What is so wrong with rap music? Who are you to judge it?

[SP33Demon]

Rap pwns u. All your songs are belong to rap.

 

[pyonir]

So you don't consider two turntables and ability to create music using those turntables and various records instruments? Watch the documentary "Scratch". that will show you the musical talent many DJs posses. As i've pointed out many times before I'm going to get into an online debate on rap music (or anything at all, really) as i find it pointless. Most have already made their opinions and me naming off groups/artists isn't going to change those opinions.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
i dont like rap because it talks about killin and crime etc. now thats cool, but it influences too many people-kids especially. they think its cool to break the law and by doing so they get respect and fortune. no-no. its not rap's fault, but the people. although i still think they should try to avoid making such things seem so pleasant. even if it really is what happens in reality.

So do you like the thousands of rap songs that don't talk about killin and crime etc., since that is your beef with it?

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
i dont like rap because it talks about killin and crime etc. now thats cool, but it influences too many people-kids especially. they think its cool to break the law and by doing so they get respect and fortune. no-no. its not rap's fault, but the people. although i still think they should try to avoid making such things seem so pleasant. even if it really is what happens in reality.

Not all of it. Awol One, Soul Position, Brother Ali, Sage Francis, Aesop Rock, Odd Jobs, etc...just to name a few. These artists rarely (some cases never) rap about committing crime, killing, etc.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: pyonir
So you don't consider two turntables and ability to create music using those turntables and various records instruments? Watch the documentary "Scratch". that will show you the musical talent many DJs posses. As i've pointed out many times before I'm going to get into an online debate on rap music (or anything at all, really) as i find it pointless. Most have already made their opinions and me naming off groups/artists isn't going to change those opinions.

Pfft... Rap takes no skill whatsoever. Next week my self titled album is gonna hit the market. I just recorded some tracks on my computer using the builtin mic. Soon sales will hit 10 Million, and I will be all hands in the dough. Anyone can do it!

Yes that is sarcasm.

 

[Rainsford]

It's really very simple, people listen to what they like. I think most rap sounds like crap, so I don't listen to it. What is there to debate?

 

[RaiseUp]

Tupac was a racist. He is not real rap.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
It's really very simple, people listen to what they like. I think most rap sounds like crap, so I don't listen to it. What is there to debate?

exactly. I respect your decision to not listen to it because you don't like it. Just as i would expect you to respect my decision to like it. No amount of debating is going to make you like it, or make me not like it anymore.

 

[hdeck]

your poll sucks.

 

[thomsbrain]

marilyn manson stands for the exact opposite things rap does. he's one of the most articulate, intelligent people i've ever heard speak, and although i don't particularly care for his music, i respect him.

and we don't have to be "scared" of rap to know it sucks fat donkey balls.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: stormbv
But I can't hold my tongue when I see opinions that obviously come from some fear or insecurity.

Yes, because everyone who dislikes rap only dislikes it out of fear and/or insecurity. It's simply not possible for a person to dislike rap for any other reason.

The hidden premise of your argument (which I have outlined above) is asinine.

ZV

 

[Compton]

Originally posted by: DaZ

Rap in my vision is dead. Its been nothing but sh1t since about 98 or so.

word

 

[stormbv]

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: stormbv

Originally posted by: AngryPirate
I like rap music but its wrong to criticize people for criticizing the music. Its their opinion plain and simple, who cares of they dont like it?

Today I happened to be reading Anti-Semite and Jew by Sartre. I'm pretty sure it's relevant to racism in America today. Here's a morsel: This word opinion makes us stop and think. It is the word a hostess uses to bring to an end a discussion that threatens to become acrimonious. It suggests that all points of view are equal; it reassures us, for it gives an inoffensive appearance to ideas by reducing them to the level of tastes...In the name of democratic institutions, in the name of freedom of opinion, the anti-Semite asserts the right to preach the anti-Jewish crusade elsewhere.

I come from a long line of racists. Any hatred that I was taught will die with me. There's always another side to people, but it's just hidden behind a smile.

So now everyone who doesn't like rap music is a racist? If thats not your point, what is?

