What is this about Minneapolis "defunding" its PD?

[outriding]

So they busted a union, moved the police work to a larger organization, and still has an amazingly high rate of crime. If you double your police force, you would think that crime rates should go down.

And they are..

Top 10 Newark Stories of the Decade: 8. Newark's Crime Rate Falls Over the Last Decade

In December, Newark Mayor Ras Baraka joined with the brass from the Division of Public Safety to announce drastic reduction in crime in the last year. But Baraka could have just as easily promoted...

www.tapinto.net

 

[JEDIYoda]

I don't want to shit on your point because it is true there is blame on both sides of the aisle but your main architec was a republican.

Why not use nixon as a more impactful and recent example, although also a republican.

exactly now Nixon is well Nixon!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Maybe instead of being a snotty shithead posting dictionary definitions, you could dig into the activist roots of the movement you're pretending to care about, and decide if you agree or disagree with their vision of what needs to be changed and if the police can be reformed or not.

Or, you know, just keep waiving the flag for idiot liberals everywhere.

Jesus Loves you Blackjack200!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Hmm, maybe because they've been trying to reform the police for 30 years and it's never worked? Could that be why no one wants reform anymore?

Police Unions need to be abolished!
Police Unions need to be abolished!
Police Unions need to be abolished!
Police Unions need to be abolished!

 

[soundforbjt]

It's amazing that conservatives rail against unions in almost every line of work...except police.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

It's amazing that conservatives rail against unions in almost every line of work...except police.

It's amazing that liberals rail for unions in almost every line of work.... except police.

 

[woolfe9998]

It's amazing that liberals rail for unions in almost every line of work.... except police.

Except most of us are not opposed to the existence of police unions (jediyoda not withstanding). We're opposed to police unions having the power to make it difficult to impossible to fire police for misconduct, and worse still, making it harder to prosecute them for crimes. We're talking about things like provisions in their collective bargaining agreement stating that a cop can't be taken into custody until 5 days after the crime he is suspected of was committed, allowing him to go home and possibly destroy evidence.

Allowing police to get away with criminal behavior is an issue of special importance for public safety and for public confidence in law enforcement. This is not a founding principle of unionization. I don't mind the police having a union to fight for higher wages and better working conditions, but this power to interfere with police accountability must be curbed.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Except most of us are not opposed to the existence of police unions (jediyoda not withstanding). We're opposed to police unions having the power to make it difficult to impossible to fire police for misconduct, and worse still, making it harder to prosecute them for crimes. We're talking about things like provisions in their collective bargaining agreement stating that a cop can't be taken into custody until 5 days after the crime he is suspected of was committed, allowing him to go home and possibly destroy evidence. Allowing police to get away with criminal behavior is an issue of special importance for public safety and for public confidence in law enforcement. This is not a founding principle of unionization. I don't mind the police having a union to fight for higher wages and better working conditions, but this power to interfere with police accountability must be curbed.

I agree with what woolf9998 is saying!
I just cannot wrap my head around how to accomplish this without dibanding Police unions!
This is well said and i concur 100% -- I don't mind the police having a union to fight for higher wages and better working conditions, but this power to interfere with police accountability must be curbed.

 

[woolfe9998]

I agree with what woolf9998 is saying!
I just cannot wrap my head around how to accomplish this without dibanding Police unions!
This is well said and i concur 100% -- I don't mind the police having a union to fight for higher wages and better working conditions, but this power to interfere with police accountability must be curbed.

I can tell you how it can be done. You pass laws which makes certain kinds of terms in collective bargaining agreements illegal. There are all sorts of laws which already do this in respect to ordinary contracts. They say if this term appears in a contract, it is not an enforceable contract provision.

So pass a law which says that any provisions in a collective bargaining agreement which give police different or superior rights to ordinary citizens in relation to being a criminal suspect are illegal, unenforceable and abolished.

 

[shortylickens]

It's amazing that liberals rail for unions in almost every line of work.... except police.

god damn do you just look to say the opposite of everything, especially when it makes no sense at all?

