for citizens. Get in a fender bender, you do need a copy of a police report for your insurance company. Plan to wait a while. Property crimes, someone will call you back and take a report... maybe.

Overtime is way up, hard on those still working, not to mention not cost effective due to filling in gaps with time and a half pay rates.

 

[brycejones]

My mother served on the city council of her small city. She dared to question why the police department was only buying Tahoes and replacing them every two years. Her suggestion was to spend the savings on basic park upkeep like replacing swings. Some things she heard from her fellow council members:

1. I won't be responsible for someone being murdered because the police car won't start. (City hasn't had a murder since her sister was murdered there in 1979)
2. We have to buy Tahoes because every police office is also cross trained as a rescue diver and fire fighter and they have to carry their equipment with them at all times.

She lasted one term and lost to the guy she defeated originally who didn't question anything.

 

[ch33zw1z]

My mother served on the city council of her small city. She dared to question why the police department was only buying Tahoes and replacing them every two years. Her suggestion was to spend the savings on basic park upkeep like replacing swings. Some things she heard from her fellow council members:

1. I won't be responsible for someone being murdered because the police car won't start. (City hasn't had a murder since her sister was murdered there in 1979)
2. We have to buy Tahoes because every police office is also cross trained as a rescue diver and fire fighter and they have to carry their equipment with them at all times.

She lasted one term and lost to the guy she defeated originally who didn't question anything.

This. In my small town, it's the same. Yet funding the fire department is a battle, funding emt? Yea right

 

[MtnMan]

This. In my small town, it's the same. Yet funding the fire department is a battle, funding emt? Yea right

Same level of asswipery that feel they don't have to pull over and get out of the way for a firetruck or ambulance. As a volunteer firefighter I saw this too often.

One case, the guy in a big Lincoln Town Car, didn't want to pull over for probably half a mile, until I finially got around him by laying on the air horns, and got around him on a straightaway. Guess whose house was on fire?

 

[KMFJD]

Report: Phoenix police officer said, 'If the mayor defunds the police, I'm going to shoot her'

A Phoenix police officer threatened to shoot Mayor Kate Gallego during a meeting in October, according to a police report.

www.azcentral.com

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When Officer Steven Poulos expressed his thoughts, the room went quiet: "If the mayor defunds the police, I'm going to shoot her," Poulos' sergeant recalled hearing the officer say, referring to Mayor Kate Gallego.

The sergeant broke the silence, saying, "You're not going to shoot the mayor."

Poulos doubled down, "That's a promise," he responded.

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They really need to defund the police and limit the power of Police unions

 

[woolfe9998]

So I've been complaining for awhile about how politically inept "defund the police" has been for the left. Well, the repugs just stepped in it. Tommy Tuberville, the new Alabama Senator, you know, the one who: misidentified the three branches of the federal government, claimed erroneously that World War II was a battle against socialism and wrongly asserted that former Vice President Al Gore was president-elect for 30 days. That genius.

Anyway, he introduces an amendment to the budget bill that would block federal funds from any municipalities that defunded their police departments. One catch: the amendment is really a resolution that has no force or effect. Tuberville thought he was being clever by boxing in the dems on "defunding the police," forcing them to vote for or against it.

So Cory Booker makes a hilarious speech where he thanks Tuberville for the "gift" he just gave, and encourages his fellow democrats to vote in favor it. All 50 Senate dems have now voted for an amendment disapproving of "defund the police." All those dems got to say they didn't approve of defund the police, without actually doing anything like withholding funds which might piss off their constituents. And they have Tommy to thank for it. Pretty sure that's not what he thought would happen. Haha.

Booker, Tuberville spar over measure to 'defund the police' in late-night vote-a-rama drama

Hours into the Senate's marathon overnight vote-a-rama, Sen. Tommy Tuberville wanted to send a message.

www.cnn.com

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Defund the Police is going to be one of the major pillars to their re-election in 2022 and presidency in 2024.

Democrats are great at shooting themselves in the foot. Stupidity at its finest.

Enjoy your losses as you continue to not follow or understand your own voters.

 

[ivwshane]

So I've been complaining for awhile about how politically inept "defund the police" has been for the left. Well, the repugs just stepped in it. Tommy Tuberville, the new Alabama Senator, you know, the one who: misidentified the three branches of the federal government, claimed erroneously that World War II was a battle against socialism and wrongly asserted that former Vice President Al Gore was president-elect for 30 days. That genius.

Anyway, he introduces an amendment to the budget bill that would block federal funds from any municipalities that defunded their police departments. One catch: the amendment is really a resolution that has no force or effect. Tuberville thought he was being clever by boxing in the dems on "defunding the police," forcing them to vote for or against it.

So Cory Booker makes a hilarious speech where he thanks Tuberville for the "gift" he just gave, and encourages his fellow democrats to vote in favor it. All 50 Senate dems have now voted for an amendment disapproving of "defund the police." All those dems got to say they didn't approve of defund the police, without actually doing anything like withholding funds which might piss off their constituents. And they have Tommy to thank for it. Pretty sure that's not what he thought would happen. Haha.