I think racism is a human invention. All it does is organize hatred and soon it becomes second nature. It formed the worst of the worst throughout History. I've got a problem with people of all races who say one thing and do the exact opposite in private. Filthy mental hygiene!

I just realized that I got off the subject in my own thread. Screw this, I'm tired of trying to point out the basest, most irrational human thoughts that pool together on the internet. The closer and closer we get to each other, the more we can find comfort in our fears and insecurities, and the world just keeps spinning downward, out of control, and colonizing space isn't going to help, because we will still carry the sickness. Actions speak louder than words ever will, so if you aren't a racist, don't take any guff from these swine. Sir Thomas More was decapitated and his head stuck on a pike on London Bridge; how dare they kill him for imagining Utopia! I will leave here laughing like a madman. Why does a madman laugh? Because it's all so damn hilarious! Irony is the ch!nk in the armor between realities. And now back to the "real world"...farewell! This reminds me of the last Calvin and Hobbes comic...Let's go sledding!

 

[NeoV]

I swear to god I just copied this off of some Tupac Fan site I found on google.....this site also thinks it is highly likely Tupac is still alive, but that is another fun filled thread I suppose..

"By the time he was twenty, Tupac had been arrested eight times, even serving eight months in prison after being convicted of sexual abuse. In addition, he was the subject of two wrongful-death lawsuits, one involving a six-year-old boy who was killed after getting caught in gang-war crossfire between Shakur's gang and a rival group.

Not held back by his lack of formal education, Tupac joined the Rap group Digital Underground as a dancer."

Amazing, since all of the other dancers in the Digital Underground were very formally educated.....

pyonir, I'll watch "Scratch" right after I watch Breakin 2 - Electric Boogaloo - please tell me you are kidding about that being talent? Read music and play a piano, or use two turntables to make odd noises - you tell me which one is music and requires talent and which one doesn't...

Ok, I have to mention one other thing I can't stand about rap - at least the stuff that I've heard - to me, it seems to me to be another attempt by the black community (again, some, not all) to seperate themselves from the white community, and I don't think that ever brings about anything constructive to either..

 

[BurnItDwn]

I hate most rap.

I don't really like how it sounds.
However it is good sometimes in some movies as background music. It's also sometimes ok at parties and clubs, however it's not something that I would ever choose to listen to on my own.

I don't care for the whole Talking/rhyming style of vocals.
I don't like repeating beats with excessive bass.

I need to have a guitar in my music, or at least some strings.


I must now listen to some death-grind now.

 

[mugs]

I wish I didn't waste my time opening this thread.

 

[dawks]

Originally posted by: NeoV

Not held back by his lack of formal education, Tupac joined the Rap group Digital Underground as a dancer."

Amazing, since all of the other dancers in the Digital Underground were very formally educated.....

Tupac went to some performing arts school in Baltimore I think. He was best friends with Jada Pinkett Smith.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: stormbv

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: stormbv

Originally posted by: AngryPirate
I like rap music but its wrong to criticize people for criticizing the music. Its their opinion plain and simple, who cares of they dont like it?

Today I happened to be reading Anti-Semite and Jew by Sartre. I'm pretty sure it's relevant to racism in America today. Here's a morsel: This word opinion makes us stop and think. It is the word a hostess uses to bring to an end a discussion that threatens to become acrimonious. It suggests that all points of view are equal; it reassures us, for it gives an inoffensive appearance to ideas by reducing them to the level of tastes...In the name of democratic institutions, in the name of freedom of opinion, the anti-Semite asserts the right to preach the anti-Jewish crusade elsewhere.

I come from a long line of racists. Any hatred that I was taught will die with me. There's always another side to people, but it's just hidden behind a smile.

So now everyone who doesn't like rap music is a racist? If thats not your point, what is?

I think racism is a human invention. All it does is organize hatred and soon it becomes second nature. It formed the worst of the worst throughout History. I've got a problem with people of all races who say one thing and do the exact opposite in private. Filthy mental hygiene!

