What is it about Android that makes it more "advanced"?

[TuxDave]

I'm trying to do is refute this argument that Android only sells because it's cheaper, when this is clearly not the case. Sometimes? Definitely. Always? Not a chance.

I didn't say it ONLY sells because it's cheaper. Is that why you're so argumentative? Because if so then you've been barking up the wrong tree.

I said pricing or looks (another term for just non-technical reasons) probably dominate the factors in choosing what phone to buy. Pricing because it's always important. Non-technical reasons because people are stupid. That's it. You probably are too used to reading all these "Android is only for poor people" argument that you're just gathering my statement into that pile. What I'm saying is something different. I'm saying people are stupid and a lot of people don't buy things for super technical reasons.

 

[TuxDave]

iPhone 5= $199
SGS3 =$199

I'm not seeing how Red Storm is wrong in any way about this.

If you're paying $199 for an SGS3, you need to shop smarter. It's advertised for $99 and $79 all around here.

Hell it's going to be even cheaper in a bit.
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2012/1...ii-dropping-to-50-on-dec-16-through-best-buy/

 

[Red Storm]

If you're paying $199 for an SGS3, you need to shop smarter. It's advertised for $99 and $79 all around here.

Hot deals come and go. The S3 is $199 - $299 on Verizon and AT&T. That is the current standard price. Unless you plan on editing your posts every time these sales come and go, we use the standard price for comparisons.

No you didn't say only, but you also didn't say probably, you said "I bet" and yes, it irks me when I keep seeing that line used here every single time an Android product has good sales, and it almost always comes from Android detractors and/or iOS fans. I do think you're an iOS fan, but not an Android detractor.

 

[TuxDave]

Hot deals come and go. The S3 is $199 - $299 on Verizon and AT&T. That is the current standard price. Unless you plan on editing your posts every time these sales come and go, we use the standard price for comparisons.

No you didn't say only, but you also didn't say probably, you said "I bet" and yes, it irks me when I keep seeing that line used here every single time an Android product has good sales, and it almost always comes from Android detractors and/or iOS fans.

I'm not sure why "I bet" = "I know". However I'm confident enough to put a BET on something that I think is probably true. So yes. "probably" People don't bet on things that they know will happen (that would be nice to do). They bet on things that they think will probably happen.

I think the SGS3 days of premium pricing are basically gone. Every week for the last couple of months there was always a flier to sell it at discount rates. Hell if you look at Sprint. Buy one get one free!!! So I would say yeah, if for anyone who gives a damn they wouldn't pay full price for it and wouldn't have to look hard to find it. (Costco has been selling it at a discount for a looooong time now)

 

[rcpratt]

Troll status: success.

 

[Zaap]

If you're paying $199 for an SGS3, you need to shop smarter. It's advertised for $99 and $79 all around here.

Hell it's going to be even cheaper in a bit.
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2012/1...ii-dropping-to-50-on-dec-16-through-best-buy/

All around where? I'm going by what the carriers advertise it for today.

And I don't see how citing a future price drop is relevant to Android sales that have already occurred.

I just checked Best Buy and I can buy an iPhone 5 for $149 w contract, $699 without.
Galaxy S3 is the same: $149 with, $699 without.

 

[TuxDave]

All around where? I'm going by what the carriers advertise it for today.

And I don't see how citing a future price drop is relevant to Android sales that have already occurred.

I just checked Best Buy and I can buy an iPhone 5 for $149 w contract, $699 without.
Galaxy S3 is the same: $149 with, $699 without.

All around the Bay Area? You looking for a deal? I can look through some flyers and send them to you. And if you're not in the Bay Area, this price looks valid still:

http://slickdeals.net/f/5174692-PRI..._term=1&utm_content=u386047&utm_campaign=tu14

So yeah, I wouldn't pay $199 for it.

And Best Buy sells the iP5 for $149 w/ contract? This I didn't know. Which carrier and where are you? Nevermind, found it:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Amer...iPhone-5-Price-Matching-Best-Buy-313965.shtml

Sweet. Looks like it just started today.

