What is more important right now.. whining about immigration or fighting BP

[PokerGuy]

What's there to "fight" BP about? We all agree we'd like to see the problem fixed. We all know BP is concerned about it's bottom line, so it's doing whatever it can to stop the profits from leaking out. What else is there to talk about?

 

[MotF Bane]

QFT - Congress can screw up more than one thing simultaneously. It is much more efficient than screwing things up one at a time.

Congress: multi-threaded fuck-ups.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

What's there to "fight" BP about? We all agree we'd like to see the problem fixed. We all know BP is concerned about it's bottom line, so it's doing whatever it can to stop the profits from leaking out. What else is there to talk about?

yeah, they have many reasons they want to stop this ASAP.
stupid thread is stupid.

 

[Patranus]

Both are problems that can be solved if the lawmakers in Washington had the political will to solve them.

 

[Zorba]

Just out of curiosity if we shut down BP, liquidate all their assets, lock all their management and above employees in Federal prison for the remainder of their lives exactly how will that mitigate the damage from the accident that happened in the Gulf?

Doing that would sure as hell go a long way in preventing a repeat.

 

[CPA]

The immigration issue is more important. It's obvious to everyone that we have a problem with the Gulf oil spill and that it needs to be addressed. However, we have a much harder fight to convince the public that we need to end illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration.

70% of the American Public support Arizona and a majority want illegals deported. It's not the the public that needs convincing, it's the politicians.

 

[her209]

Oil spill, just a small Obama fuck up...it's his Katrina and fail president is still fail.

Oil spill by a private corporation is the government's fault.

AhAhAHAHAHAHAhahaa

 

[dainthomas]

Man, just when I think you've hit intellectual rock bottom you begin to dig. The two issues have no conflicts, and if we can't do both then we just need to turn the country over to Canada. Neither government nor private industry tracks the number of threads on ATP&N.

Just to be clear, Obama is handling neither illegal immigration nor the BP oil well leak. And I believe he is your guy, not mine.

Oh great, more "He's not my president!" nonsense. I thought we were done with that garbage?

 

[Linflas]

Doing that would sure as hell go a long way in preventing a repeat.

The only thing that would go a long way towards is retarding our access to energy resources.

 

[Patranus]

Oil spill by a private corporation is the government's fault.

AhAhAHAHAHAHAhahaa

Having the government tell people they have to leave but they choose to stay anyways and then the government is slow to get them help is George Bushes fault?

Did George Bushes buddies over at Halliburton bull the levees?

 

[Ldir]

70% of the American Public support Arizona and a majority want illegals deported. It's not the the public that needs convincing, it's the politicians.

Republican owned businesses need convincing. They need cheap labor. The problem would end if they stopped hiring illegals.

 

[her209]

Having the government tell people they have to leave but they choose to stay anyways and then the government is slow to get them help is George Bushes fault?

Did George Bushes buddies over at Halliburton bull the levees?

Oh oh... but Bush!

 

[waggy]

I am 100% sure BP did everything they thought would fix the leak. they are loseing far to much money a day.

but i also think BP was lazy and didn't do everything they could to prevent it from happening. Not to mention they are lieing about how much is leaking out.

Also why can't the Government do both? its not a one of the other deal.

and to the idiots that are blameing obama go jump in the oil spill.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Republican owned businesses need convincing. They need cheap labor. The problem would end if they stopped hiring illegals.

And there is not a Democratic owned business that does not use illegals?
Or a Democratic wealthy household?

The problem is business in general would like to pay the least amount for menial labor as possible and the same goes for household servants.

 

[CycloWizard]

Oil spill by a private corporation is the government's fault.

AhAhAHAHAHAHAhahaa

I explained in another thread how government "safety regulations" may have contributed to this incident. Another one of those posts that was conveniently neglected by a large number of idiots who simply kept saying the same thing over and over and over again... I'm not saying you're one of them, as I don't think you posted in that thread, only that all of the threads touting government as the solution and down with BP! are quickly abandoned when the facts of the case are presented.

 

[Lemon law]

The government cannot really address this oil spill after the fact, all it can do is bring effective regulations back relaxed by GWB&co. And you can bet the GOP will oppose and filibuster any re regulation attempts.

As for illegal immigration, we need an effective national identity cards that prevents illegal aliens from being employed, but neither GWB or Obama will do that.

But as long as the GOP filibusters and slows all attempts to get back to the more effective regulations of the past, the USA will be sitting ducks for every new problem that comes along. The fact is we need to have more effective new regulations to prevent future problems.

But But but, then we would have nothing to argue about and politically distort on P&N.

 

[Danube]

I think the DC crowd sees the leak as another crisis that is an opportunity. The longer the damage goes on the bigger excuse they have for regulating or taking something over. Russia would have had the leak plugged already - like they did 6 times before.

 

[blackangst1]

I explained in another thread how government "safety regulations" may have contributed to this incident. Another one of those posts that was conveniently neglected by a large number of idiots who simply kept saying the same thing over and over and over again... I'm not saying you're one of them, as I don't think you posted in that thread, only that all of the threads touting government as the solution and down with BP! are quickly abandoned when the facts of the case are presented.

But....they arent in American waters....how is American regulations helpful when they dont apply?

 

[Infohawk]

Both are important. There may be more discussion about immigration because it's potentially under our control. The mess in the gulf is not something regulation or laws can clean up.

 

[polarmystery]

I'm more concerned about the damage the oil is causing the environment than the illegal immigration issue. Money be damned.

*shrug*

 

[CycloWizard]

But....they arent in American waters....how is American regulations helpful when they dont apply?

The US claims mineral rights in that area (IIRC, up to 200 miles offshore). I don't know whether or not this is "legal" and would hold up in international court. That said, it seems that the US was regulating this particular platform and making a profit off of the licensed mineral rights. Would the incident have occurred if the platform were not subject to negligent regulation enforcement? I don't know. I do know that the warranty model I proposed in the other thread takes the government out of the sticky business of trying to stick its nose in this business (which is obviously a good way to get a black eye in this case), as well as giving financial incentives for companies to properly maintain their own equipment, all the while shrinking government by taking the "enforcer" out of the equation. Bottom line: if you really want to solve problems of companies being unsafe/potentially causing environmental disasters by neglecting regulations, simply allow companies to warranty safety/environmental protection devices and the problem works itself out very quickly.

 

[palehorse]

The obvious answer to your question is that both can be discussed simultaneously with little problem by those of us with the ability to consider more than one idea at a time.

this.

 

[MrEgo]

I think we should just stop posting in P&N until the oil is cleaned up. No new posts until we all sit around and meditate our way out of this situation, because it is clear that we are halting the cleanup process by posting in the immigration threads here at AnandTech P&N.

 

[piasabird]

My Idea is to close all BP GAS stations until it stops.

Since may not be legal how about a BP Boycott?

 

[nick1985]

How about work on both at the same time?