What is the deal with Muslims?

[retrospooty]

It sucks that the majority of Muslims are peaceful and get a bad name by the acts of these extremists and they have to suffer some extreme discrimination because of it... but it is an issue that only the Muslim community can fix. The Muslim community, as a whole needs to vigorously and aggressively out these extremists and stop coddling the behavior... It's not enough for "this one mosque" or "this other Imam" or "some small group" to publicly state they are against these type of violent acts. They need to as a whole community act like it f**cking matters to you and get rid of the bad elements. The current status quo is not going to do it and until that happens, the entire world will have issues with you. The west cannot fix it. Wars cannot fix it. "PR" cannot fix it. Only the Muslim community can fix this and again, it seems like they do nothing but a few empty words which is totally ineffective against extremists. I am not saying you are getting a fair deal, I am saying you need to fix it or it wont ever stop.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Maybe you should lead by example and show them how to do so.

 

[Blue_Max]

So... how is islam going to change when their beloved prophet told his followers to do as he does [pointing out hill of kafir heads so high it can't be looked over on horseback] Straight outta' the quran. So when muslims are told in black-and-white, no uncertain terms; "don't be friends with jews and christians" and "let them see harshness in you", etc.

...what do you propose? Currently, to deny anything the prophet or quran says is apostasy and punishable by death. How on earth does one correct that??

 

[retrospooty]

Maybe you should lead by example and show them how to do so.

I just did in my OP... Also, never murdered anyone. There are already 2 great examples.

 

[JockoJohnson]

So... how is islam going to change when their beloved prophet told his followers to do as he does [pointing out hill of kafir heads so high it can't be looked over on horseback] Straight outta' the quran. So when muslims are told in black-and-white, no uncertain terms; "don't be friends with jews and christians" and "let them see harshness in you", etc.

...what do you propose? Currently, to deny anything the prophet or quran says is apostasy and punishable by death. How on earth does one correct that??

With taxes and regulation. It's how you fix global warming, it's how you could fix just about every problem.

 

[IronWing]

With taxes and regulation. It's how you fix global warming, it's how you could fix just about every problem.

A head tax?

 

[retrospooty]

So... how is islam going to change when their beloved prophet told his followers to do as he does [pointing out hill of kafir heads so high it can't be looked over on horseback] Straight outta' the quran. So when muslims are told in black-and-white, no uncertain terms; "don't be friends with jews and christians" and "let them see harshness in you", etc.

...what do you propose? Currently, to deny anything the prophet or quran says is apostasy and punishable by death. How on earth does one correct that??

The same way the rest of the world did when we crawled out of the dark ages. We dont still stone prostitutes and kill gays do we? There are dozens and dozens of other horribly brutal teachings and examples from the bible and the old testament that we don't follow. Most Muslims know that and don't follow it either any more than Christians do. Its ousting the extremists that is the issue.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Islam came from a region that is fucked.

I don't honestly care about what Islam's message is (because I don't believe in it, since I don't agree with it - but that doesn't mean it needs to be wiped out or censored), or what a bunch of white guys from the Bible Belt think Islam's message is.

My opinion is to let them be - good, bad, whatever.

However, our greed has us deeply embedded in the Middle East. We want oil. We don't want to be liberators. We don't want to spread democracy. We don't want to spread peace, harmony, stability or any form of equality through out the Middle East.

As such, we've done things that have pissed the Muslims off. Their reaction is not justified. But, it is what it is. There is no turning back - and, no need to apologize frankly.

But, we continue to piss them off, because of greed.

If the Middle East was 'contained' (left as is - I am not talking about putting up walls), they would eventually sort things out and Muslims would direct their anger towards the real enemy; their leadership - government, ruling party AND religion.

Could you imagine what the Middle East would be like if the US and Israel wasn't involved in that region? Their streets would be littered with dead princes, dead dictators and dead Islamic extremists.

Our involvement has done one thing - aside from making a few people very rich - provided the ME' governments, ruling parties and extremist religious leadership a scapegoat.

Where do we go from here?

Get off of oil.

Let's drop all the bullshit about providing freedom as well as this whole 'eco-kook' stigma of getting off of oil and move away from that region.