 

[sze5003]

Most people are going to switch carriers either way if they want the phone cheap. I don't want to loose unlimited data so either phone for people like me is the same price for a while. Last week sprint was advertising the s3 for 99 bucks I believe. We can only say that in the future prices for android will drop faster than iPhone so I believe it is relevant.

 

[TerryMathews]

We are all well aware that android is much easier to do illegal (and borderline legal) things.

That is a very US-centric view for an OS that is distributed worldwide.

 

[vi edit]

And Best Buy sells the iP5 for $149 w/ contract? This I didn't know. Which carrier and where are you?

It's a reward zone deal I think.
http://slickdeals.net/f/5672070-Bes...-149-99-5000-points-Requires-2-years-contract?

 

[cheezy321]

That is a very US-centric view for an OS that is distributed worldwide.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night bro.

Stealing a movie in the US is no different than stealing a movie in Brazil.

 

[vi edit]

Whatever makes you sleep better at night bro.

Stealing a movie in the US is no different than stealing a movie in Brazil.

I'll sleep fine. Playing ROMS on my phone is a lot more convenient than dusting off the 20+ year old console and box of games I have collecting dust somewhere in my parents basement and draging it along on an airplane with me.

But really, gaming ROMS was just one example of the extra level of control and function you have with Android.

And this is coming from a several year long iOS owner.

 

[sze5003]

Whatever makes you sleep better at night bro.

Stealing a movie in the US is no different than stealing a movie in Brazil.

Pirating in other countries is not such a big deal. Lots of cafes do it, and most people can't afford games in other countries. A game in Brazil could cost 120 bucks compared to 40 or 60 here.

Android on other hand is pretty much open source java. There Is a difference between the two.

 

[TerryMathews]

Whatever makes you sleep better at night bro.

Stealing a movie in the US is no different than stealing a movie in Brazil.

So you refuse to acknowledge that there are places in the world where 25 year old games are not protected by copyright?

 

[grkM3]

can you even make a ringtone on ios without jailbreaking it?

 

[sze5003]

can you even make a ringtone on ios without jailbreaking it?

You can on iTunes. Which I hated plugging in the phone to update stuff

 

[TuxDave]

can you even make a ringtone on ios without jailbreaking it?

I haven't tried but Google tells me yes.

 

[Red Storm]

can you even make a ringtone on ios without jailbreaking it?

You can, but you need iTunes to do it. On Android you can do it from the phone itself.

 

[bigrash]

ios > android.

I'm a fan of both (own an iphone 5 and a Nexus 7), but I prefer ios over android anyday.

 

[sze5003]

It's a preference. Neither is better as they both function as mobile os's. What one may think is better and more convenient may not be a preference of someone else. It's what's better to you not in general.

 

[Dumac]

What 'facts'? Android is also more popular in plenty of wealthier countries.

But it is more popular by a much wider margin in poorer countries. In the US, it is basically tied. But take a look at China, Brazil, Russia, and countries in Africa. In less wealthy nations, the iPhone isn't even a competitor. Why? Due to the ability for Android to hit lower price points.

But then, why was I expecting 'facts' in a thread like this? I always notice a pattern to these types of threads:

Pose false question, "why is Android more advanced?"

Android users: answer questions, give tons of real world examples.

iOS users: Nuh uh. Nuh uh. Nuh uh. Nuh uh. "You're thinking the wrong way" Nuh uh. Nuh uh.

So I'd pose a more relevant question: What is it about iOS that makes it more advanced. How about some actual real world examples.

I'm not even saying there aren't any, I'm sure there are a few. It's just I never see them presented in these types of threads, just a lot of "Nuh uhs" and false assertions about Android.

You are going off the deep end man. What the hell are you babbling about? Are you really so defensive of your platform?

1. Having a wide variety of pricing points, including low-end phones that Apple won't compete, is a PRO not a CON. It is one of the BEST PARTS of Android. The lack of licensing fees and the openness of the platform allows it to take over places like Africa. The smartphone adoption in Kenya is unprecedented, and it is helping spread information across the world.

