What is more important right now.. whining about immigration or fighting BP

[palehorse]

How about work on both at the same time?

damnit, stop confusing the kid nick.

 

[nick1985]

damnit, stop confusing the kid nick.

I wish I could work on one project at a time at work.

 

[dahunan]

Yes.. obviously you can work on both at the same time

Your attitude about the two of them is where we differ

Which is more urgent to be fixed at the fastest rate possible?

 

[dahunan]

BTW.. awesome site for global mapping
http://www.flashearth.com/

use the nasa feed... updated daily..

 

[soulcougher73]

Why sit around fighting about that shit when BP is destroying the whole coastline of 20% of America

I don't trust that the right people are in charge of this cleanup.. this is insanity

Hey... at least they offer a free video to watch the lethal injection they are giving the bottom third of North America
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

Why cant we do both?

As far as threads go on this forum i dont think many here (if any) are for letting the oil just leak. Im sure we all want it capped off and stopped. So talking about it isnt much of a debate worth bringing up over and over. But what can we do about it?

And as far as more threads on illegal immigration. At least that is a topic that people can debate since people are on different sides of the isle on that one.

 

[dainthomas]

I wish I could work on one project at a time at work.

If you ask nicely, I'm sure they'll give you one.

 

[nick1985]

If you ask nicely, I'm sure they'll give you one.

If I ask that they would tell me to go home and never come back

 

[Pulsar]

This reminds me of Katrina when Bush and his administration were doing everything possible and it still wasn't enough.

Now we have Obama and his administration doing everything possible, and it still isn't enough.

Perhaps it is time to recognize that our government can't solve all of our problems.

BTW the best way to prevent this from happening again is to hold BP fiscally responsible for ALL the costs. When they are forced to payout a few hundred million dollars then all of the oil companies drilling off shore will make sure it doesn't happen again.

DING DING DING. We have a winner. Let me suggest a change though.

BP needs to pay reparations. This is going to be BILLIONS. What I suggest is that They be forced to pay it over the next 20-30 years. With interest. That way it's spread out and doesn't put them out of business, and the money keeps coming in to help the areas that are the worst off.

BP is doing everything physically possible. They have scientists both on the government side and on BP's side, and I guarantee you they've brought in all the other big petro companies experts too. This simply is not a problem anyone has had to fix like this before, and each fix takes time.

 

[Darwin333]

The government cannot really address this oil spill after the fact, all it can do is bring effective regulations back relaxed by GWB&co. And you can bet the GOP will oppose and filibuster any re regulation attempts.

Sure they can, just like with any other disaster they can immediately make funds and assets available to help mitigate the problem. Granted they can't shut off the oil leak but they can damn sure provide assistance in making sure the oil does as little damage to coastlines as possible and then THEY can go after BP for the money they spent. Most states simply can't afford to front the kind of money or have the kind of assets that are necessary in this type of emergency and even if they did the Fed is in a MUCH better position to wait for repayment if its tied up in courts for years and they also carry a much larger stick.

We have parish presidents who have had much better plans than BP for weeks. Plans that can be implemented tomorrow if they had the funding, some are even spending huge sums of their general funds to just do it while hoping like hell BP reimburses them before they run out of cash for day to day operations (what the money was originally for).

 

[her209]

DING DING DING. We have a winner. Let me suggest a change though.

BP needs to pay reparations. This is going to be BILLIONS. What I suggest is that They be forced to pay it over the next 20-30 years. With interest. That way it's spread out and doesn't put them out of business, and the money keeps coming in to help the areas that are the worst off.

Hmm... that seems really fair to the small businesses owners that lose their business because of this spill.

 

[taisingera]

I have an idea, kill two problems with one solution. try to get BP to cap the oil coming out, then round up all the illegals (~12M), force them to clean the mess onshore, maybe pay them a little bit, then deport them.

 

[dahunan]

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/oil_reaches_louisiana_shores.html

I guess they are doing better than I thought they were at destroying the ecosystem and wildlife and changing the future of one of the most nutrient rich coastlines in the whole world

You just don't get it

This is irreversible... or at least will take 10-20 years to clear...

Its fine.. you can all assume BP is doing the very best job possible - like the quality job they did to PREVENT THIS

This is not a USA only problem or a BP only problem... this is a GLOBAL Issue that should have been taken care of by a Global Force of some sort... the length of time it has taken to not even slow this is INEXCUSABLE

 

[dahunan]

I have an idea, kill two problems with one solution. try to get BP to cap the oil coming out, then round up all the illegals (~12M), force them to clean the mess onshore, maybe pay them a little bit, then deport them.

that is an awesome idea.. I bet they love this country more than all the people in here who hate them

 

[MotF Bane]

This is not a USA only problem or a BP only problem... this is a GLOBAL Issue that should have been taken care of by a Global Force of some sort... the length of time it has taken to not even slow this is INEXCUSABLE

ROFL. :awe:

 

[bfdd]

Do you think if scientists and engineers had some better solutions than what is currently being attempted on BPs part they wouldn't be doing them? I do know that the Feds appear to be a speed bump in the way of Louisiana doing something on their end to attempt to mitigate the damage to their shoreline.