 

[DrunkenSano]

It's amazing that liberals rail for unions in almost every line of work.... except police.

Why would anyone support unions that actively protects murderers and people who commit brutal acts of violence just because they can? Are you insane?

 

[Svnla]

Defunding the police? Police-free zones? Autonomous zones? Then who will solve this case and others like it?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-lives-matter-protestor-florida-151025418.html

 

[zzyzxroad]

Defunding the police? Who will solve this case and others like it?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-lives-matter-protestor-florida-151025418.html

Have you not been following along withb the discussion? If so, I don't understand your post. This the posting equivalent to trump yelling fake news at everything.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Defunding the police? Police-free zones? Autonomous zones? Then who will solve this case and others like it?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-lives-matter-protestor-florida-151025418.html

Coming from you? You made no point other than to make a claim for your whiteness!!

 

[zzyzxroad]

Coming from you? You made no point other than to make a claim for your whiteness!!

FAKE NEWS!

 

[Ken g6]

Police Unions need to be abolished!
Police Unions need to be abolished!
Police Unions need to be abolished!
Police Unions need to be abolished!

I've thought about suggesting that the FBI investigate all police union leaders to make sure they didn't break the law when they were cops. But that sounds dangerously J. Edgar Hoover-ish.

 

[shortylickens]

News says a bunch of officers in Minneapolis have quit, as a form of protest to how they're being treated.
I didnt know it but they abandoned one of their precincts and somebody set it on fire. Not sure if its Minneapolis residents or people traveling from elsewhere.

 

[zzyzxroad]

News says a bunch of officers in Minneapolis have quit, as a form of protest to how they're being treated.
I didnt know it but they abandoned one of their precincts and somebody set it on fire. Not sure if its Minneapolis residents or people traveling from elsewhere.

Did you not link a source because a bunch is seven?

 

[JEDIYoda]

News says a bunch of officers in Minneapolis have quit, as a form of protest to how they're being treated.
I didnt know it but they abandoned one of their precincts and somebody set it on fire. Not sure if its Minneapolis residents or people traveling from elsewhere.

Of course! Police don`t want to be held accountable for their actions!
The ones that quit are most likely the bad apples....

 

[zzyzxroad]

Of course! Police don`t want to be held accountable for their actions!
The ones that quit are most likely the bad apples....

In the video below, the response to the cops statement regarding police quitting is exactly what i think.

At 14:00 min

Warning: I don't know anything abut this channel and just found it looking for footage of CHAZ. I also have not not even listened to the whole video yet. I'm just lazy, type slow and he stated my thoughts on this topic.

 

[shortylickens]

Did you not link a source because a bunch is seven?

Yes.
Thats exactly why I did not link a source.
Because a bunch is seven.
Thats the reason.
You are so smart.
You're so fucking clever figuring out my motives and thought processes and actions.
Good for you buddy.
Go out and join the world knowing you've got shortylickens all mapped out and can predict everything he'll ever do from now on.
You're so fuckin wonderful.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Yes.
Thats exactly why I did not link a source.
Because a bunch is seven.
Thats the reason.
You are so smart.
You're so fucking clever figuring out my motives and thought processes and actions.
Good for you buddy.
Go out and join the world knowing you've got shortylickens all mapped out and can predict everything he'll ever do from now on.
You're so fuckin wonderful.

Seems like you might be having a bad day.

 

[Meghan54]

Seems like you might be having a bad day.

Guess that's why he still hasn't linked the story at all. Bad day.....or lazy.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Seems like you might be having a bad day.

No people are just sick of your childish ways that were supposed to Google shit for you, and then cite our sources like this is an 8th grade research paper.

Try growing up instead of acting like a child.

 

[zzyzxroad]

No people are just sick of your childish ways that were supposed to Google shit for you, and then cite our sources like this is an 8th grade research paper.

Try growing up instead of acting like a child.

So obviously I had looked up the info before posting. Is that not clear?


With that said, your post lacks logic.