2. I am an Android user, you nitwit. I have an S3 and have never owned an iPhone.

3. The people that I'm arguing with are the ones not stating facts or numbers.

iPhone 5= $199
SGS3 =$199

I'm not seeing how Red Storm is wrong in any way about this.

The SGS3 is a top of the line Android phone. There are $50 without-a-contract android phones.

sorry Dumac but you are losing this argument fast.

Only to people who plug their ears

Yes, in certain areas like developing nations and in the tablet market, Android does have a price advantage that no doubt plays a part.

See? Why couldn't you just admit that Android phones have a wide ranger of prices, the lower of which dip below the price range for Apple phones. It isn't a bad thing. It is just a fact, and a reason that Android phones are being picked up in developing worlds (which, by the way, are the fastest growing cell phone markets).

For smartphones though, both sides have phones at every price point.

I don't get what you mean. Android = smartphone.

 

[mikegg]

Take a look at OP's posting history before thinking this thread sincere.

Yea, please find posts where I've shown that I'm a fanboy.

I don't use any Apple stuff except the iPhone. I've used a Galaxy Nexus for 7 months. I've used a Nexus 7 for 4 months. How am I even biased?

I've criticized both Apple and Android. What I find funny is that Android users thinks iOS is inferior because it's designed differently.

 

[Red Storm]

Yea, please find posts where I've shown that I'm a fanboy.

I don't use any Apple stuff except the iPhone. I've used a Galaxy Nexus for 7 months. I've used a Nexus 7 for 4 months. How am I even biased?

I've criticized both Apple and Android. What I find funny is that Android users thinks iOS is inferior because it's designed differently.

I think it's inferior because it doesn't let you do a lot of really basic stuff. That doesn't mean it's a bad OS, just not as advanced and not for me.

 

[mikegg]

Doesn't iOS still lack true multitasking? If not, the only thing I can think of is:

1) Inability to use widgets (which is huge, imho)
2) Inability to sideload apps (without jailbreaking)
3) Inability to customize 'experience' by replacing built-in apps
(android can replace keyboard, SMS client, dialer, etc)

If those things are not important to you, then yea they are not too different. You could even make the argument that all of these differences were conscious design decisions by Apple, and you'd probably be right.

1. What widgets do you think you need that the iOS drop down menu can't replace? Email widget? SMS widget? Photo widget? I never installed those on my Galaxy Nexus because I didn't want people to see my emails, texts, and photos just by scrolling on the home page.

2. Not sure what sideload apps means. Coming from Android, I don't notice any difference in opening/closing apps.

3. So it's not as advanced because it doesn't allow you to download a different skin for keyword/sms/dialer? I installed GO keyword when I used my Nexus 7. I hated it. I made far more mistakes typing on Android than I do on the default iOS keyword.

I just don't think saying Android is more advanced is correct. It's different.

 

[openwheel]

But it is more popular by a much wider margin in poorer countries. In the US, it is basically tied. But take a look at China, Brazil, Russia, and countries in Africa. In less wealthy nations, the iPhone isn't even a competitor. Why? Due to the ability for Android to hit lower price points.



You are going off the deep end man. What the hell are you babbling about? Are you really so defensive of your platform?

1. Having a wide variety of pricing points, including low-end phones that Apple won't compete, is a PRO not a CON. It is one of the BEST PARTS of Android. The lack of licensing fees and the openness of the platform allows it to take over places like Africa. The smartphone adoption in Kenya is unprecedented, and it is helping spread information across the world.

2. I am an Android user, you nitwit. I have an S3 and have never owned an iPhone.

3. The people that I'm arguing with are the ones not stating facts or numbers.



The SGS3 is a top of the line Android phone. There are $50 without-a-contract android phones.



Only to people who plug their ears



See? Why couldn't you just admit that Android phones have a wide ranger of prices, the lower of which dip below the price range for Apple phones. It isn't a bad thing. It is just a fact, and a reason that Android phones are being picked up in developing worlds (which, by the way, are the fastest growing cell phone markets).



I don't get what you mean. Android = smartphone.

Your logic is flawed. I don't even know where to begin. First of all, in the US, Android market share is much higher than iOS and trending Android until the next iPhone is released again.