To answer the OP's question: there isn't anything wrong with the vast majority of Muslims. What is wrong is that we've placed ourselves in a position to sway more and more peaceful Muslims into the extremists side. Each bomb we drop and kill an innocent, we sway 100 to 200 more Muslims to the extremists side.

And, bullshit counter-arguments about how collateral damage is the fault of the terrorists (because they are hiding in hospitals, using human shields, etc.) just adds more fuel to the hate towards as well as proves our indifference.

Now, there is no way in hell we can, or ever will, repair the damage done. But, we can move away from them and never look back. Let them figure it out, because our intentions, attitude and actual actions are just making things far far worse.

 

[soulcougher73]

Only way is to exterminate the religion, as it poisons their minds. Unfortunately that means you have to exterminate the people that hold this religion. I'm at the point i don't really believe their is such a thing as a moderate Muslim as it pertains to the west's view.

We had a revolutionary war and fought off the British. We then fought ourselves and are still standing. Much blood was shed. They'll need to do the same if they want to take back what they call peaceful Islam. IMO

 

[soulcougher73]

The same way the rest of the world did when we crawled out of the dark ages. We dont still stone prostitutes and kill gays do we? There are dozens and dozens of other horribly brutal teachings and examples from the bible and the old testament that we don't follow. Most Muslims know that and don't follow it either any more than Christians do. Its ousting the extremists that is the issue.

That's only cause they are all bad Christians that don't follow the commandments from god. If they REALLY TRULY believed they should still be doing those things. Ill give the extremists credit for being 100% true believers in their holy book lol

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I just did in my OP... Also, never murdered anyone. There are already 2 great examples.

No, you posted your opinion and nothing more. The vast majority of Muslims have never killed anyone as well.

 

[shira]

I love the right-wing "keep them out" demagoguery: "If we let Syrian refugees into the country, there might be terrorists among them. So, since you, President Obama, can't 100% guarantee the safety of Americans in communities where these refugees might be re-settled, we can't allow any of them in. Instead, send them back where they came, many of them to face certain death. And let's bomb the shit out of Syria (why should anyone give a f___ about the thousands of innocents we'll accidentally kill?). Because as Americans we're so frightened that a few citizens here may be killed by terrorists that we obviously have to sacrifice the lives of thousands of refugees. What choice do we have; we're Christians, after all."

 

[retrospooty]

If the Middle East was 'contained' (left as is - I am not talking about putting up walls), they would eventually sort things out and Muslims would direct their anger towards the real enemy; their leadership - government, ruling party AND religion.

Absolutely. We need to get the hell out of there. I have always said this... Regardless of the climate we need to ween off of foreign oil for alot of reasons having nothing to do with a warmer climate.
#1. The economy. We need to get off of oil so we can stop buying it from countries and people that despise us, that is making them rich and us poorer.
#2. Politics. (see #1) We also need to get the hell out of the middle east. Leave it alone, they dont want us there period. We are creating an enemy that doesnt need to exist. Give them back their craphole and leave it alone. LEt them go back to killing each other like they have for the past 5000 years.
#3. Oil wont last forever and as it gets harder and harder to cheaply extract, those with it will jack the price and use it to their advantage.
#4. Environment. Not the climate change, but the air quality. Anyone anyhere near a large city sees the smog layer. Breathing it in cant possibly be a good thing for us or our children.

That is plenty reason enough, climate change or not, we need to ween off it.

 

[retrospooty]

No, you posted your opinion and nothing more. The vast majority of Muslims have never killed anyone as well.

Right here in the OP. "The Muslim community, as a whole needs to vigorously and aggressively out these extremists and stop coddling the behavior... It's not enough for "this one mosque" or "this other Imam" or "some small group" to publicly state they are against these type of violent acts. They need to as a whole community act like it f**cking matters to you and get rid of the bad elements. "

 

[retrospooty]

e all bad Christians that don't follow the commandments from god. If they REALLY TRULY believed they should still be doing those things. Ill give the extremists credit for being 100% true believers in their holy book lol

[fry meme] Not sure if joking or completely insane [/fry meme]

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Right here in the OP. "The Muslim community, as a whole needs to vigorously and aggressively out these extremists and stop coddling the behavior... It's not enough for "this one mosque" or "this other Imam" or "some small group" to publicly state they are against these type of violent acts. They need to as a whole community act like it f**cking matters to you and get rid of the bad elements. "

The problem is people like you keep spreading this false narrative that it's only "this one mosque, or "this one Imam" or "some small group". How much effort do you actually put into seeing what the Muslim community truly says and does about these types of acts? Do you just rely on the media to tell you?