I just realized that I got off the subject in my own thread. Screw this, I'm tired of trying to point out the basest, most irrational human thoughts that pool together on the internet. The closer and closer we get to each other, the more we can find comfort in our fears and insecurities, and the world just keeps spinning downward, out of control, and colonizing space isn't going to help, because we will still carry the sickness. Actions speak louder than words ever will, so if you aren't a racist, don't take any guff from these swine. Sir Thomas More was decapitated and his head stuck on a pike on London Bridge; how dare they kill him for imagining Utopia! I will leave here laughing like a madman. Why does a madman laugh? Because it's all so damn hilarious! Irony is the ch!nk in the armor between realities. And now back to the "real world"...farewell! This reminds me of the last Calvin and Hobbes comic...Let's go sledding!

the concept of "race" itself is a human invention. there is no biological basis for the seperation of humans into different "races." take a cultural anthropology class to learn more

*note* this wasn't intended just towards nan0bug, just a comment in general based on his ideas of racism.

 

[ThaGrandCow]

I like *some* rap music, the intelligent rap music. As to why if you lumped it all together and asked me why I don't like it I'd give you 6 words: "My milkshake is better than yours"

 

[Leetman]

The stupidity of this thread makes me want to hate rap more than I already do.

 

[Chrono]

You're an idiot.

 

[SirStev0]

racism is just a tool that people use to gain power over another. humans are very dependant on groups to live and thrive; we are not solitary creatures. that being we have a natural urge to lead the group and become the most powerful. racism is just a tool that some use to feel above another especially of another group. it is a a way to gain dominance. i believe it is a weak and primative tool but some still use it. people are afraid of other races and are afraid to lose there dominance so the use the weakness of that race to override the other.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: stormbv

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: stormbv

Originally posted by: AngryPirate
I like rap music but its wrong to criticize people for criticizing the music. Its their opinion plain and simple, who cares of they dont like it?

Today I happened to be reading Anti-Semite and Jew by Sartre. I'm pretty sure it's relevant to racism in America today. Here's a morsel: This word opinion makes us stop and think. It is the word a hostess uses to bring to an end a discussion that threatens to become acrimonious. It suggests that all points of view are equal; it reassures us, for it gives an inoffensive appearance to ideas by reducing them to the level of tastes...In the name of democratic institutions, in the name of freedom of opinion, the anti-Semite asserts the right to preach the anti-Jewish crusade elsewhere.

I come from a long line of racists. Any hatred that I was taught will die with me. There's always another side to people, but it's just hidden behind a smile.

So now everyone who doesn't like rap music is a racist? If thats not your point, what is?

I think racism is a human invention. All it does is organize hatred and soon it becomes second nature. It formed the worst of the worst throughout History. I've got a problem with people of all races who say one thing and do the exact opposite in private. Filthy mental hygiene!

I just realized that I got off the subject in my own thread. Screw this, I'm tired of trying to point out the basest, most irrational human thoughts that pool together on the internet. The closer and closer we get to each other, the more we can find comfort in our fears and insecurities, and the world just keeps spinning downward, out of control, and colonizing space isn't going to help, because we will still carry the sickness. Actions speak louder than words ever will, so if you aren't a racist, don't take any guff from these swine. Sir Thomas More was decapitated and his head stuck on a pike on London Bridge; how dare they kill him for imagining Utopia! I will leave here laughing like a madman. Why does a madman laugh? Because it's all so damn hilarious! Irony is the ch!nk in the armor between realities. And now back to the "real world"...farewell! This reminds me of the last Calvin and Hobbes comic...Let's go sledding!

HEY, you said Ch1nk.

you must be a racist.



OH WAIT, you mean i HAVE to take in consideration CONTEXT. NO WAY.

btw, i HATE rap, that does not make me a racist. I used to hate country, but i don't anymore. was i a racist then too?

 

[KLin]

To me, rap sucks. That's just my personal taste in music, nothing more.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: NeoV


pyonir, I'll watch "Scratch" right after I watch Breakin 2 - Electric Boogaloo - please tell me you are kidding about that being talent? Read music and play a piano, or use two turntables to make odd noises - you tell me which one is music and requires talent and which one doesn't....

That is the exact attitude I expected. That is precisely why i said i will not debate these issues. You'll never see my point of view because you have already formulated your opinion. The debate is pointless. Like these types of threads always are.