Exactly wtf more do you want them to do? Wave a fucking wand and make it go away? This is a huge disaster it is going to take a lot of time, effort and money to correct it. OP you can't honestly believe that BP is only half assing this. Everyday this goes on they lose more and more money.

 

[JSt0rm]

Just out of curiosity if we shut down BP, liquidate all their assets, lock all their management and above employees in Federal prison for the remainder of their lives exactly how will that mitigate the damage from the accident that happened in the Gulf?

Well if you did do that I can pretty much bet that this would never happen again... The other oil companies would be so scared to fuck up that there would be 15 redundant backups and double rigs on all drilling ops. Gas would be $1 a gallon and a unicorn would pump your gas.

 

[dmcowen674]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GuitarDaddy
Not surprizing given that the most prolific thread starters in P&N are GOP leaning right wingers. The immigration issue gives them foder to do some Obama bashing, the BP spill issue hits them in their base and makes them look bad.

I almost laughed myself to death on Sunday when miss "Drill baby, Drill" was trying to claim Obama was in bed with big oil. She must think the American people are stupider than she is.

He was elected on promises that could not be kept. She may be correct.

The Feds were supposed to provide some oversight on the drilling - apparently they were very very lax given all the problems that have come to light w/ respect to this one incident. How many others situations are ready to fail because of one weak link.

He is in charge of the system now - it is his people that have to answer and be answered to.

Quoted for lulz

OMFGBBQ

Never saw any post like this when your hero Bush was in charge.

What a folly

 

[dahunan]

Exactly wtf more do you want them to do? Wave a fucking wand and make it go away? This is a huge disaster it is going to take a lot of time, effort and money to correct it. OP you can't honestly believe that BP is only half assing this. Everyday this goes on they lose more and more money.

I don't trust the company whose reckless disregard for the environment allowed them to have the safety violations..

Why should the US have to force them to have a double security mechanism on the well that would have prevented this. If they are such a good and competent corporation then they should have had enough integrity to install the extra safety mechanisms because they cared.. not because they were told to

Brazil and others demand the double safety mechanism

we are letting the wolves fix the broken door on the hen house

 

[JSt0rm]

BP is doing everything physically possible. They have scientists both on the government side and on BP's side, and I guarantee you they've brought in all the other big petro companies experts too. This simply is not a problem anyone has had to fix like this before, and each fix takes time.

I believe you. I really do. It's just that all the thinking should of been done before they drilled. Being proactive instead of reactive works wonders in life and in that simple idea BP failed so bad its criminal.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

that is an awesome idea.. I bet they love this country more than all the people in here who hate them

Mexican flag waving illegals love this country and its laws which they broke to get here in the first place.

 

[dahunan]

Mexican flag waving illegals love this country and its laws which they broke to get here in the first place.

You act like you being born here makes you someone special.. completely different than them. Go try and live in Mexico with all the corrupt government officials taking bribes from US Corporations to keep the wages dirt cheap and pay the people as little as possible

go check on the drug war and tell me if we are helping or hurting others

Wasn't it Reagan and his friends who helped give weapons to people down in that area to use to kill each other and run drugs with?

 

[blackangst1]

You act like you being born here makes you someone special.. completely different than them. Go try and live in Mexico with all the corrupt government officials taking bribes from US Corporations to keep the wages dirt cheap and pay the people as little as possible

go check on the drug war and tell me if we are helping or hurting others

Wasn't it Reagan and his friends who helped give weapons to people down in that area to use to kill each other and run drugs with?

And what makes you more speacial than a N Korean woman? Nothing you say? Then do as she would do and censor yourself into silence.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

What is more important right now.. whining about immigration or fighting BP

If you're a liberal - it's whining about BP and ignoring the ILLEGAL immigration problem.

 

[JSt0rm]

And what makes you more speacial than a N Korean woman? Nothing you say? Then do as she would do and censor yourself into silence.

Well we should all realize we have already won the lottery being born in America.

 

[ProfJohn]

Dahunan what do you want them to do??

There is no magical solution to this problem. Even today the Feds stated that they wouldn't take over the job of cleaning the spill because they don't have the technical expertise.