Booker, Tuberville spar over measure to 'defund the police' in late-night vote-a-rama drama

Hours into the Senate's marathon overnight vote-a-rama, Sen. Tommy Tuberville wanted to send a message.

www.cnn.com

What a gift! Honestly though, I’m pretty sure this won’t even be a thing as it’s hardly even brought up anymore. When republicans do bring it up it will be recognized for what it is, just more shit flinging by republicans about an issue they clearly don’t care about.

 

[ondma]

What a gift! Honestly though, I’m pretty sure this won’t even be a thing as it’s hardly even brought up anymore. When republicans do bring it up it will be recognized for what it is, just more shit flinging by republicans about an issue they clearly don’t care about.

Have to disagree. The issue my be temporarily suppressed, but you can be assured the Republicans will try to make political hay with it as midterms come closer. Actually, in Minneapolis, it has become a hot topic again, as there is a proposition on the ballot to replace the police department with an alternate agency. I believe a majority of the City Council actually are in favor of this, but it is being resisted by Mayor Frey (yea, that one who was harshly criticized for being weak). I was not a supporter of him initially as he was slow to respond to the riots after the Geroge Floyd incident, but I have come to respect him more and time goes on. Even my ultra liberal grandson admits that the "defund the police" slogan was a mistake of epic proportions.

 

[woolfe9998]

What a gift! Honestly though, I’m pretty sure this won’t even be a thing as it’s hardly even brought up anymore. When republicans do bring it up it will be recognized for what it is, just more shit flinging by republicans about an issue they clearly don’t care about.

I would agree except a few cities have reduced police funding, and that is keeping it alive. At least for now.

 

[hal2kilo]

So I've been complaining for awhile about how politically inept "defund the police" has been for the left. Well, the repugs just stepped in it. Tommy Tuberville, the new Alabama Senator, you know, the one who: misidentified the three branches of the federal government, claimed erroneously that World War II was a battle against socialism and wrongly asserted that former Vice President Al Gore was president-elect for 30 days. That genius.

Anyway, he introduces an amendment to the budget bill that would block federal funds from any municipalities that defunded their police departments. One catch: the amendment is really a resolution that has no force or effect. Tuberville thought he was being clever by boxing in the dems on "defunding the police," forcing them to vote for or against it.

So Cory Booker makes a hilarious speech where he thanks Tuberville for the "gift" he just gave, and encourages his fellow democrats to vote in favor it. All 50 Senate dems have now voted for an amendment disapproving of "defund the police." All those dems got to say they didn't approve of defund the police, without actually doing anything like withholding funds which might piss off their constituents. And they have Tommy to thank for it. Pretty sure that's not what he thought would happen. Haha.

Booker, Tuberville spar over measure to 'defund the police' in late-night vote-a-rama drama

Hours into the Senate's marathon overnight vote-a-rama, Sen. Tommy Tuberville wanted to send a message.

www.cnn.com

Fox had quite the spin on this as usual. Got to keep the flock in line.

 

[MrSquished]

Defund the police was a terrible slogan. It simply should have been Reform the police.

We need better trained and more accountable police, along with social services to respond to certain calls. That can all be under the umbrella term Reform

 

[hal2kilo]

It will be interesting to see how the Seattle City Council will fare in the next election. They are full on the defund plan. We will see how liberal Seattle is. It's really a mess. Of course the cops all had big tantrems and many have left the Seattle dept leaving them in a lurch, not doubt on purpose.

 

[VRAMdemon]

What a gift! Honestly though, I’m pretty sure this won’t even be a thing as it’s hardly even brought up anymore. When republicans do bring it up it will be recognized for what it is, just more shit flinging by republicans about an issue they clearly don’t care about.

It's a strawman the Republicans have erected which they have been flogging non stop that says that most, if not all Congressional Democrats want to "defund the police".

Tuberville apparently drank his own fucking Kool-aide and, believing this lie, put an amendment into the infrastructure bill that will “punish”, (but without penalty) jurisdictions that defund the police. He expected that all of the Democrats would vote against it, thus proving that they hate the poilice and love crime. Instead they all voted in favor of it, effectively disproving what had been a main Republican talking point. What a dope.

 

[KMFJD]

Minneapolis Is Just One Vote Away From Dismantling the Police

If citizens vote yes, the Minneapolis Police Department will be disbanded and replaced with a Department of Public Safety.

www.vice.com

If residents vote to amend the city charter, the new Department of Public Safety would create an integrated system of trained medical and mental health crisis professionals and social workers as first responders alongside police and fire personnel. The change would also remove language in the current charter that mandates a minimum number of police employees, and place the new Department of Public Safety under control of the city’s 13-person city council rather than the mayor and police chief.

potential good news out of Minneapolis

 

[ondma]

Minneapolis Is Just One Vote Away From Dismantling the Police

If citizens vote yes, the Minneapolis Police Department will be disbanded and replaced with a Department of Public Safety.

www.vice.com

If residents vote to amend the city charter, the new Department of Public Safety would create an integrated system of trained medical and mental health crisis professionals and social workers as first responders alongside police and fire personnel. The change would also remove language in the current charter that mandates a minimum number of police employees, and place the new Department of Public Safety under control of the city’s 13-person city council rather than the mayor and police chief.

potential good news out of Minneapolis

Yea, the good news is that proposal will most likely be defeated. I am all for police reform, but i certainly dont want control of public safety delegated to the City Council.