 

[retrospooty]

false narrative that it's only "this one mosque, or "this one Imam" or "some small group". How much effort do you actually put into seeing what the Muslim community truly says and does about these types of acts? Do you just rely on the media to tell you?

Oh please, lets not pretend that many in the MC aren't coddling and turning a blind eye to this. If this happened to any country or religious group the rest of the religion or country would literally be ON BLOODY FIRE speaking out against and booting these people committing these acts in thier name. That simply isnt happening in the Muslim Community. Not in the Middle east where it matters anyhow.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Right here in the OP. "The Muslim community, as a whole needs to vigorously and aggressively out these extremists and stop coddling the behavior... It's not enough for "this one mosque" or "this other Imam" or "some small group" to publicly state they are against these type of violent acts. They need to as a whole community act like it f**cking matters to you and get rid of the bad elements. "

As I said, you should head over there and lead by example. After all you're one big bad billybadass of the intarweb and would be able to rid the area of radicals/extremist in no time.

 

[retrospooty]

What are you smoking? Like I said The west cant fix this. External people cant fix this. Certainly I cant... Only the Muslim community as a whole can fix this and join the modern world, or endlessly be at odds with it.

 

[soulcougher73]

I love the right-wing "keep them out" demagoguery: "If we let Syrian refugees into the country, there might be terrorists among them. So, since you, President Obama, can't 100% guarantee the safety of Americans in communities where these refugees might be re-settled, we can't allow any of them in. Instead, send them back where they came, many of them to face certain death. And let's bomb the shit out of Syria (why should anyone give a f___ about the thousands of innocents we'll accidentally kill?). Because as Americans we're so frightened that a few citizens here may be killed by terrorists that we obviously have to sacrifice the lives of thousands of refugees. What choice do we have; we're Christians, after all."

I'm not right wing but i dont want them here either. Not our problem. Id rather not lose 1 american life no matter how many of them die. They need to stand up for themselves and fight back.

 

[soulcougher73]

[fry meme] Not sure if joking or completely insane [/fry meme]

I'm not joking. I hate religion. But if your going to believe its the word of god you better damn well follow what it says. Otherwise pick a different religion or make a new one or something. Cause i'm sure that's what god wants is a bunch of half ass believers that will bow to modern secuarlism and morality. I mean as a atheist im glad they are half assers about their beliefs. I was more talking from Gods side of things

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Oh please, lets not pretend that many in the MC aren't coddling and turning a blind eye to this. If this happened to any country or religious group the rest of the religion or country would literally be ON BLOODY FIRE speaking out against and booting these people committing these acts in thier name. That simply isnt happening in the Muslim Community. Not in the Middle east where it matters anyhow.

You're the one pretending. Have you bothered to see what type of outpouring the Muslim community has made?

I didn't think so. You don't want discussion. You just want to talk about your feelings.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What are you smoking? Like I said The west cant fix this. External people cant fix this. Certainly I cant... Only the Muslim community as a whole can fix this and join the modern world, or endlessly be at odds with it.

So you're asking the good/unarmed people who wish no harm on anyone to commit suicide in a effort to do something the well armed forces of the west can't do.

 

[retrospooty]

You're the one pretending. Have you bothered to see what type of outpouring the Muslim community has made?

I have been paying very close attention to it for the past 14 years and a few months and am massively disappointed in their efforts. Thus what I said in my OP. As a whole , where is the outrage from the MC? Where is the part where they catch some of these psychos themselves? They don't seem to be doing much of anything other than small pockets of verbal dissent which as I mentioned isn't enough. If you cant see that then you just aren't looking.

 

[IronWing]

OP, you have created in your mind something that simply doesn't exist in the real world and then take it to task for failure to achieve a goal you have set. There is no single "Muslim Community".